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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 2/25/2019 9:43:35 AM   
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As for CVs, I know the subs took out one CV on their own and helped take out to Brit CVs and they've sent a number of CVs and CVEs to the dry dock. But, in all the confusion I kind of lost track myself. :)

But being this is a US Navy, the most powerful naval force in the world, and would blow your ships clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do you, punk?

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 2/25/2019 12:11:08 PM   
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Get Assista, you get the prize of the day for picking up on obscure movie quotes!!

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 2/28/2019 9:22:56 PM   
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Ok, it's been a few turns and the battle continues to rage. Here on Java, my division could not get to Bativia in strat mode so it wasted six days going into strat mode and then back out again. Hopefully it can not make the dash into the city. Scott's planes got better and the air war was not going well so I've pulled the fighters out of Batavia. They'll be fighting over Palembang soon enough. I will try to bombard the french unit on the coast to prevent it from slipping behind so we'll see what happens.

BTW, any tips on CAP? If it set it too low not many planes fly and it I set it too high and scott takes a couple of turns off my boys are just tired out.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 2/28/2019 9:25:54 PM   
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Well, Brunei was nice but I lost several TKs in a port strike and the oil wells are now all doing their best to contribute to global warming. Scott is moving his carriers into the sea there but there are no targets. He did catch a BB and CVE like sitting ducks but there was very little damage done and I was able to skip away. Still, we're down to Medan and Palembang for liquid carbon!

I did put two torpodos into the BB Washington and maybe my subs can catch it and finish it off!




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 2/28/2019 9:28:08 PM   
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In Burma I'm basically blocking the roads. He put a chindit Brigade into Lashio and another across the river north of Rangoon but both of those got kicked out. My armor at Tuang Gyi (sp?) keeps catching his brigade and then getting hammered by air but it's preventing Scott from pushing on. I have a division in Rangoon and two in Moulmein as reserves and another one heading up. The jungle is a real shelter from being obliterated by his air power!




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 2/28/2019 9:31:23 PM   
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It's sad that the front lines at at Palembang and Singapore in March 44 but the Central Pacific has been left alone and he's not pressing north yet. I'm sucking as much out of Palembang and Medan as I can. I did not mine Singapore and, so, Scott put british subs in there who put two torpedos into the Kaga (this is the third time in this war that subs have hit Kaga, it's name must mean "shoot here!". Scott also sent a DD TF right into Singpore. He sank several 2 point TKs and some escorts but a CA TF from Palembang caught them and put at least two of the DDs under (they were 10 VP boys) so that was pretty much a wash. Trying to load up AOs and TKs to sneak them up the Vietnam coast.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 2/28/2019 9:33:29 PM   
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Last but not least, here is how production is looking in Mid-march 1944. I figure that right now I have oil/fuel to make it for about a year and HI for a little more than a year. The more I can get out of Palembang, the better. At least Batavia is still producing. :)

I have no idea if my production is good or bad but, I do still have a 2-1 edge in VP so Scott has a big wall to climb.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/4/2019 9:55:50 PM   
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Here's the latest. In Burma, I basically have 4 blocking positions indicated on the map. Scott bombs the bejesus out of one of these but it does not do too much damage to the target. I'm happy to hold this for as long as I can. But, on the mainland there are now a few areas of yellow supply shortfalls showing up.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/4/2019 9:58:33 PM   
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On the Singapore/Palembang front, every turn TKs load as fast as possible. I'm delivering 50K oil to the HI this turn and an convoy of 100K fuel is just about at Saigon heading for the HI. More TKs and AOs are at Palembang loading up and the convoy run to Medan brings in 12K oil a week. The KB is now based at Singapore. I've knocked out at least one sub by my ASW does not catch him very often. I figure the KB will hang out there as long as possible. I'm also trying to keep it in port to conserve fuel.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/4/2019 10:03:20 PM   
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On Java my division has displeased the Emperor (and we all know what that means). First, it messed up the strat movement rules and spend 6 days getting on and off trains while allied troops sat and watched, then, it inched its way out of the hex heading to Batavia only to be attacked on the last day it was in the hex. The Allies had bombed it with SBDs and it retreated in a deliberate assault. My troops in Burma wish that they were only bombed by SBDs! True the allies had 3-1 superiority but the terrain in that hex was pretty darn good!

So, now the question is can it get back to Batavia.

This turn I am trying to catch his SBDs. The P-47s are sweeping but maybe the Franks can hold them off and my boys can bag some of the Dive bombers.

In other news Scott took Tarakan and he is about to take Balikpapan. They're not worth much but it does solidify his control.

Note to self, I need to run another supply convoy into Manila.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/4/2019 10:10:39 PM   
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The importance of Balikpappen and Tarakan are not their possession but rather the ability to produce and remove the oil/fuel to where it is needed. Balikpappen can also be built into a nice airbase.

