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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 7:30:18 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Allied #6.

USSR. The Eastern Front (2/5).




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 7:31:11 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Allied #6.

USSR. The Eastern Front (3/5). Kivoy Rog. Three badly needed resource points are liberated by the Red Army.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 7:33:57 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Allied #6.

USSR. The Eastern Front (4/5). Rostov. Close but no cigar. Failure to liberate Rostov with this attack means that it's going to be a tough nut to crack; especially given the fact that adjacent axis units will easily replace axis losses and will bring the maximum number of defenders up to the max (i.e., 2 corps & 1 division).




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 7:34:55 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Allied #6.

USSR. The Eastern Front (5/5). Grozny. Amazing!




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 7:36:13 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Allied #6.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 9:38:51 PM   
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Where did the Japanese CVP over Tarakan come from? Is there still a Japanese carrier afloat somewhere?

Also, why was the notional strength of Hong Kong 2? 1 for base, +1 for city, -1 for out of supply. What am I missing? The adjacent corps was Chinese, not Japanese.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 9:56:15 PM   
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Why liberate Rostov? Just contain the Axis troops on that front; drive as hard as you can for Rumania and then cut the rail lines into Bulgaria. That will cut the Axis troops on that front out of supply permanently, no matter what happens on the Black Sea. Just treat that area as a very large POW camp.

Not to mention that capturing Ploesti will not help the Axis cause at all.

The Germans lost at least four resource centers this turn (three in Ukraine, one in France), and maybe more that I didn't notice. What effect, if any, will that have on German production?

One rules oddity: If the turn ends after the next Axis impulse, as near as I can tell the three German oil points in Iran can be used to reorganize German units on the Western front. I think there is a chain of Axis owned hexes all the way from them back to Germany.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 10:06:38 PM   
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Where did the Japanese CVP over Tarakan come from? Is there still a Japanese carrier afloat somewhere?

Also, why was the notional strength of Hong Kong 2? 1 for base, +1 for city, -1 for out of supply. What am I missing? The adjacent corps was Chinese, not Japanese.

One of the Marines invaded from the 2-box. The other from the 3. Both invaded in fine weather.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 10:09:10 PM   
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Where did the Japanese CVP over Tarakan come from? Is there still a Japanese carrier afloat somewhere?

Also, why was the notional strength of Hong Kong 2? 1 for base, +1 for city, -1 for out of supply. What am I missing? The adjacent corps was Chinese, not Japanese.
He came from the CVL Chiyoda in the South China Sea who stayed at sea from the end of last turn. Below is a list of all remaining Japanese naval units on the board. Note that 2 of the 3 CP's in port are disorganized.

Japan has 1 carrier, the CVL Chiyoda, left on the map. The Chiyoda lost its air group last impulse.





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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 10:18:05 PM   
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I thought that Persian CAV should have been out of supply as it had to trace through a Desert Mountain hex to the nearest Persian city ... ???

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 10:28:05 PM   
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I also thought von Bock's southern wing of heavy Panzer formations could have saved von Rundstedt, at least temporarily, by trying a Ground Strike on the lead Soviet ARM that crossed the Dnepr, with the rocket-armed Fw190 rolling twice. Then the oos Soviet ARM could have been easily blitzed and the Dniepr front stabilized. Though that would have likely risked that very good Fighter-Bomber with no base to return to that could have made it through the entire turn, perhaps. Instead, von Bock left his armor east of the river, allowing the Soviet swarm to reach them, though von Bock would also have needed to stay farther south to supply the move to the south - where the weather was Fine, and von Rundstedt's supply line could have fueled the attack.


EDIT: I see what happened to the II SS ARM now - it was out of supply when it retreated from Kursk, leaving it disorganized afterwards. So my idea would have required von Bock to flip early in the turn, with little else for the Germans north of the Pripyets. As it turned out, using von Bock's reserves would have worked out with the use of the O-Chit flipping up all German HQ, but it was too early to make that plan. Flipping up all HQs can be an excellent use of a Chit; if the Russians hold one in Jul/Aug 1944 it can accomplish amazing things.




Overall though, the summer of 1944 on the Eastern Front is always one of the most fascinating campaigns in the game. Too many Allied players quit too early to ever see it.



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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:35:04 PM   
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I thought that Persian CAV should have been out of supply as it had to trace through a Desert Mountain hex to the nearest Persian city ... ???

