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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/10/2019 12:05:49 AM

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Ouch. At this stage of the war, the US needs about 1 1/2 O-chits a turn (and of course would like more). One is for a supercombined each turn, and the other is used for a land action somewhere.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/10/2019 11:06:14 AM

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This was a foolish decision. It takes far too long to rebuild these expensive and highly usefull units. 50% chance of taking the hex simply isn't enough...

Maybe I'm too much of a gambler, but I'd take that shot again. By my analysis the Germans were in a poor position to respond and this would have forced them to divert resources badly needed in the East, or even in Southern France, to this area.

Look at it this way. It takes you a year to get those two PARA's back to the frontlines. You use PARA's and MAR units like they are nothing more than cannon flodder, which has caused their destruction time and time again. Why not have a Free French SCS sail into the sea area with a normal division to take the first loss and join the attack by invading in conjunction with PARA's or MAR units?
The specialized units need to be protected from these kind of losses. I always make sure that the first unit I have to lose is a cheap one and not one of the specialized units. Now, things might go wrong anyhow (dreaded fourteen is always possible) but to attack with two specialized units with a 50% chance of taking the hex will surely mean that at least 1 of them will get killed. And that's not a risk you should take.

And there's something else to consider too. The US needs her build points to build offensives at this stage. To have to pay 10 BP to rebuild the PARA's makes such a thing simply not possible.

If you take a good look at the Axis positions, you will conclude that the Wallies are fighting a kind of WW I type of war now. You are looking at closed frontlines and almost every attack you are making means the loss of units. You are fighting against defensive positions in mountains in Turkey, Italy, Southern France and Persia. That's not where you should fight with the Allies. You should fight in northern France instead. All other area's in Europe are nothing but a sideshow...

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/10/2019 12:52:32 PM

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World in Flames is such a great game because the players will see the results of their big decisions on the map, later.

The Germans are currently reaping rewards from decisions made by 3 other players.

The USSR chose to invade Persia in 1940. This cost the USA one entry chit. Doesn�t seem important in 1940. Later, the USA rolled poorly on two attempts to DOW the Axis. How many Oil points did that decision gain for the USSR vs how many turns of 10 BPs/turn did this cost the USA (40ish factories x 0.25 Production Multiple)?

The USA also selected a Japan First strategy.

The Japanese gambled considerably by not attacking the USA as 1942 rolled along. A smart and conservative line of play. The USA will still crush them anyway.

Now, the US Army is under-powered in Europe after their very late entry in to the war. The Allies soldier on, anyway.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/10/2019 8:14:14 PM

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But the Germans on the Eastern Front continue to bleed units and ground, Italy is toast (with many of her ships now serving in Allied navies) and Japan has lost almost all of her top capital ships (Yamato bit the dust last turn). Maybe the Axis will still hang on to win on points but 1944 is going to be brutal for them.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/10/2019 9:12:17 PM

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To be sure. The Allies have done well on many fronts in spite of the delay for all the Green Army Men. Taking out Italy before Turkey joined the war was pretty solid.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/11/2019 1:40:58 AM

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Thanks guys!

I must admit that my hobby is Military History, primarily with a focus on the second world war. I spend a lot, probably too much, of my free time either reading books about it, watching movies/documentaries about it or using MWiF to simulate it. My dad, who passed in 2003, was in the Army Air Corps and served in India during the second world war. He got out briefly after the war, married my mom and started a family (I didn't come along until 1958 but I have a brother and sister who were born in 1946 & 1948). In 1947, when the USAF (US air force) became its own branch, my dad was offered the opportunity to reenlist at the rank he was when he separated from the army in 1945. My dad retired from the USAF in 1962 at the rank of Master Sergeant, had an air force honor guard at his funeral and a 21-gun salute. I have very vague memories of him in the service and when we lived on post.

I tell you all this to explain my fascination with WW-2. It comes from the stories my dad, and others of his generation, told me about their experiences during the war. It comes from watching movies and documentaries as kid with my dad on the subject. It comes from a 12-year watching the movie Patton with my dad and hearing George C. Scott throw around all those scandalous cuss words. I just re-watched Patton recently and I must say that all those cuss words that seemed so scandalous to a 12-year old in 1970, are very mild by today's standards.

I also must admit that I much enjoy, and spend way too much time, playing MWiF and studying about WiF. I have another confession. Two weeks ago I purchased the CE vassal module from ADG and one week ago I pulled the trigger and purchased the CE Deluxe edition. Harry gave me credit for what I paid for the vassal module towards my purchase of the deluxe edition. That was really nice of him.

