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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 3:07:27 PM   
Mayhemizer_slith


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 3:14:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nov/Dec 1939
Impulse: 13 (Axis)

Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement:
Germany

A MTN moves to Milan

Land Movement:
Germany

The Germans belatedly take Rotterdam and a Corps vacates Copenhagen and heads north.

Italy

The Italians take Tunis

Debark:
Germany

Reinforcements arrive in Copenhagen.

Air Rebase:
Germany

A Ju-88 moves west of Bremen


End of Turn: The turn ends on less than an 8 (a 2 is thrown)

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 3:29:16 PM   
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End of Turn orders (Axis):

Neutrality Pact:
The Germans will two defensive markers please

Production Planning:
Germany

2 x Oil from Romania (both saved in Berlin)
2 x Oil from USSR (both saved in Berlin)
2 x Oil from Austria and Germany (one to production the other lost to SB)

14 Build Points

Italy

1 x Oil from Romania (saved in Milan)

2 Build Points

Japan

2 x Oil from NEI (saved in Tokyo)
2 x Oil from USA (to production)

10 Build Points

Stay At Sea: Convoys stay at sea unless otherwise indicated
Germany

4 ships in the Baltic 4-box to stay at sea.

Return to Base:
Germany

The German ships on the Baltic 0-box return to Stettin.

Italy

All German subs and NAV to La Spezia

Oil Reorganisation:
Japan

Only Yamamoto 0.4 (0 oil expended)

Germany

All units except AMPH, He-115C, Nurnberg, Leipzig and 1 CONV for 2.4 (2 oil expended)

Italy

All units except 1 x SUB (3-strength), Trento, Bolzano, Gorizia and Pola for 1.4 (1 Oil expended)

Breakdown: None

Production:
Germany

2 x PIL
1 x NAV
1 x FTR
2 x MIL

Italy

1 x SUB (2nd Cycle)
1 x Saved Build Point (Milan)

Japan

1 x MECH
Zuikaku
1 x SUB (1st Cycle)
Junyo (1st Cycle)

Reinforcement:
Germany

At this stage scrap 2 x Ju-86
Don't replace ship

Stettin: Naval Units

New Trade Agreement:
Germany

3 Resources to Italy - 1 oil)


Memo Item:
Oil situation: Germany 5 (5 x Berlin), Italy 2 (2 x Milan) and Japan 7 (4 x Tokyo, 1 x Yokohama, 1 x Kyoto and 1 x Nagoya)


Re-Roll and will go first if I get the opportunity to choose


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 5:24:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm currently browsing thru the latest ADG rules set (not MWIF's note, I've been furiously following the AAR's here as I ponder whether to get the game), and had just read the rules for strat bombing last night-as I then came across this thread.

Their rules say that the defender gets to reposition its cap first, before the bombing runs are announced. It also presumes interceptions can only happen on the target (thus the bombers can bypass any interceptors to attack a target beyond the interceptors' range). My question is how you can "bypass" the rules in the way that you two mention, given that they've been presumably hard-coded. And if MWIF indeed runs strat bombing in the above way.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 6:22:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elessar2

I'm currently browsing thru the latest ADG rules set (not MWIF's note, I've been furiously following the AAR's here as I ponder whether to get the game), and had just read the rules for strat bombing last night-as I then came across this thread.

Their rules say that the defender gets to reposition its cap first, before the bombing runs are announced. It also presumes interceptions can only happen on the target (thus the bombers can bypass any interceptors to attack a target beyond the interceptors' range). My question is how you can "bypass" the rules in the way that you two mention, given that they've been presumably hard-coded. And if MWIF indeed runs strat bombing in the above way.


1) CAP. In our games we can also first use CAP. For example if defender feels they attack some key hex that is too far to intercept, but can be covered flying full range. Then defender can call CAP and send their plane to that hex before attacker tells where they are going. In all out games I think we have used that once, during ground support phase in Middle East after paradrop (knowing they will support that attack).