I agree. Since the unit wasn't disrupted, shouldn't make a difference in this game, but it should have been out of supply.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:46:42 PM   
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I also thought von Bock's southern wing of heavy Panzer formations could have saved von Rundstedt, at least temporarily, by trying a Ground Strike on the lead Soviet ARM that crossed the Dnepr, with the rocket-armed Fw190 rolling twice. Then the oos Soviet ARM could have been easily blitzed and the Dniepr front stabilized. Though that would have likely risked that very good Fighter-Bomber with no base to return to that could have made it through the entire turn, perhaps. Instead, von Bock left his armor east of the river, allowing the Soviet swarm to reach them, though von Bock would also have needed to stay farther south to supply the move to the south - where the weather was Fine, and von Rundstedt's supply line could have fueled the attack.
Sounds like a missed opportunity for the Germans on the Eastern Front ...

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Overall though, the summer of 1944 on the Eastern Front is always one of the most fascinating campaigns in the game. Too many Allied players quit too early to ever see it.


Though Germany and Japan are a long way from defeated, I'm surprised how quickly their gains are evaporating. I must say that I'm thoroughly enjoying this game ... mistakes and all.

At least as the allies I didn't bomb Monte Casino. Just finished reading that part in Rick Atkinson's, "The Liberation Trilogy". General Lucas has also just been relieve of command of VI corps in Anzio.


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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:50:00 PM   
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I just put an edit in my thoughts on those Panzers east of the Dnepr while you were posting, I looked back to some earlier impulses.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:50:02 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

Actions. Germany - land, Italy - land, Japan - combine.

IJN. Naval Move. Japan moves the only organized naval unit, a CP from Japan into the China Sea in the hopes of both restoring and maintaining supply to their forces in China and surrounding areas.

South China Sea. No combat.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:50:46 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

China Sea (1/3). Supply broken again.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:51:05 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

China Sea (2/3).



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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:51:41 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

China Sea (3/3).




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:52:38 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

IJA. Southern China. French Indo-China. Siam. Burma. End of Impulse.




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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

Euro-Axis. The Western Front. Italy. End of Impulse. No combat.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:54:22 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

Euro-Axis. The Eastern Front. End of Impulse. No combat.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:55:18 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. Axis #8.

End of Turn Check. Turn ends.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:56:04 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Partisans. Italy, France and Soviet Union.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:56:57 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Destroyed and Repair. Japan.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:57:39 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Destroyed and Repair. Germany, Germany's Allies and Vichy.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:58:04 PM   
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Turn 29. May/June 1944. End of Turn.

Destroyed and Repair. Allied.




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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/29/2019 11:58:52 PM   
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I have been casually watching for a used copy of Atkinson's "At Last Light" about the US Army's final campaign, Normandy > Elbe, but haven't found one yet. Have read "Day of Battle" twice now, though each time I was disappointed at how the fighting north of Rome was excluded. A forgotten part of the war. It did quite illuminate Harry Rowland's choices on the re-org values of the HQs.

Overall though, "Day of Battle" I think has a lot of application to playing a game of World in Flames. One final piece of the puzzle of breaking the line at Cassino - the breakthrough of the French African MTN corps - is not possible in WiF though, as it doesn't cooperate with CW or USA units, which is too bad. But reading about all of the resources used to make it to Rome, and then considering what that accomplished strategically - is very much worth considering when you build an American Army and deploy it in to Europe, somewhere...

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 12:14:22 AM   
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I have been casually watching for a used copy of Atkinson's "At Last Light" about the US Army's final campaign, Normandy > Elbe, but haven't found one yet. Have read "Day of Battle" twice now, though each time I was disappointed at how the fighting north of Rome was excluded. A forgotten part of the war. It did quite illuminate Harry Rowland's choices on the re-org values of the HQs.

Overall though, "Day of Battle" I think has a lot of application to playing a game of World in Flames. One final piece of the puzzle of breaking the line at Cassino - the breakthrough of the French African MTN corps - is not possible in WiF though, as it doesn't cooperate with CW or USA units, which is too bad. But reading about all of the resources used to make it to Rome, and then considering what that accomplished strategically - is very much worth considering when you build an American Army and deploy it in to Europe, somewhere...
After reading about all the strategic errors made by senior allied commanders, I don't feel so bad when I make them myself in MWiF. Though, my mistakes don't really cost any lives.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 12:29:20 AM   
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Back in the depths of late 1942, I really didn't think the Red Army had a shot of making it to Berlin. But with the way things turned around, and especially with so much of German arms caught deep behind enemy lines in Siberia, Persia, and the Caucasus, there's now the glimmer of possibility that victory parades will be held next to the ruins of the Reichstag building.

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RE: Witness to World War 2. - 6/30/2019 12:35:07 AM   
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But from a simulation perspective, needless to say the Germans are a bit teed off at their Vichy allies for giving the Royal Marines "safe passage" to retreat.


partisans!

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