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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 9:03:32 PM

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If you've never read the book 'Enemy at the Gates', it's a good read. The movie is based on 3-4 pages of a 1200 page book.

I read a tome "Barbarossa" on the war in Russia - the author tried to show the turn of each major battle on the actions of one or a few soldiers from either side doing heroic things at just the right moment. I suspect "Enemy at the Gates" would have to have even more of such first-person detail to get to 1200 pages. That is just more detail than I want to read. Canadian author Pierre Burton covered the 900 days of the Siege of Leningrad in much fewer pages and I got a pretty good sense of 'what it was like' without excessive detail. That's about my speed these days ...

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 9:18:36 PM

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Nah. We'd be screaming at the screen the whole time about lack of arrest wires on B-26s and pan the movie just based on that alone.

Well, Biggles did it - landed his B-24 (!) on a carrier just outside Borneo. A British carrier, at that...! So, why not?

Fred
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In what Biggles book was that?

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 9:21:00 PM

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That looks like they are doing part two of The Movie that Shan't Ever be Mentioned.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 9:49:42 PM

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If you've never read the book 'Enemy at the Gates', it's a good read. The movie is based on 3-4 pages of a 1200 page book.

Aye. A classic. One of the first books I read on the Eastern Front as a teenager.

The movie is comparative alliterative rubbish.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 9:52:59 PM

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As an interesting side-thought, if this forum (as a collective) was to direct a war film about the Pacific theatre, it would bomb (no pun intended) at the box office.

I'm envisioning it as a "12 Angry Men" rip-off, except rather than argue for guilt or innocence in a courtroom trial, it's JFB's and AFB's deciding if the Yamato or Iowa would win in a fight.

...it would be over the budget
...probably men would die starring in it but no Zeroes would be harmed ...
...it will be as longer than Bondarchuk's War and Peace

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 10:03:00 PM

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Nah. We'd be screaming at the screen the whole time about lack of arrest wires on B-26s and pan the movie just based on that alone.

Well, Biggles did it - landed his B-24 (!) on a carrier just outside Borneo. A British carrier, at that...! So, why not?

Fred
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In what Biggles book was that?

Biggles on Borneo, if I remember correctly. He was also operating from the secret Dutch air bases on Borneo, Samarinda I and II.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 10:30:31 PM

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Nah. We'd be screaming at the screen the whole time about lack of arrest wires on B-26s and pan the movie just based on that alone.

Well, Biggles did it - landed his B-24 (!) on a carrier just outside Borneo. A British carrier, at that...! So, why not?

Fred
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In what Biggles book was that?

Biggles on Borneo, if I remember correctly. He was also operating from the secret Dutch air bases on Borneo, Samarinda I and II.

Fred

I suspected as much. But I didn't remember him flying a B-24 there. He mostly flew the Bristol Beaufighter in that book. At least according to my memory so I decided to check how accurate it was. And the wiki pages linked below concur although that doesn't guarantee it is correct. I noticed your comment on the Beaufighter page

https://biggles.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Aircraft_which_Biggles_flew
https://biggles.fandom.com/wiki/Bristol_Beaufighter

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 10:34:17 PM

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I see that they used the B-24 under a different name as a "load carrier" in the Borneo book.

https://biggles.fandom.com/wiki/Consolidated_B-24_Liberator

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/29/2019 11:27:53 PM

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I see that they used the B-24 under a different name as a "load carrier" in the Borneo book.

https://biggles.fandom.com/wiki/Consolidated_B-24_Liberator

I believe the story was that they escaped in the B-24 (Liberator) and landed on a British carrier.
It is more than 60 years since I read the book, and a Norwegian edition, at that...

. It may
have been flown by Algy or Bertie. As you know, they flew everything...

..

Lately I have acquired some 1st edition Biggles books, but I haven't got as far as "Borneo" - they are
quite rare - and expensive - as 1st editions.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/30/2019 6:28:51 AM

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Thank you.

I do remember much of that book although the details elude me. And I didn't remember the escape at all. Except that they had to escape.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/30/2019 4:46:22 PM

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I looked at the fan link and could not find a picture or artist depiction of ... Biggles.
I looked at the character list and could not find the name ... Biggles.
I did find a book cover art for Biggles in Borneo, and it appears to show his aircraft hitting ... an Essex class Carrier!

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/30/2019 5:36:14 PM

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I looked at the fan link and could not find a picture or artist depiction of ... Biggles.
I looked at the character list and could not find the name ... Biggles.
I did find a book cover art for Biggles in Borneo, and it appears to show his aircraft hitting ... an Essex class Carrier!

It's even worse than that! Apparently, it's a captured Essex Class carrier that has been re-flagged by the Japanese! So ka!

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/30/2019 5:41:23 PM

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You guys have no historical knowledge�?

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/30/2019 5:55:46 PM

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It's even worse than that! Apparently, it's a captured Essex Class carrier that has been re-flagged by the Japanese! So ka!

This one better for you...? From the 1st edition of the book.

Unfortunately some of the illustrators weren't always into what was going on.

What I find interesting with the Biggles books is how the author relates to the real history, being it planes flown, locations or the general world situation. Sometimes he is spot on - as in Biggles in Spain (during the Civil War) and in the Baltic. For that matter, in "Borneo", too.

It is rather impressive how Biggles and his trusted gang can jump into ANY plane and just take off. No briefing necessary be
it a Dornier 24 or a Heinkel 115. They are also known to have flown the Sunderland, the SM-79 and the Wellington, to name a
few..

