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Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 3:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Trying to feed Australia with oil. I do nit have 1 ship that can go from West coast of US to Australia.
Do I need to shuttle it to Fiji then to AZ or is there another way?

Also there is a button for auto supply. And stock pile. Does anyone use them and how does that work?
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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 3:22:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Set up fuel depots along the way with either fuel unloaded already and/or tankers loaded with fuel in the port. If you set it up as a base, increase the port size and the airfield so your depots can hold more. Include air support and you can use these to ferry aircraft squadrons as well as have air units to patrolling purposes.

Stockpiles are handy when you need to keep supplies there to repair factories and such. You need to have at least 10,000 supplies or factories don't repair. This is more important for Japan. But you also want 20,000 supplies at a base so units can upgrade devices, and get replacements. Air units also have to have a large airfield and lots of supplies to upgrade aircraft. You can so set stockpile to "Yes" when you want to keep supplies at the base and not have them sent to other bases although it will supply units in its area if the units need supplies.



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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 3:26:29 PM   
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Trying to feed Australia with oil. I do nit have 1 ship that can go from West coast of US to Australia.
Do I need to shuttle it to Fiji then to AZ or is there another way?

Also there is a button for auto supply. And stock pile. Does anyone use them and how does that work?

Double handling is inefficient! Do not unload and then later reload and take to OZ. There are a few tankers that have range 12000 miles or a little more. All you need do is send them to OZ with a waypoint at PH or other base with fuel. When you set the waypoint you can specify how much fuel to give it to let it complete the round trip.
If you must avoid PH because of subs and your SOPAC bases are short on fuel, just set the tanker/AO to go directly to OZ to unload but set the fuel orders to "minimum refuel". The tanker will take a small part of the fuel it unloaded to ensure it can make the trip back to the US.

Also, set the TF to "Direct/Absolute" routing to make sure it does not divert somewhere because it thinks it will run out of fuel.

BTW, you can also haul fuel from Abadan to Perth quite nicely. The ones with 8075 capacity have good range and with a refueling waypoint at Colombo they can reach Perth and return without refueling there. Fuel unloaded in Perth will use the rail system to go where it is needed.

And you can use Cape Town to deliver to Perth/Adelaide or even Melbourne. CT itself can run short of fuel unless you send some tankers to ECUSA to load fuel and deliver to CT. This can be set up as a CS type convoy. Note that AOs must be set as a Tanker TF not a Replenishment TF if you want to set the TF as a CS TF.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 3:58:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll add, in most scenarios the USN has *one* escort - USS Charleston, an Erie class PG - with a 12,000 NM range. She's a good primary escort for Australia-bound Tanker convoys. I wish you could get her sister, but USS Erie was sunk in the Caribbean in 1942. :-(

As noted, there are several options for getting fuel to Australia. I tend to load convoys at Los Angeles, run them through a waypoint or two in the deep South Pacific, and deal with feeding them some fuel in Sydney for the return trip. Other convoys run fuel to intermediate points (Suva and Noumea, for example), and of course to Pearl.

If you're not carrying fuel as cargo in xAK's, you pretty much need to keep most of your tanker fleet moving most of the time.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 5:35:37 PM   
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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 6:06:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		For factorya to make fule and supplys do they have to have oil or do they just do it on there own?

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 6:07:26 PM   
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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 6:35:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Refineries turn oil into fuel and supply, depending upon the scenario - no supply. LI turns resources into supply. HI turns fuel and resources into Heavy Industry (HI) points and supply.

I definitely suggest that you read the manual if you have not read it. If you have read it, read the pertinent sections again.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 6:37:29 PM   
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Refineries turn oil into fuel and supply, depending upon the scenario - no supply. LI turns resources into supply. HI turns fuel and resources into Heavy Industry (HI) points and supply.

I definitely suggest that you read the manual if you have not read it. If you have read it, read the pertinent sections again.
warspite1

Alternatively you could start thinking outside the box. Have you tried moving Australia instead?


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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 6:39:14 PM   
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For factorya to make fule and supplys do they have to have oil or do they just do it on there own?

Fuel is made by having oil and a refinery. Each refinery center (point) uses 10 oil inputs to make (depending on the mod) 10 fuel or (in stock) 9 fuel and one supply. Manual section 13.2.2.3.

Supplies are made from resources by Light Industry (15 resources to make one supply) and Heavy Industry (20 resources + 2 fuel makes two supply and two HI points).

Additionally, some places on the map get daily supply that is deemed to arrive from the surrounding area. Aden gets a bit, and I believe most other off-map based do as well. San Francisco most certainly gets more than actual on-map Industry would provide.
I am unsure whether Japan has any places that get any such intrinsic supply.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 6:42:30 PM   
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Refineries turn oil into fuel and supply, depending upon the scenario - no supply. LI turns resources into supply. HI turns fuel and resources into Heavy Industry (HI) points and supply.

I definitely suggest that you read the manual if you have not read it. If you have read it, read the pertinent sections again.
warspite1

Alternatively you could start thinking outside the box. Have you tried moving Australia instead?


We could just give Australia some 3D printers and let them print their own supplies. They could double their number of Matilda tanks in a month!

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 7:02:39 PM   
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Refineries turn oil into fuel and supply, depending upon the scenario - no supply. LI turns resources into supply. HI turns fuel and resources into Heavy Industry (HI) points and supply.

