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VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy in WW2 - 8/2/2019 5:25:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have read two very good, very different books on Japanese navy.

One of the most interesting books I happened across is Kaigunm actually "Kaigun: Strategy, Tactics, and Technology in the Imperial Japanese Navy, 1887-1941", David C. Evans. It details Japanese Navy's strategic and operational planning for a future war with the USA, and the WHY and how they build the ships (and airplanes) that they did.

It is a fascinating book - I dare say even business consultants SHOULD read it - because it is a case study of basically a business plan and then fulfilling it, and how egos, beliefs and wishful thinking (and dare I say - national/cultural characteristics) shape such a plan and affect its results (ships built). Details Japanese R&D and technology achievements. One of the best books I have read in any genre. Chock full of info. Just an incredible book in its breadth of scope and achievement.

Is there such a book for the US Navy? How they planned for the future war, imagined the future war to be, and how such planning shaped the ships they built? And then


Second book is "The Imperial Japanese Navy in the Pacific War" by Mark Stille which is basically a compendium of his Osprey titles. For all Japanese major war ship classes, CV, BB to DD and SS. It is a great coffee book, pictures galore, but it does have beautiful cutout graphics of some ships and does have (very slim) history of ALL the Japanese warships in ALL the classes.

Anything like that for US Navy in the Pacific exists?
As in, all the major classes of warships used by the US Navy in Pac, pictures, data and (abbreviated) history of their use?

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/2/2019 12:31:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Conways 1922-46 volume covers everyone, and Norman Friedman wrote the US chapter.

For more detailed material, try googling the Senate Committee proceedings that preceded the passing of the various Vinson-Tramell Acts of 1934, 1938, and 1940, and the two-ocean navy one later in 1940.

Here is a good start: http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/american&military_history/World%27s%20Fastest%20Battleships.pdf


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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/2/2019 1:43:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I enjoyed Warships after Washington: The Development of Five Major Fleets 1922-1930 by John Jordan. It covers part of the period you're looking at, and covers all the treaty powers.

Edit to add: and I second Conway.

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/2/2019 2:00:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		A very informative pdf, thank you. I remember reading about the Saratoga providing electrical power for the Seattle area in the 1930s.

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/2/2019 5:49:55 PM   
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Conways 1922-46 volume covers everyone, and Norman Friedman wrote the US chapter.

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Playing this game and not owning Conways All The World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921 and Conways All The World's Fighting Ships 1922-1946 is like owning a Ferrari but not buying the wheels and tyres for it.....


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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/2/2019 6:21:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		So I am playing the game without wheels and tyres . . .

Maybe I want a boat instead . . .

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/2/2019 7:16:45 PM   
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So I am playing the game without wheels and tyres . . .

Maybe I want a boat instead . . .
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You have a Ferrari?


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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/2/2019 9:15:41 PM   
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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/3/2019 4:04:07 PM   
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tyres


What's a 'tyre'????

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/3/2019 4:18:19 PM   
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tyres


What's a 'tyre'????
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A city in Lebanon for one. Also - and I strongly suspect this is more pertinent to the above comments - a round, typically black object, made of rubber and rather big in the motor industry on account of the fact that, when fitted to the wheels of a car, they stop said wheels from scraping along the ground.

I trust this is of assistance but please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further help or guidance.







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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/3/2019 4:26:41 PM   
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I trust this is of assistance but please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further help or guidance.


Sadly there's not enough of either in the world for the likes of me.

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/3/2019 4:38:18 PM   
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I trust this is of assistance but please do not hesitate to contact me if you require any further help or guidance.



Sadly there's not enough of either in the world for the likes of me.


I will not argue with you.


Sadly, said tyres will not work properly unless, after mounting, they are filled with a gas to a certain pressure. If said tyres are not properly filled, they may develop a flat spot on the bottom which, even after the tyre moves, will stay on the bottom.

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/4/2019 10:32:41 PM   
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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/5/2019 3:43:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I found all three volumes at a second hand book shop in the late 90's but even then they were not cheap.

I just did a google search and discovered that someone acting in breach of copyright has uploaded a pdf of the 1922-46 volume of Conway's on the internet somewhere.

I'm sure no forumites would download it illegally though.



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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/5/2019 4:18:42 AM   
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I found all three volumes at a second hand book shop in the late 90's but even then they were not cheap.

I just did a google search and discovered that someone acting in breach of copyright has uploaded a pdf of the 1922-46 volume of Conway's on the internet somewhere.

I'm sure no forumites would download it illegally though.



How did you learn that the copy on the net is in breach of copywrite? Is there some way to tell?

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/5/2019 5:10:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Copyright lasts for the author's life time + 70 years in the US of A. My volume is copyrighted 1980 (the initial printing), so it runs to at least 2050. The 70 years usually starts running from the date of the author's death, so you might need to add something reflecting the life times of, possibly the chief editor Mr Gardiner, or the main author Mr Chesenau - you'd need to ask a US lawyer for clarification on what happens on a multi-authored book, where one can infer in the ordinary course of business the chapter writers assign their rights to the publisher.

The only possibility I can think of for it not to be a breach, is if Conway Press granted permission. My gut instinct is that is unlikely, because if they wanted it available as an ebook they could scan it in and sell it themselves for a reasonable price.

Short version - don't know for sure, but it looks and sounds like a duck.

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RE: VERY specific book recommendations on Pac US Navy i... - 8/5/2019 7:53:06 AM   
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