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The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 6:56:17 AM   
Timotheus

 

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Status: offline 		is not the clicking, the godawful UI, my hand bleeding as I do a 4 hour 1st turn...

It is the SYNCH BUG.

This is inexcusable. This SHOULD be fixed.
When I watch a replay, it should not be fake news.

I am reading an AAR now, and the synch bug just reared its ugly head. It ruins the game, as a programmer (....not a master, a decent one) I cannot fathom HOW this could occur when all a replay is is basically a reading of a txt file.....right?

How can this synch bug be fixed?

Can I, as a player, do something to get rid of it 100% or at least lower the chance of it occuring?

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 7:07:43 AM   
821Bobo


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Status: offline 		AFAIK Japan player using esc key to skip combat animation is causing this.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 8:38:28 AM   
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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 11:27:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yea, add this to the list of reasons why I don't PBEM.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 11:31:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Which is like saying, "I prefer my blow-up doll over dating Charlize Theron, because she sometimes is snappish."

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 11:38:51 AM   
Yaab


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Status: offline 		PBEM sucks
AI is broken
Theron is old
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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 11:50:32 AM   
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Theron is old

Aren't we all, aren't we all...

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 11:56:29 AM   
Edward75


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Create for each opponent a new game in a different folder. With same patch or mod.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 12:01:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

AFAIK Japan player using esc key to skip combat animation is causing this.


Have you tested it?

I think (I am a programmer) that for some reason the Allied side is running the turn with a different random seed or the two sides use different versions (and mods, and etc.) of the game.

If the developers used a random number generator from the OS, that would cause different turns on different computers, but I doubt that this is the cause. They should have the pseudo random number generator shipped with the game.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 12:44:55 PM   
Miller


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Status: offline 		Whatever the reason, it really should have been sorted out a decade ago when it was happening in UV and the original WITP, but I guess it's here forever. However, not a problem if you only play as the Japs.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 1:33:21 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		To minimize the effect of the sync bug, the Japanese player sends the written combat report to the Allied player, who reviews it first. That written report is always accurate.

The sync bug can be an intel boon to the Allied player, giving him a look at things that didn't happen/weren't visible in the real turn. This is usually tactical info, like an air battle that didn't happen real turn (because of weather) that takes place in the sync turn with results that "teach" the player something.

The bug can be eliminated by the proper sequencing of updates, which is covered at length in previous major posts somewhere around the Forum.


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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 1:38:34 PM   
btd64


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Status: offline 		I personally haven't seen the sync bug more than 2 times in 8 years of pbem's. Just lucky I guess....GP

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 1:38:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Which is like saying, "I prefer my blow-up doll over dating Charlize Theron, because she sometimes is snappish."



Please put this tired, disgustingly denigrating reference to rest.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 1:40:19 PM   
Canoerebel


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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:07:41 PM   
MBF

 

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:09:06 PM   
HansBolter


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

No way. It's the best analogy I've ever come up with!



So you actually have no problem with implying that solitaire players prefer sex with blow up dolls?

Isn't that a violation of the forum rules?

I enjoy following your AARs too much to want to have to use the green button on you.

And surely you can come up with someone more enticing than Charlize...she is far to androgenous (sp?) for my taste.

And, furthermore, the correct period reference would be "like kissing your sister".

< Message edited by HansBolter -- 7/19/2019 2:16:23 PM >

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:18:28 PM   
Treetop64


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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

AFAIK Japan player using esc key to skip combat animation is causing this.


It's why I use the fast forward option when wanting to finish animations, even when playing allies.

Very handy.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:20:02 PM   
Treetop64


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EDIT: ok, thats better.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:26:43 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Somebody's taking banter far too seriously, but I'll drop the Charlize similes.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:28:53 PM   
Yaab


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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:36:38 PM   
tarkalak

 

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ORIGINAL: Treetop64

...why the hell is there a photobucket watermark all over my sig?