I definitely suggest that you read the manual if you have not read it. If you have read it, read the pertinent sections again.
warspite1

Alternatively you could start thinking outside the box. Have you tried moving Australia instead?




Put some pontoons under her........GP

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 7:32:27 PM   
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Be patient. Australia is moving north at 3" per year

Then it will not be long before Australia have winter during the Christmas season.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 7:40:48 PM   
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Be patient. Australia is moving north at 3" per year

Then it will not be long before Australia have winter during the Christmas season.

It's an issue for self-driving cars. The GPS decimal places have to be updated.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 7:43:05 PM   
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Be patient. Australia is moving north at 3" per year

Then it will not be long before Australia have winter during the Christmas season.

It's an issue for self-driving cars. The GPS decimal places have to be updated.

Why? Can't the self driving cars drive in snow?

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 7:46:02 PM   
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Be patient. Australia is moving north at 3" per year

Then it will not be long before Australia have winter during the Christmas season.

It's an issue for self-driving cars. The GPS decimal places have to be updated.

Why? Can't the self driving cars drive in snow?

Snow does not enter into it. The lines that mark roads and lanes move.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 8:24:45 PM   
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Be patient. Australia is moving north at 3" per year

Then it will not be long before Australia have winter during the Christmas season.

It's an issue for self-driving cars. The GPS decimal places have to be updated.

Why? Can't the self driving cars drive in snow?

Snow does not enter into it. The lines that mark roads and lanes move.

Of course it doesn't matter now. But when Australia is located in the Northern hemisphere...

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 8:31:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I mix TKs and xAKs( ones with large endurance ) into a single TF so it has enough range to travel to OZ and back without any refueling.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 9:00:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The ones with less endurance can be used to stockpile supplies in Hawaii and other locations. Use them to send supplies from the East Coast to Cape Town as well.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 9:24:59 PM   
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If you want a second opinion ask me again!

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 9:26:52 PM   
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Refineries turn oil into fuel and supply, depending upon the scenario - no supply. LI turns resources into supply. HI turns fuel and resources into Heavy Industry (HI) points and supply.

I definitely suggest that you read the manual if you have not read it. If you have read it, read the pertinent sections again.
warspite1

Alternatively you could start thinking outside the box. Have you tried moving Australia instead?




Put some pontoons under her........GP

Just make sure she doesn't flip over, like Guam!

< Message edited by dcpollay -- 8/26/2019 9:28:13 PM >

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 9:38:29 PM   
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Australia is not too much of anything.
If you want a second opinion ask me again!


I have heard that Australia is too much of a nice place. So, are you stating that it is not?

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 9:47:38 PM   
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Australia is not too much of anything.
If you want a second opinion ask me again!


I have heard that Australia is too much of a nice place. So, are you stating that it is not?


Correct, not too much of a nice place.
There are enough not nice places that offset the places you see in the travel brochures to lower the average to “just right”.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 9:52:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		You really have to be patient and build your supporting bases and systems in SOPAC while slowly building supplies in OZ. Use New Zealand as a hub as well until supporting bases are built.

Any spare AK's, AP's or anything else shouldn't be leaving the DEI without loads of fuel, send those loaded to OZ to get you started before sailing the transports to Capetown or West Coast.

Think also about sending unneeded transports from India to DEI for fuel via Oz then U.S.and Capetown.




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I mix TKs and xAKs( ones with large endurance ) into a single TF so it has enough range to travel to OZ and back without any refueling.


Good advice here!





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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/26/2019 10:16:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		TKs loaded with oil is also good since Australia has a shortage of oil for its refineries.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/27/2019 12:46:00 AM   
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I always like making NZ a hub for SoPac.

AS RJ points out you need oil for the refineries. Many players would eschew the effort and focus on fuel since it is the end product you need for the HI and the navy. I try to do like RJ and get oil there, especially before the tapline of both commodities from the DEI is cut off.

Many players will also eschew getting enough fuel to OZ to run its HI and will counsel turning off the HI. I prefer to leave it on and make the effort to get enough fuel there for both the HI and navy. If you fuel the HI, OZ will produce enough supply to take care of itself, allowing you to push your building SoPac stockpiles elsewhere.

Managing your logistics takes some forethought and planning. Experimentation is the best way to discover what works and what doesn't, giving you a framework for the forethought and the planning. No way to master it but to wade in and muck it up.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/27/2019 1:00:11 AM   
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Australia is not too much of anything.
If you want a second opinion ask me again!

I have heard that Australia is too much of a nice place. So, are you stating that it is not?

jdsrae

Correct, not too much of a nice place.
There are enough not nice places that offset the places you see in the travel brochures to lower the average to “just right”.


One of my uncles went there and drove around with his family for awhile. He took pictures and stayed in contact with some people. He traded agates for opals.

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/27/2019 2:13:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I put Oz as the destination but have a way point in Fiji tell it to fuel.
The ship will do that?

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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/27/2019 2:32:35 AM   
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RE: Australia is to far away! - 8/27/2019 2:54:24 AM   
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Yes.

* If Fiji has fuel! Do not set "Full Refuel" with the waypoint; choose "Minimal Refuel" and the game will give enough additional fuel to get to Oz and back to home port with about 10% to spare. This will reduce the drain on Fiji and prevent you from returning to USA with far more fuel than needed.

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