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WW2?? - 5/4/2019 11:13:14 AM

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Is it possible to do a WW2 mod? Or are certain things unmoddable?

Personally can't see any specific engine issues that would hamper game simulating WW2? Am I missing something?

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RE: WW2?? - 5/4/2019 7:57:56 PM

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I've been working on a 1939 database set during the invasion of Poland and I haven't run into any issues so far aside from how cavalry and bicycle troops will work.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/5/2019 10:42:35 PM

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It is possible. We have WW2 equipment in the game, and the new DLC will add even more.

One issue may be the units costs, because the automatic cost calculator has been optimized for our era. Older, less powerful equipment is very cheap in the game, so it can be better to set the costs manually in the editor.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/5/2019 11:04:03 PM

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There was a full working 1944 Eastern Front Mod for freeware database. Some of the smaller game elements, like stop-fire-continue maneuver on unstabilized tanks, or wing fired tracers, matured from that experience. And of course, once we expanded towards 1965, many WW2 units were added (halftracks, armored cars like Greyhound, T-34s, Shermans etc) and are in the official game now.

So yes, WW2 mod is absolutely doable.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/13/2019 12:08:19 PM

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Interesting! Oh and exciting!

Thanks for info

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RE: WW2?? - 5/28/2019 11:51:21 PM

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I am working on a modem in WW II Germany - Russia. I have almost 70 percent done. So far everything is working well.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/29/2019 1:44:18 PM

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I am working on a modem in WW II Germany - Russia. I have almost 70 percent done. So far everything is working well.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/29/2019 1:45:26 PM

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So you saying there is a East Front mod already out there?

Is it possible to add to game for the player to buy specific WW2 only units that are currently in game now. With adding some WW2 riflemen we could do something now. Oh and say a MkIV tank. Three units away from having a little East Front scrap.

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There was a full working 1944 Eastern Front Mod for freeware database. Some of the smaller game elements, like stop-fire-continue maneuver on unstabilized tanks, or wing fired tracers, matured from that experience. And of course, once we expanded towards 1965, many WW2 units were added (halftracks, armored cars like Greyhound, T-34s, Shermans etc) and are in the official game now.

So yes, WW2 mod is absolutely doable.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/29/2019 10:11:09 PM

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Well, there was. It was set in 1944, with particular focus on Operation Bagration. I was working on 1941-1945 when work on commercial version took over. Sadly, most of that material is pretty much unusable right now as sprites, parameters etc. changed since then.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/30/2019 1:15:17 PM

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That's a shame. Would have been a huge plus if older mods had worked.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/31/2019 6:42:05 PM

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In my mod, what I have already done is almost 200 sprites (and the end can not be seen). It covers the years of September 1, 1939 to December 12, 1945, but for the time being I have focused on the German and Soviet armies. I think I should be done with three or four months. The tests that I carry out so far indicate that everything works smoothly. The question of balancing forces remains.
Maybe later I will start a new topic on the forum where I will put some sample screenshots.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/31/2019 7:18:02 PM

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On WOW!!

This sounds awesome!

Have you made units as they came to you or are you working through a timeline? Early East Front and then Stalingrad are my big wants. Though not sure if the engine needs more specific urban combat features to do Stalingrad. The amount of different German halftracks is a lot of work on its own.

I can't wait!

Any screenshots possible?😉😉

Thanks

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In my mod, what I have already done is almost 200 sprites (and the end can not be seen). It covers the years of September 1, 1939 to December 12, 1945, but for the time being I have focused on the German and Soviet armies. I think I should be done with three or four months. The tests that I carry out so far indicate that everything works smoothly. The question of balancing forces remains.
Maybe later I will start a new topic on the forum where I will put some sample screenshots.

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RE: WW2?? - 5/31/2019 7:44:41 PM

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Yes . I try to keep the historical order and parameters of all vehicles.

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RE: WW2?? - 6/7/2019 1:21:41 PM

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Great work Olej! Hope you will share the progress with us soon, I am very curious!

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RE: WW2?? - 8/4/2019 10:27:08 PM

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Bump for the hopes of WW2 mods

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RE: WW2?? - 10/26/2019 1:07:07 PM

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Just thought I would add my 2 cents. I poked around in the database and including that and the graphics that would need to be redone/edited, this would be a massive undertaking. I wouldn't even know the best place to start.

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RE: WW2?? - 10/26/2019 2:18:18 PM

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Given that in few days we will have Bastogne map, and quite a decent amount of US gear already in official database, Battle of Bastogne is doable is somebody is willing to work on it.

I recommend starting with a small window of time, because it is easier that way that going big from start. At least that was my experience on 1944 Mod.

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RE: WW2?? - 11/1/2019 1:44:58 PM

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Yeah, I agree - I was also going to suggest that rather than doing big DB mods, especially where lots of new sprites are required, a better place to start might be a "mini mod" that only focuses on a very narrow slice of the war. One advantage is that you can do a much better job balancing everything out. One thing I'd be careful with about WWII is having a clear idea about how you want to represent the different weapons and systems in use then, so that you don't end up with something quite so dominated by long-range-focused armor and firepower as much of Cold War AB (correctly) tends to do.