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/5/2019 12:14:29 AM   
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RangerJoe,

Good point! Their importance ended a long time ago when Scott bombed them flat. The only functioning oil wells left are on Sumatra (not counting small ones on the HI and in Manchuria).

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/5/2019 1:58:00 PM   
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That division was obviously on garrison duty too long in Java and got soft.

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/5/2019 7:52:34 PM   
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Well, they're not leaving Java in the near or distant future so they better get with the program!

In the latest news, my CAP trap did not work as Scott did not fly over Java. Sad. He did start fighter sweeps over Palembang and the loss ratio was about 2-1. I can't keep that up forever so the writing is one the wall for my oil fields and soon. Enough fighters will pave the way for the bombers. Anyone have good tricks for keeping fighters going without wearing them out?

In good news, a RO boat put two torpedoes into an CVE (actually three hit but one was a dud). No sinking sounds. My unterseeboat guys are awfully good at putting shots into his carrier force but they don't seem to be able to finish the job. Still, that CVE will be out of action for a long time.

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/6/2019 6:37:24 AM   
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Anyone have good tricks for keeping fighters going without wearing them out?

More fighter groups taking turns + layered CAP especially against stratosweeps

Take a look at obvert's post here http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4460116&mpage=22

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/7/2019 8:53:17 PM   
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Get Assista,

Thanks! I've got the layered CAP and basically all of my non-training squadrons are in the Singapore/Palembang area (the Burma boys are taking one for the team) so that I can rotate the squadrons through. The results the next day were not great, but, at least they were at less than a 2-1 margin (which I view as a Japanese victory). Also, since it's over a Japanese base with no allied troops it should take out some of his pilots.

The next day I took a chance and stood everyone down. Scott did not fly which indicates to me his boys needed a break as well. He did lose a lot of Corsairs.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/7/2019 8:58:16 PM   
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Three points of interest in this picture.

1. Near Palembang there was a naval battle as Scott tried some sea interdiction of the oil lanes. I lost one DD. I know he lost one as well and he may have lost two more. There was no sign of the two reported to have heavy damage and on fire the next day. I'm glad that Scott is not sending CL/CAs with these.

2. Off near Brunei one of Scott's subs put two torpedoes into a CVE. It did not go down and may even make it back to port! The KB is out there because there was a large DD flotilla roaming around and I had 100,000 fuel in a convoy that needed protecting. I think Scott ran away so that fuel has a good chance of getting through.

3. Most interesting, Scott landed at Pontinak. That in and of itself is basically irrelevant except for the fact that it has triggered Kamikazes for me. I now have to ponder deep and hard if I want to switch to Kamikazes. If I do so now while my CV force is intact, it could overwhelm him in a crucial batter. But, I've never seen them be particularly effective. Any advice?




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/7/2019 8:59:16 PM   
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Here a little eye candy from the surface action. :) Nice to beat Arleigh Burke when he crossed by "T"!




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/8/2019 12:25:21 AM   
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If you can get long range kamikazes on his convoys to the rear where there is little to no CAP, that could be a surprise. Fly the planes into a base with a narrow naval search arc and let them go.

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/8/2019 1:09:54 PM   
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That is an interesting idea! I'm going to have to change some squadrons over and start the low Nav training.

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/9/2019 10:31:15 PM   
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Two more turns have come and gone. Nothing to really report in Burma except that there one hole in the line is where I've put the circle. If Scott moves in there he would cut off the division to the north. So, a RTA division is going to try to move into there and hope that it does not get pulverized in the clear terrain. :)




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/9/2019 10:39:36 PM   
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The real action continues to be in Java/Palembang. Last turn there was another surface fight as Scott ran a DD TF up near Singapore. It actually ran into a CVE TF of mine on its way to Batavia which had the Musashi and two other BBs in it. The DDs were damaged and, at dawn, Betties from Singapore sank two with torpedoes. From a naval point of view, I think it's tough for Scott to move north of the line as long as I have carriers because then he faces land based air and naval aviation. He can crack that nut sooner or later but it is letting me get last minute oil and fuel out of Palembang.

This turn the Hiryu was in sub's sites and the torpedo was a dud. Talk about heart stopping! Two of his subs took major damage.

Scott launched a deliberate assault on Batavia got a 2-1 and knocked the fort level down to 3. My only hope is to get the division in there in time but it's going to be bombed the whole way. At least it's now on a major road. So, the plan is to subject Batavia to 4 different bombardment missions, three with a BB and one with a CA. THen, smack it with a strike from the KB. Perhaps if I can disrupt his troops enough they won't be able to take Batavia until the division arrives. If not, well, I'll let someone else tell the emperor. :)

I did get another convoy out with 99K fuel that is now up near Taiwan and should be able to make it home. Next up an oil convoy.

