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Ohka's not appearing - 3/21/2019 6:00:26 PM   
s2tanker


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Status: offline 		Been playing a long-running PBEM game. It's 2 JAN 1945. Ohka missiles still showing up as grayed-out on the Betty e models. What am I missing? We're playing with the .24 version.

I load the Downfall scenario and the Betty e variant is loaded with Ohka missiles.
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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/21/2019 6:32:30 PM   
GetAssista

 

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Status: offline 		What specific scenario are you playing? In stock 1/2 device 197 (MXY7 Ohka 11) is available for G4M2e Betty since Jan-45. You can check your own Okha availability in the scenario editor by loading up that scenario and finding it on the Devices tab

Also try flying Betties to lev 10 airfield and see if anything changes. Although I doubt that greyness is because of insufficient base conditions.

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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/21/2019 7:31:27 PM   
BillBrown


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Status: offline 		Date wise they are available, but there is no factory setup to produce them.

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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/21/2019 7:50:22 PM   
GetAssista

 

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ORIGINAL: BillBrown

Date wise they are available, but there is no factory setup to produce them.

Yes, probably the case of a older databese. OP, look here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3254031&mpage=1&key=okha�

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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/23/2019 4:26:28 AM   
s2tanker


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Status: offline 		Paying the full December 7 Scenario. Been playing for more than a year. Not seeing the Ohka's at this point is not good at all -- especially when I thought they would be treated as expendable ordnance. It is seen on the devices tab set for January 1945. Here's the screen from the start of the December 7 campaign scenario. Clearly, this should not appear in a factory as it is a device, not an aircraft or an engine.

Looking at the Downfall scenario, I see the Betty e variant loaded with the Ohka missiles and no Ohka missile factory, as was suggested on a parallel thread from a few years ago.




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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/23/2019 6:18:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the Downfall scenario, if you go to the Industry/Troops/Resource Pool screen it shows MXY7 Ohka 11 as a Missile device available from 1/45 with a build rate of 36/month.
This device doesn’t appear in the Scenario 1 list.
I just checked the database file in the editor: the toggle for “can build” says no, and the build rate = 0.
I couldn’t edit the scenario 1 database as it is protected so saved it in a new slot #, changed Ohka from “can build - no” to yes and entered build rate of 36.
Restart a game with the revised scenario # and they are there. Not sure how you can get them activated mid-game though...


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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/23/2019 1:20:56 PM   
s2tanker


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Status: offline 		Thank you for the information. Not what I was hoping to hear after putting more than a year into this PBEM game, going from December 7, 1941 to January 2, 1945 and gearing my aircraft factories to turn out more than 100 Betty e variants per month.

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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/23/2019 1:41:54 PM   
jdsrae


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Status: offline 		Understood, someone with more knowledge on the tech side of the database might know better than me, but at best you’d have only ever had 36 Ohka per month. That would enable once a month a 36 plane Betty E unit to use them in anger.
They look more novelty factor than game changer, so as long as you’ve also built some of the specialist kamikazes like the Kikka they’ll give you better bang for your buck.

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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/23/2019 2:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, a known oops. But as pointed out, even if fixed, it isn't going to be anything more than 'window dressing' as you get so few. Tsurugi, kikka and a host of others are far better options as you can control the build rate,
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In your own saved scenario, change the 'buildable' flag to yes. Then you can build all you want, as long as you have the ARM pts to spend.

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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/23/2019 8:28:24 PM   
Kull


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Status: offline 		For those looking to start a new campaign, it's worth noting that the improved Scenario 1 released in 2016 (Scen 100) includes a fix for this problem. Interestingly, the MXY7 Ohka 11 (Device 197) becomes available in October 1944 and the build rate is 90. The downside is that production now has a March 1945 end date.

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RE: Ohka's not appearing - 3/24/2019 4:54:53 PM   
kbullard

 

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Status: offline 		Just (re)discovered that we started a PBEM many, many years ago with the old Scenario 1 database, so Okha "Can Build" = No, and "Build Rate" = zero. (For both the Ohka 11 and 22.) It's now late October 1944. Since I'm playing Japan, is there anybody that could still modify our data file to add the Okha device?

A quick Wikipedia read suggests the impact was negligible: "Postwar analysis concluded that the Ohka's impact was negligible, since no U.S. Navy capital ships had been hit during the attacks because of the effective defensive tactics that were employed." I would still like to force the Allies to respect it, though.

Kurt

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