As for cavalry and bicycle troops - I don't necessarily see them as an issue (since in WWII you saw them exclusively fighting dismounted), but it would be nice to add a distinct class of transports into the game that are not APCs/IFVs and are therefore unarmored (and often unarmed). Trucks, motorcycles, and yes, even horses and bikes could go under that. Technically you can already have those, but the AI tends to handle them the same way as APCs, which is not always ideal...

However, there's even a way to handle unusual units - simply set their auto-purchase to 0. This means that for any generated scenarios, the AI will never "buy" them, and won't have to be confused by then (unless you make it

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Otherwise, I think Ardennes '44 is a great mod idea

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RE: WW2?? - 11/1/2019 2:33:58 PM

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As for cavalry and bicycle troops - I don't necessarily see them as an issue (since in WWII you saw them exclusively fighting dismounted), but it would be nice to add a distinct class of transports into the game that are not APCs/IFVs and are therefore unarmored (and often unarmed). Trucks, motorcycles, and yes, even horses and bikes could go under that. Technically you can already have those, but the AI tends to handle them the same way as APCs, which is not always ideal...

However, there's even a way to handle unusual units - simply set their auto-purchase to 0. This means that for any generated scenarios, the AI will never "buy" them, and won't have to be confused by then (unless you make it ).

I was wondering something along similar lines. Also, as long as the designer focuses on scenarios/actions being played by a specific side (no Side B Player), then those special units would be always human controlled.

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RE: WW2?? - 11/1/2019 5:18:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: CCIP-subsim

As for cavalry and bicycle troops - I don't necessarily see them as an issue (since in WWII you saw them exclusively fighting dismounted), but it would be nice to add a distinct class of transports into the game that are not APCs/IFVs and are therefore unarmored (and often unarmed). Trucks, motorcycles, and yes, even horses and bikes could go under that. Technically you can already have those, but the AI tends to handle them the same way as APCs, which is not always ideal...

However, there's even a way to handle unusual units - simply set their auto-purchase to 0. This means that for any generated scenarios, the AI will never "buy" them, and won't have to be confused by then (unless you make it ).

Otherwise, I think Ardennes '44 is a great mod idea

Well the issue I have isn't with combat, but with transport, and to a lesser extent, aesthetics. Right now there's no way to my knowledge to have dismounted, unmanned transports, they are always mobile and considered manned by someone. So while in reality the cavalry/bicycle troops would be dismounted and their bicycles and horses hidden, their transport is still considered manned and susceptible to movement orders and attack in the event it is discovered. The aesthetic issue is that there's no sprite representation for dismounted transport, which is an issue for open topped transports as well. So even though the horses and bicycles would have no one on them, the sprite will always show them as being mounted. It's a small issue because the GUI can let you know if transports are mounted/dismounted, but one that bugs me at least lol.

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RE: WW2?? - 11/1/2019 9:03:44 PM

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Ah, I see what you meant! Fair point - that might be tricky to work around.

I'd certainly like to see that option for transports. I think the bigger issue in AB in terms of mounting/dismounting at the moment is that dismounts are "married" to their vehicles - and at the moment, it seems like it'd have to be a pretty major reworking of how mechanized units are currently handled in order for them to be able to mount anything other than their original vehicle.
But I'm hopeful that someday, we might see that implemented :)

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RE: WW2?? - 11/2/2019 8:03:30 AM

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Unfortunately the system right now doesn't support a believable bicycle/cavalry soldier system lol. Vehicles don't support custom vehicle sounds or Sprite sheets, so bicycles and horses will be a. floaty, static looking transports and b. sound like vehicles lol, as well as have the aforementioned issues. If they're treated as infantry, they can use sprite sheets and animations would be more organic, but they'd be forced to fight from bicycle/horseback.

Also to mention there's no multi turret support, which means that tanks like the 7TP dw./Vickers 6-ton type A., T-28, T-35, Neubaufahrzeug, etc. would have fundamental issues as well, along with tanks with rear facing MGs in their turrets.

I agree with ya about the dismounted infantry. I'd like to see them become their own element on dismount to allow them to use platoon formations and SOPs, as well as have the ability to use other vehicles when they're orphaned by a destroyed original transport so they retain their mobility. Then again I have so many ideas for AB I could write a book lol, it has so much untapped potential and I really hope the fire burns for AB for a looooong time.

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RE: WW2?? - 11/3/2019 5:23:32 AM

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Wow, its like logging into the 90's around here. Who designed this forum and placed these moronic arbitrary restrictions on new members, some long since fired AOL flunky from 30 years ago?

I picked this up during the Steam launch and immediately started working on WWII graphics for AFV's and infantry. I'd love to post some WIP pics but said restrictions prevent it. Whomever runs this forum is shooting themselves in the foot with regards to these moronic restrictions on new members that no one else anywhere has.

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RE: WW2?? - 11/3/2019 9:21:36 AM

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I heard the rumours Matrix is moving to a new forum soon (which makes sense after the website rework).

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RE: WW2?? - 11/9/2019 10:36:24 PM

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Visited this forum hoping to see a thread on ww2 mod...glad to see things seem to be happening. Would love to see some sprites...And will look for further updates. Thanks to all for the work!

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RE: WW2?? - 12/19/2019 12:14:20 PM

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