2) Normally when optional rule "en-route interception" is in use and bombers are intercepted on their way to target, they have air to air combat, and continue their way. But as that rule is not coded yet, we force attacker to change target to some other factory in interceptor's range.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 7:20:32 PM   
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Garrison was tested in China and Burma.

USSR marker to offense.

US marker to Ge/It pool.

US Intern French CV, no tension.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 9:00:53 PM   
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Prelim production
China 6 BPs
CW 9 BPs
France 12 BPs
US 11 BPs
USSR 8 BPs


Stay at sea and RTB
North Sea fleet to Plymouth
West Med all ships stay at sea
East Med all ships return to base
The Queens to Australia, all other TRS to UK

US TRS with 2 divisions to Pago Pago


Oil use
USSR 3 planes for 0,6 oil
CW all but 2 cruisers for 5,45 oil
France all for 1,05 oil
US all for free

Germany: I reorg 1 CP too, 2,45 is same as 2,4 = 2 oil points
For same reason I reorg one cruiser more for Italy and Japan


Production

China 6
GAR
INF
CAV div

CW
2x GAR
2x CVP-1
CP
Pilot

France 12
MECH
INF
MIL

US 11
AMPH (1st)
TRS (1st)
TERR
CV Saratoga (repair)
Sub (2nd)
CP

USSR 8
2x GAR
Pilot
Ski div


Axis get one Dutch ship. Warspite1 is offline, so I gove it to Italian construction pool (it's fast, but 3 range).

Netherlands new home country is UK.

Allies support attacked Belgium and get one US entry marker (1 rolled).


Reinforcements

CW
Brussles MIL west of city
LND3 to London
INF to Hull

France
2x MIL
FTR2 and FTR3 to Lyons

USSR
GAR to Chisinau

USSR removes pilots from 2 bombers in Baku.


Axis win initiative and go first.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/6/2019 10:00:04 PM   
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Impulse: 1 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Port Attack: None
Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Germany

A small task force puts to sea escorting a TRS that loads up with a MIL and moves to the Baltic 0-box

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike: None

Rail Movement:
Germany

A MIL heads for Konigsberg

Land Movement:
Italy

The Italians make some adjustments on the Franco-Italian border.

Germany

The Germans move units along the Western Front and northwest of Copenhagen.

Japan

The Japanese push into southern China

Debark:
Germany

The MIL from the Baltic is landed in Copenhagen

Land Combat: None

Air Rebase:
Germany

A Fighter moves to Magdeburg and a second to Cologne.
Two bombers are moved onto the Western Front.

Italy

A fighter moves northwest of Genoa

HQ Reorganisation: None




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/7/2019 7:11:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Elessar2

I'm currently browsing thru the latest ADG rules set (not MWIF's note, I've been furiously following the AAR's here as I ponder whether to get the game), and had just read the rules for strat bombing last night-as I then came across this thread.

Their rules say that the defender gets to reposition its cap first, before the bombing runs are announced. It also presumes interceptions can only happen on the target (thus the bombers can bypass any interceptors to attack a target beyond the interceptors' range). My question is how you can "bypass" the rules in the way that you two mention, given that they've been presumably hard-coded. And if MWIF indeed runs strat bombing in the above way.
warspite1

Hi Elessar2. To clarify a couple of things:

1. We don't use CAP - or at least I thought we didn't until I saw Mayhemizer's post above . Interestingly I've never really questioned this before. I saw the CAP option was available (I think in the Folly AAR) and asked how to turn it off, thinking it was an optional rule. After reading your post I was curious as to how it even worked - and can see its not an optional rule. However I have never used it and it strikes me as something to be used sparingly as one could use up aircraft on potential threats that never materialise.

Personally I'm stuck in 5th Edition mode - where I can't recall CAP being in the rules. I suspect I will never use it but that is just personal preference.

2. Back to Strat Bombing and the House Rule. There is nothing we can do to get around the hard coding. The house rule was a way of dealing with the fact that en route interception is not available as an option.