When I play MWiF, I do try to play it as a simulation and not a game. I'm also playing extended game length, so my decisions aren't influenced by an "artificial" end date of August 31, 1945 when a meteorite hits the earth and the world ends. While I do try to include economy and cost-benefit in my decisions, I try to make my go/no-go decisions (e.g., failed airborne drop on La Speiza) on what I think US commanders in my situation might have done. The same, for example when I attack with Japan. I make Japanese attack decisions on what I think Japanese commanders might have done, regardless of potential losses. This doesn't mean that I don't consider what the impact of the worse outcome would be, I do. And in cases where I estimate the worse outcome would be catastrophic, I don't make the attack. This doesn't mean that I always estimate correctly. I don't, which, for me, adds to the flavor and richness of my "simulation".

I write all this in the hopes of letting you in on my thinking for the decisions I made/make. Now, this doesn't mean that I don't want to learn better game tactics and strategies. I do, so please keep your comments and constructive criticisms coming. I do appreciate them and (try to) learn from them.

Thanks again to all that are following and especially to those of you that take the time to comment/critique!

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/11/2019 1:43:26 AM

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Here's a picture of my Mom and Dad, with Dad in uniform. I'm not sure, but I suspect this is just after the war when dad got home. He's wearing 3-stripes, so I would think this is indeed just after the war.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/11/2019 3:21:13 AM

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My father was not in the armed services, but was in a counter represented in WiF: He was in the engine room of a Liberty ship.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/11/2019 3:32:51 AM

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My father was not in the armed services, but was in a counter represented in WiF: He was in the engine room of a Liberty ship.

Cool!

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/11/2019 3:50:54 AM

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My father was not in the armed services, but was in a counter represented in WiF: He was in the engine room of a Liberty ship.

Cool!

No, it wasn't. The engines on those things leaked steam ferociously, and the temperature got up to 140�!

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/11/2019 4:40:12 PM

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My father was not in the armed services, but was in a counter represented in WiF: He was in the engine room of a Liberty ship.

Mine was in the galley (the cook).

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/12/2019 12:29:05 AM

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My grandfather was a Canadian who was transferred to the RN during the war and served on the HMS Nigeria for, as far as I know, the duration. As a result, whenever I play the Commonwealth I tend to (a) build her out and (b) keep her a little out of the way.

Keep up the good work. I look forward to seeing (and possibly picking apart) the Bagration and Overlord offensives.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/12/2019 2:31:13 PM

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I had two uncles who were in the war. One in Stalingrad with the Sturmpioniere (he was from the Austrian side of the family) and one in the Dutch merchant navy.

The first one got wounded by shrapnel in his arm and back. He was able to walk to the airfield and was evacuated by air from the pocket. Of all of his comrades, he was one of five who survived over more than one hundred conscripts...

The last one got torpedoed by U boats two times. He also survived the war, because both times he was able to get into a rescue boat in time.

I consider both of them to have been very lucky during the war, if one looks at casualty rates of the Sturmpioniere and the Dutch merchant navy personell...

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/12/2019 11:40:42 PM

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I had two uncles who were in the war. One in Stalingrad with the Sturmpioniere (he was from the Austrian side of the family) and one in the Dutch merchant navy.

The first one got wounded by shrapnel in his arm and back. He was able to walk to the airfield and was evacuated by air from the pocket. Of all of his comrades, he was one of five who survived over more than one hundred conscripts...

The last one got torpedoed by U boats two times. He also survived the war, because both times he was able to get into a rescue boat in time.

I consider both of them to have been very lucky during the war, if one looks at casualty rates of the Sturmpioniere and the Dutch merchant navy personell...

Fascinating too that your uncles were on different sides.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:02:02 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

Actions. USA - combine, Great Britain - combine, Free France - combine, China - land, USSR - land.

Great Britain. Black Sea.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:03:09 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

RN. North Sea.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:05:00 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

USN. China Sea.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:05:27 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

USN/RN. South China Sea. Well, naval wise for the Western Allies this impulse was a total bust.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:06:42 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

End of Impulse. China.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:07:24 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

End of Impulse. Philippines.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:08:03 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

RAF. Strategic Bombing.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:08:35 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

End of Impulse. Middle East.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:09:07 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

USSR (1/4).

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:09:30 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

USSR (2/4).

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:09:49 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

USSR (3/4).

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:10:09 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

USSR (4/4).

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:10:35 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. Allied #12.

End of Turn. Turn Ends.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/13/2019 2:12:05 AM

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Turn 27. Jan/Feb 1944. End of Turn.

Partisans. No doubt that both sides will want to move first next turn. The Soviets have a chance to encircle another Germany army group and, of course, the Germans wish to move first to prevent this.