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 6/30/2019 6:34:08 PM

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Interestingly enough, the hardcover front of the 1st edition also shows a carrier, probably the one they landed the
B-24 on. Quite a feat - or what..? I believe they took off again, too...

..!!

From this it is obvious that the carrier had a central place in the story.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/1/2019 9:17:57 AM

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Look interesting, but I cannot rate it cause I haven't seen it. But seeing part of the trailer does seem alittle off though.

On the youtube comments, there are up and down with griefs, so I wouldn't pay much for this one. I do believe Tora Tora Tora as well Midway is good movie, just need to update the graphics, making it look more realistic instead of using modern warships in the background.

There aren't very many good WWII movies out there.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/2/2019 12:23:32 AM

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Why would they be remaking this flick �..?

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/2/2019 10:01:06 AM

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Just watched the trailer. From the makers of Independence Day? uh-oh....

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/2/2019 10:20:51 AM

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Christ, that "Dauntless" trailer has more plastic in it than the whole Pacific Ocean. Everything feels fake. Should have been named 'The Battle of Greenscreen". At least film the actors outdoors in natural lighting from time to time...

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 12:37:28 AM

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Stumbled across the Midway trailer on YouTube this evening and committed some kind of mastur-torture by watching it again.

Explosions rock ships at Pearl...No, wait! They don't rock them at all. The ships just sit placidly.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 12:40:56 AM

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Strafing plane ignites something at the very tip of the bow of some big USN warship. Does the Navy store explosive at the tip of the bow?

It appears that the CGI guys failed to include gun barrels on the two gun mounts on the starboard side.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 12:42:28 AM

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Intrepid cameraman catches War-of-the-Worlds style attack on Midway.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 2:22:52 AM

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Why would they be remaking this flick �..?

Perhaps because the one from 1976 inserted some politically correct nonsense (the Hawaiian Is did not intern any of its Japanese population) that contributed nothing to the story of the battle AND it followed the so called history of the battle as put forward by Lcdr Fuchida Mitsuo which has since proven to be pretty much made from whole cloth AND it recycled assorted films (with lots of F6Fs and TBFs) from various documentaries along with various clips from the movie "Tora, Tora Tora".

According to the Battle of Midway Roundtable the director asked the publisher for comments on the trailer. The publisher noted that ships and planes were way to close to one another but noted that since the "CGI guys" were game programmers that was probably to be expected. He stated that he did submit a number of other suggestions to the director but also that he hadn't heard back yet (June 2019 issue).

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 3:53:53 AM

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Makers of "Independence Day" you say? Well, at least we know the plot: Randy Quaid will fly Jeff Goldblum to the Akagi in a B-26 and insert an actual virus into the ship's galley, thereby incapacitating Nagumo and the rest of the ship's crew and allowing our flyboys to hit them hard.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 1:37:11 PM

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Intrepid cameraman catches War-of-the-Worlds style attack on Midway.

There was a Hollywood director on Midway filming the attack (Capra? Ford?) although he was in his own foxhole, not out in the middle of strafing planes.

The mob attack by the aircraft is what disgusts me. The Japanese squadrons that attacked Force Z kept perfect formation despite heavy AA fire, and there is no reason to assume the IJN pilots would break formation discipline.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 2:20:54 PM

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From that image it looks like some of the attacking Japanese planes have wheels down. This is either a CGI oversight or the Japanese are going to land and take the airfield by coup de main.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 2:34:25 PM

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From that image it looks like some of the attacking Japanese planes have wheels down.

Wouldn't those be the D3As that participated in the attack. There were 36 of them after all.

The image is incorrect since the Zeroes would be keeping the Marine CAP off the bombers while they attacked. IIRC according to "Shattered Sword" the D3As attacked first then the B5Ns attacked. The Zeroes did some strafing but only after the CAP had been dealt with. Also according to "Shatterred Sword" (and other sources) the Japanese fighter pilot mindset was such that hunting surviving F2As/F4Fs would be much more satisfying than strafing ground forces.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 2:58:12 PM

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Interestingly enough, the hardcover front of the 1st edition also shows a carrier, probably the one they landed the
B-24 on. Quite a feat - or what..? I believe they took off again, too.....!!

From this it is obvious that the carrier had a central place in the story.

Fred

Had never heard of the series of books about Biggles.

Perhaps this provides some clarity and understanding to the line "Where the hell was Biggles when you needed him last Saturday" in Jethro Tull's classic Thick as a Brick.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 3:00:09 PM

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From that image it looks like some of the attacking Japanese planes have wheels down.

Wouldn't those be the D3As that participated in the attack. There were 36 of them after all.

I think that's what they are. I have no idea if this movie will be any good, but I have to say that from the trailer, the CGI ships and planes seem to be correct enough: The trailers show Yorktown-Class carriers with tripod masts, one of the US BBs at Pearl has a tripod mast while another still has a lattice mast.

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RE: New Midway Movie Trailer - 7/16/2019 3:03:25 PM

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Intrepid cameraman catches War-of-the-Worlds style attack on Midway.

There was a Hollywood director on Midway filming the attack (Capra? Ford?) although he was in his own foxhole, not out in the middle of strafing planes.

The mob attack by the aircraft is what disgusts me. The Japanese squadrons that attacked Force Z kept perfect formation despite heavy AA fire, and there is no reason to assume the IJN pilots would break formation discipline.