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LCU Symbol clarification - 3/19/2019 6:48:25 PM

Aawulf

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Have long used the "13" symbol for para capable units. Just read that there are "17" and "19" symbols that I never saw before. In one thread, "19" enables unit to be a commando unit capable of combat unloads from transport subs. In another thread, the author explain that "13" is for "commandos" and "19" is for "paras". In game, units with "13" are paratroopers and those with "19" are commandos but nothing describing the difference. In total, I'm only aware of 4 such symbols, "12", "13", "17" and "19". Have no clue for what purpose "17" is used and am not confident that I know the similarities and differences among the others. I do know "13" does allow units to be para capable.

Anyone have a more in depth understanding of the "sym" data field and what options are available to it's use?

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RE: LCU Symbol clarification - 3/20/2019 11:04:22 AM

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My guess is, that those are logical bits (1 2 4 8 16).

So, for 12, it will be 8+4 = 3rd, and 4th bit
For 13 you will get 8+4+1 = same as for 12, plus 1st bit (probably para capable, unless 12 also have this ability)
17 is 16+1, so it have one capability from 13, which is not present for 12 (1st bit), and some unspecified capability from 5th bit (16, probably assault from submarine)
19 is 16+2+1, so the same as 17, plus 2nd bit

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RE: LCU Symbol clarification - 3/20/2019 1:16:29 PM

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The "symbol" field in the editor only works for infantry type units and AFAIK the only values used are 12 for cavalry symbol, 13 for the para symbol and para ability (air droppable) and 19 for raider ability (i.e. loading on subs in combat mode).

The 19 value shows up as para symbol by default, but if you add an icon at the bottom of the "button_6" files, the game will use this icon.

Never heard or read of a "17" symbol - reference please?

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RE: LCU Symbol clarification - 3/21/2019 3:40:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

The "symbol" field in the editor only works for infantry type units and AFAIK the only values used are 12 for cavalry symbol, 13 for the para symbol and para ability (air droppable) and 19 for raider ability (i.e. loading on subs in combat mode).

The 19 value shows up as para symbol by default, but if you add an icon at the bottom of the "button_6" files, the game will use this icon.

Never heard or read of a "17" symbol - reference please?

From SCEN 001 (both Allied LCUs)
5949 2/1 NAOU Det.
6052 2nd Recce

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RE: LCU Symbol clarification - 3/21/2019 3:53:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: inqistor

My guess is, that those are logical bits (1 2 4 8 16).

So, for 12, it will be 8+4 = 3rd, and 4th bit
For 13 you will get 8+4+1 = same as for 12, plus 1st bit (probably para capable, unless 12 also have this ability)
17 is 16+1, so it have one capability from 13, which is not present for 12 (1st bit), and some unspecified capability from 5th bit (16, probably assault from submarine)
19 is 16+2+1, so the same as 17, plus 2nd bit

When I pulled it from hex addresses for the original Pac War and later for WitP, I'm pretty sure it was a 256 limited integer field. "12" and "13" were "00 0c" and "00 0d" respectively.

The following VBA code is what I used for WitP to extract the data for "sym" to Excel:
' Get _sym
CellY = 31
Counter = 88001 + (LocNum - 1) * 2
Get #1, Counter, VarData1
Get #1, Counter + 1, VarData2
curVal = CCur(VarData1) + CCur(VarData2) * CCur(256)
Worksheets("Allied LCUs").Cells(CellX, CellY).Value = curVal

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RE: LCU Symbol clarification - 3/26/2019 10:39:18 AM

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I don't know why, but Byte data type is never used in programming. They were declared as int, but I bet they still use only few bits.

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RE: LCU Symbol clarification - 3/26/2019 4:59:08 PM

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I have made a test with three infantry units and three tank units, one each with symbol 12, 13 and 17.

12 turned the tank unit symbol into a cavalry symbol but had no effect on infantry units, 13 turned the infantry symbol into a para symbol but had no effect on tank units, 17 had no effect whatsoever.

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Symbol 17 is used! - 3/27/2019 5:13:46 AM

el cid again

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It is associated with CMF cavalry. No idea why.

However, it may be associated with dragoons. The unit I found is listed as having mounted infantry,
which are, technically, not cavalry, but dragoons. See LCU slot 2727.

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