Orm
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Why celebrate the starting of a war?
Ask Poland. They sounded sirens to commemorate it. It is something that people need to be reminded of.
Why? I don't live in Poland. And it started there.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
You are basically calling Socialists Trade Unionists and Jews no better than Nazis.
Use of a supposedly clever quote doesn't always work in every circumstance.
The quote is not always relevant. The context is not always appropriate.
Sometimes the words, are no better than deliberate falsehoods.
Canada went to war in 39 to forcibly remove the Nazis and their cleverly worded falsehoods.
Chickenboy, my anger is directed only at Nazis.
I'm recognizing the start of a heroic moment in time to stand up and say no to a force some would call evil. I'm not religious, I don't recognize the notion of evil. But I once wore the uniform of my country. Because I won't tolerate what some will casually permit.
Von Rocko, that notion might be yours, it isn't one I'd share though.
It's a shame the US 2nd amendment has become a farce. It was meant to permit the citizens of your nation the capacity to remove a government that is clearly NOT of and by and for the people. Currently, I don't see it as being for anyone other than the massively rich. But that is just my opinion and one that I don't need to defend, as I'm not an American.
I'm Canadian, and I have a different document. It's called the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
We also observe the Human Rights Code.
And we don't tolerate hate mongers.
By that I mean, hate is legally permitted to be shut down in a courtroom.
In other words, speaking hate can get you arrested in Canada.
In other words, the Nazis are not welcome in Canada.
If you want them, wish to defend them, then you can keep them too.
We are not required to defend them here.
I am not sure I follow your logic here, MrsWargamer.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I did not speak out;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
Source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
Martin Niemöller was imprisoned in a concentration camp from 1938 to 1945.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
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