Did you upload it to photobucket?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Treetop64/C2Ship_Smaller.jpg

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Me, studying for a PHD entry exam in Applied Mathematics.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:42:32 PM   
Treetop64


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ORIGINAL: Timotheus

...my hand bleeding as I do a 4 hour 1st turn...

Can I, as a player, do something to get rid of it 100% or at least lower the chance of it occuring?



It only takes you four hours to do a first turn?

Me? Four weeks. At least.

No joke.

...and if you're using michaelm's patch, press the [Z] key to fast forward through animations instead of the [Esc] key. Might help.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 2:48:40 PM   
Treetop64


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ORIGINAL: tarkalak


quote:

ORIGINAL: Treetop64

...why the hell is there a photobucket watermark all over my sig?




Did you upload it to photobucket?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/Treetop64/C2Ship_Smaller.jpg


I guess I did. Had forgotten that I ever used PB. Got annoying and stopped using it a long time ago...

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 3:26:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Timotheus

is not the clicking, the godawful UI, my hand bleeding as I do a 4 hour 1st turn...

It is the SYNCH BUG.

This is inexcusable. This SHOULD be fixed.
When I watch a replay, it should not be alternative facts.



Fixed that for you...

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 3:55:42 PM   
pontiouspilot


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Status: offline 		Try a better brand of scotch....works for me!! I just grimace at this happening and attribute it to FOW.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 6:01:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tarkalak

quote:

ORIGINAL: 821Bobo

AFAIK Japan player using esc key to skip combat animation is causing this.


Have you tested it?

I think (I am a programmer) that for some reason the Allied side is running the turn with a different random seed or the two sides use different versions (and mods, and etc.) of the game.

If the developers used a random number generator from the OS, that would cause different turns on different computers, but I doubt that this is the cause. They should have the pseudo random number generator shipped with the game.

I don't play PBEM, but in playing the AI I find that things start to go wonky if I have been playing a lengthy time without restarting the game. It seems like clicking on any item or just doing a mouseover causes the game to access the info from disc/SSD and then keep it in RAM for reference. The after a while the accessing info from disc/SSD starts to take longer and the "disc spinning" busy signal is visible for a few seconds. Presumably this means data is being swapped out of RAM and new data retrieved, both of which take time.
Around the time this starts happening I get missing pictures on TF info screens and even missing icons at bases. For example the base screen might show no LCUs at all but the map shows the LCU dot icon. Clicking on the dot icon brings back the individual LCU icons on the base screen. When this happens, I save my game and restart it, which clears the odd behavior for some time - 2 or 3 turns (I check a lot of stuff during each turn because I micromanage and I forget stuff).

EDIT: Meant to add that something similar could be causing the synch bug by loading up RAM so much that not all the display connections are updated with data swapping. Just a wild speculation ...

< Message edited by BBfanboy -- 7/19/2019 6:03:33 PM >

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 6:26:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Almost all synch bug issues are caused by both players not having exactly the same patch/beta/mod update versions of the game installed. It's critical to be exactly the same or you will almost always see the synch bug. I have almost never seen it in my games over the last 9 years, 11 months, and 21 days of owning this great game.

Memory issues for the Allied player can also make a difference as BB mentioned above. As a rule, the Allied player should always reboot the computer before running a turn replay.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 7:31:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HansBolter


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Which is like saying, "I prefer my blow-up doll over dating Charlize Theron, because she sometimes is snappish."



Please put this tired, disgustingly denigrating reference to rest.


His blow-up doll is actually better than Charlize Theron? Not that I would ever want to denigrate anyone's blow-up doll.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 7:35:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone who plays this game to watch the combat replays is certifiable. ESC ESC ESC ESC.

But yes, you should arrange with your PBEM opponent to be using the same update or the same beta version. If you don't do that, don't whine.

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RE: The one thing that REALLY pisses me off in WITPAE - 7/19/2019 7:47:11 PM   
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