3. On reflection that house rule - while having good reasons for being employed - is in my view - too much of a ball-ache to implement for any value to be gained. As a result, although it is probably a detriment to the Axis, I am pleased to say Mayhemizer has agreed we can discard it.


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 4:36:59 PM   
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No DoW

China land, France and CW naval, others combined.

CW naval move

The Queens to Bay of Bengal box 0 loaded with Sydney MIL
CP to West Coast
Escorts to seas
Fleet to North Sea box 3
2x TRS loaded with INF and MIL to North Sea box 3
Sub to Italian Coast
2x CA to Baltic Sea box 4
TRS from UK towards Canada

France naval move
CA to Baltic Sea box 4
Escorts to seas
Sub to Italian Coast box 4
CP to West Med
CP to BoB
4x BB to West Med box 3 joining the fleet

US naval move
CP to Hawaiian Islands


Allies initiate combat in both possible sea areas.





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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 4:40:15 PM   
Mayhemizer_slith


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Status: offline 		Italian Coast: Allied 9, Axis 3. No combat.

No planes for Allies on Baltic Sea.

Germany can send some planes. Any planes to North Sea?




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 5:21:24 PM   
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 5:34:48 PM   
Mayhemizer_slith


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Status: offline 		Allied 4, Axis 6. Allies choose only box 0.

Allies has 6 surprise points.

4 points are used to reduse own damage to A.
2 points are used to increase Axis damage to 2D 3A.

Germany can place all their damage.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 5:44:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damage to Schlesien and Emden

Aborted to Transport, Deutschland and CONV
Double up if not aborted before CONV takes a hit.

Thank-you.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 5:53:39 PM   
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 5:56:13 PM   
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Allies stay (A to roll for Allies).

Will Axis stay? Will they send any planes?




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 5:57:30 PM   
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:14:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it OK to place A on damaged CL? BB was saved D roll.

Sorry - what does this mean?

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:16:14 PM   
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BB rolled 8 for D and got aborted.

CL rolled 3 for D and got damaged. I placed first A to CL.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:17:19 PM   
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quote:

BB was saved D roll.


Bad typing

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:23:43 PM   
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:25:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

The Axis stay.

No planes?

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:25:56 PM   
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:28:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Allied 1, Axis 3. Thanks to snow Axis don't find. All 6 points are used to increase damage.

Allies attack on convoys and sink 2 of them and abort the last one. I send CP to Stettin (and all other abort too).

Allies stay, how about Axis?


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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:34:01 PM   
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:40:44 PM   
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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 6:52:03 PM   
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Rail move
USSR GAR to Persian oil field in south.


Land move
Chinese adjust their line.


Rebase
CW LND from UK to Denmark.
New French fighters in Lyons few hexes south so that they cover entire Italian front.
USSR bomber to Sevastopol.

New weather is even worse in north.




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 7:25:17 PM   
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Impulse: 7 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
German: Naval
Italy: Naval

Naval Air: None

Naval Movement:
Italy

A sub heads for the CSV

Germany

A fleet heads for the Baltic 0-box and another for the 4-box

Naval Search:
Germany

The Germans decline combat in the Baltic

Italy

The Italian sub tries to find the Allied convoys

The throws are: Axis (0)1 Allies 8

The sub chooses the 0-box (10 surprise points)




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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/8/2019 7:37:46 PM   
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SEE POST 303 FOR COMBAT.

FUDGE!

Sorry I said no to Allied interception in the Baltic on the basis I'm stopping there - but of course I am not going to throw so you needed the option....

Do the French/CW cruisers want to intercept a battleship and 2 cruisers heading for the 4-box?

I can't see Mayhemizer on line but I can't call which way he would want to play this so will leave for now.

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RE: Minor Conflict: Warspite1 vs Mayhemizer AAR - 4/9/2019 3:15:44 AM   
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No intercept on Baltic Sea, Getman ships can’t sail anywhere else but a port. If there are CPs on Baltic Sea, Allies will initiate combat.

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