I set up the low level layered CAP but there has not been any more sweeps from Scott yet. He's probably waiting so that he can use his P-47s. We'll see if the low level layered CAP works. I just wonder if it's too low to get his heavies when then head in to flatten the oil wells.

I've converted two squadrons to Kamikaze because why not. But, I don't need them yet so I'll give them time to train.






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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/10/2019 11:29:35 PM   
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On to March 25th. It was a pretty good turn for the Empire of Japan (if we ignore Java). The allies have lost at least 4 subs in the past 48 hours and that's always a good thing. The new Es with the 6 depth charge racks are very nice and I got a lucky shot from a sub that put two torpedoes into one of his subs (no report of sinking, but that can't be good). I also sank his damaged DD that had holed up in Pontianak.

Another fuel convoy is leaving Singapore (where I now gather fuel and oil to send it along). This one will have about 80K fuel and there should be a similar sized oil convoy soon. I don't know how long Palembang will be open so every drop back to the HI is precious.

As for Java, heavy sigh, after I screwed up, errr, after my aide screwed up, the deployment of the division the loss of Batavia was foreordained. I'm now using every transport I can get my hands on to get as many squads out as possible. I should have 3-4 more turns of pulling troops out.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/10/2019 11:30:43 PM   
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Here is a small bright spot. I was able to shock attack this Indian regiment for a second day and this time it retreated with some nice casualties. A rare land victory for Japan in 1944.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/10/2019 11:33:20 PM   
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And, the victory really improved my overall defense of Burma. This armor division now sits on the northern road into Thailand. It had been open to British incursion before this and now my division can retreat down that road and hold him off for a long time on that route.

Otherwise, lots of allied bombing which does not seem to have too much effect.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/11/2019 1:27:12 AM   
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Get Assista, your CAP plan was mentioned to the Emperor Himself and, when he saw the results from today's fighter sweeps it's rumored (and don't let this go to your head) that he laughed quietly to himself and had his secretary note your name in his private diary. Obvert, who came up with this scheme, gets an honorable mention.

Here's the happy totals. P-38Js lead in losses followed by Corsairs! In fact, based on these figures Scott lost more planes than me. Even factoring in FOW this is very nice. Heck, he even lost 11 of the new P-47s! You also have to figure that he lost lots of pilots given that this was over my base and a number of hexes from home. He'll wear me down but let's hope this gives pause to his bombing of Palembang.

My squadrons had a number of damaged planes but most have morale up in the 90s with law fatigue and the Jacks, who were hit hardest, have morale at 85. I"ve rotated in some fresh squadrons of Georges and some Zeros for the low altitude band.




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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/11/2019 1:30:18 AM   
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Scott also lost two more subs today. He's got to get those vessels out of shallow water. Shallow water is basically death for subs as far as I'm concerned. They can't go deep to get away.

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/11/2019 8:40:57 AM   
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I guess for him the Silent Service stands for we send them out and never hear from them again.

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/11/2019 9:13:19 AM   
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Get Assista, your CAP plan was mentioned to the Emperor Himself and, when he saw the results from today's fighter sweeps it's rumored (and don't let this go to your head) that he laughed quietly to himself and had his secretary note your name in his private diary. Obvert, who came up with this scheme, gets an honorable mention.

Here's the happy totals. P-38Js lead in losses followed by Corsairs! In fact, based on these figures Scott lost more planes than me. Even factoring in FOW this is very nice. Heck, he even lost 11 of the new P-47s! You also have to figure that he lost lots of pilots given that this was over my base and a number of hexes from home. He'll wear me down but let's hope this gives pause to his bombing of Palembang.

My squadrons had a number of damaged planes but most have morale up in the 90s with law fatigue and the Jacks, who were hit hardest, have morale at 85. I"ve rotated in some fresh squadrons of Georges and some Zeros for the low altitude band.



Here is a more comprehensive thread on the tests I ran to work out some details of the idea developed by Lowpe and influenced by some of Alfred's input. It's been highly successful, and some of the best high altitude planes suffer the most flying into a low CAP.

Your results are good. As he adapts you'll have to tweak them, use specific models on specific altitude bands and occasionally pop up high as well to keep him honest. I've found recently though that the low CAP layering still does work against lower sweeps, it's just not as devastating.

low CAP vs high sweep

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RE: Quisling! An AFB does Japan (No PanzerKat) - 3/11/2019 12:22:31 PM   
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Obvert. Thanks! I've had to make guessimates to fill in plane types from your original models. I wonder if one allied counter is heavy bombers at 20K to hit the airfield coupled with layered sweeps. If I don't go high he hits the airfields and puts them out of commission.

Bif that was pretty funny. Wrong, but still pretty funny! :)

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