Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: AFV

It comes down to money. Chris I think you and I were born 25 years too soon to have the AI opponent we want.
There are generic type AIs, like Alpha Zero, that basically learn by playing a game hundreds of thousands of times (in a short time span). I am sure it could be adapted for Wite, but why would they? I think that is the same one used for DOTA, a game you would never think AI could beat the best humans, but it has.
But for an incremental improvement in the AI, like a poster above said, a really good AI would cost as much as the core game. How many copies would sell at $200 a pop? It does suck, but it is what it is.

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ORIGINAL: AFV

It comes down to money. Chris I think you and I were born 25 years too soon to have the AI opponent we want.
There are generic type AIs, like Alpha Zero, that basically learn by playing a game hundreds of thousands of times (in a short time span). I am sure it could be adapted for Wite, but why would they? I think that is the same one used for DOTA, a game you would never think AI could beat the best humans, but it has.
But for an incremental improvement in the AI, like a poster above said, a really good AI would cost as much as the core game. How many copies would sell at $200 a pop? It does suck, but it is what it is.

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Considering the absorbing nature of wite, I thinka good number of us would pay 200 bucks for a good ai. I would with no doubt

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ORIGINAL: AFV

Sorry- ST summed it up well. Defense of the Ancients, a 5 vs 5 game based off a Warcraft mod.

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ORIGINAL: No idea


Considering the absorbing nature of wite, I thinka good number of us would pay 200 bucks for a good ai. I would with no doubt

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ORIGINAL: Chris21wen

When I first got into computers I did so because finding a board game opponent was as rare as rocking horse defecation. I read an article, think it was old S&T mag, in the early 80 about computer gaming and thought that looks like what I need so bought myself an Apple ][e complete with a few 5¼ floppy discs. This is it I thought the future in gaming.

Two games from the mid 80, Gary Grigsby’s Kampfgruppe and War in Russia spring to mind immediately. Both classics and considering the size of the computer memory then (128K in the 2e) the AI played reasonably, they had too as there was no email or internet. Yes there was such a time. Not all computer game were good then some real dogs where the AI was almost no existent.

As memory got bigger games got more complicated costing considerable more to develop. Games became prettier (seems to be the main criteria for a successful game these days), certainly play well against another human player, most lack fatal errors that made some games unplayable and they are all definite more stable. What they do lack is anything resembling an even poor AI certainly nothing that matches an old game’s AI, but I’ve got a very leaky memory or should I say selective memory according to my wife.

When are designers, programmers et al going to remember all those people who do not want to play another human but the AI. Spend some money on developing a decent AI please and not those scripted ones, but something that can make a decision based on the tactical situation.

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ORIGINAL: Iamstrategygame

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ORIGINAL: Chris21wen

When I first got into computers I did so because finding a board game opponent was as rare as rocking horse defecation. I read an article, think it was old S&T mag, in the early 80 about computer gaming and thought that looks like what I need so bought myself an Apple ][e complete with a few 5¼ floppy discs. This is it I thought the future in gaming.

Two games from the mid 80, Gary Grigsby’s Kampfgruppe and War in Russia spring to mind immediately. Both classics and considering the size of the computer memory then (128K in the 2e) the AI played reasonably, they had too as there was no email or internet. Yes there was such a time. Not all computer game were good then some real dogs where the AI was almost no existent.

As memory got bigger games got more complicated costing considerable more to develop. Games became prettier (seems to be the main criteria for a successful game these days), certainly play well against another human player, most lack fatal errors that made some games unplayable and they are all definite more stable. What they do lack is anything resembling an even poor AI certainly nothing that matches an old game’s AI, but I’ve got a very leaky memory or should I say selective memory according to my wife.

When are designers, programmers et al going to remember all those people who do not want to play another human but the AI. Spend some money on developing a decent AI please and not those scripted ones, but something that can make a decision based on the tactical situation.

I disagree. I will never touch a game that is not visually appealing. And making the Ai tough against human is easy. Let them have more unit. If you are finding the game too easy on very hard then try the impossible difficulty. If that is still too easy, then put on some self restrictions, such as not doing anything for the first 5 turns. And try survive then. So many ways you can make the game tough for yourself. STOP COMPLAINING SPOILED KID!