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Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 10/4/2019 9:29:03 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		This is still WIP but change list so far

1. Change autoconvoy start location to be Singapore and PH - Done
3. US airframe pools - Done
4. US Pilot pools and xp levels - Done
5. Remove Dutch Sqns and replaced with 5 new ones - Done
6. Check US Divs for.old devices - Done all units start upgraded
7. Review Aus Armoured Bde - Done
8. Add Shinyo Suicide boats for Japan as MTBs - Done
9. Check US CVs and move those damaged At Okinawa to west coast with some damage - Done
10. Increase prep levels for allied forces to enable quicker invasions - Done
11. Re wrote Allied AI - Done
12. Add score damage for VPs - Done
13. Extend map south to Manus and move BPF start point to that location - Done
14 Check USN Air Groups I think I got them all resized
15 Added Leyte FDR and Coral Sea as reinforcement ships
16 Added karel Doorman as reinforcement
17. Added more room to north basically China and Korea still under Japanese control due to the rising tension in Germany Russia took North Manchuria and Shikuka but has left Korea/ China and Toyohara under Imperial control - some supplies may be making there way to those three sites - gives the rumpJapanese merchant marine something to do - HI start low on fuel and supplies after Okinawa campaign getting those supplies to HI across Sea of japan and Yellow sea is important - also gives US subs a role
18. Sorting out some obsolete devices for Japan - DONE

Still to do
a. Major play test as japan - in progress
b. Sort out USN carrier resizing bug for US AI - done but means Essex class have 150 capacity - PLAYERS DONT RESIZE OR OVERLOAD CARRIERS - NEEDS A HOUSE RULE NOT TO ABUSE PLEASE
c. Major Allied play test

v3 Corrected Ponape HQ assignment

Please note I cannot as yet get the allied AI to work and I am not sure I ever will be able to get it working effectively so unfortunately this is going to be PBEM or v Japanese AI only scenario for now

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 10/4/2019 9:31:46 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		ps still working on this one so not ready to play yet

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 10/25/2019 6:37:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have you given any thought to adding the Curtiss SC-1/2 to the game?

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 10/25/2019 9:32:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Have you done anything about the command structure of 14th Army, it is perm restricted so any LCU allocated to it must pay PP to change to an active command, usually SEAC. Likewise for (I think) III US Corps whose troops must change to another Corps HQ

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 10/28/2019 6:07:06 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		That was a deliberate design decision - its supposed to be a US Centric scenario as Mac didn't want Indian troops so if you need to use them its at a cost

I will take another look a bit later on

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 12/15/2019 10:56:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any update on when this might be available? I stopped playing the current Downfall as this looked to be developing a much better scenario.

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 12/19/2019 6:15:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same here. You're doing such a nice work on upgrading that it MUST be worth waiting for the update. Everything stopped for me too. (in fact, no pressure... I have so many other things to do before starting a new scenario that this delay helps me to NOT procrastinate too much ...)

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 1/12/2020 3:23:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Can you also ensure that you have the right commanders in the right spots. In earlier versions, I saw commanders that were either dead or had been disgraced and forced to resign due to failure.


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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/13/2020 7:33:45 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Sorry this has been dead a bit so far

1. Change autoconvoy start location to be Singapore and PH - Done
3. US airframe pools - Done
4. US Pilot pools and xp levels - Done
5. Remove Dutch Sqns and replaced with 5 new ones - Done
6. Check US Divs for.old devices - Done all units start upgraded
7. Review Aus Armoured Bde - Done
8. Add Shinyo Suicide boats for Japan as MTBs - Done
9. Check US CVs and move those damaged At Okinawa to west coast with some damage - Done
10. Increase prep levels for allied forces to enable quicker invasions - Done
11. Re wrote Allied AI - Done
12. Add score damage for VPs - Done
13. Extend map south to Manus and move BPF start point to that location - Done
14 Check USN Air Groups I think I got them all resized
15 Added Leyte FDR and Coral Sea as reinforcement ships
16 Added karel Doorman as reinforcement
17. Added more room to north basically China and Korea still under Japanese control due to the rising tension in Germany Russia took North Manchuria and Shikuka but has left Korea/ China and Toyohara under Imperial control - some supplies may be making there way to those three sites - gives the rumpJapanese merchant marine something to do - HI start low on fuel and supplies after Okinawa campaign getting those supplies to HI across Sea of japan and Yellow sea is important - also gives US subs a role

Still to do
a. Major play test as japan
b. Sort out USN carrier resizing bug for US AI
c. Sorting out some obsolete devices for Japan

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/13/2020 7:34:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AndrewNguyen1984

Can you also ensure that you have the right commanders in the right spots. In earlier versions, I saw commanders that were either dead or had been disgraced and forced to resign due to failure.



Give me a list and I will amend

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/13/2020 7:38:19 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Can I ask does anyone actually play this campaign as japan if not I am wasting my time chasing a bug that's irrelevant ?

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/13/2020 7:53:53 PM   
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Can I ask does anyone actually play this campaign as japan if not I am wasting my time chasing a bug that's irrelevant ?


Don't know about the present but back in the mists of antiquity, Nemo did. Overall I don't think many would play Downfall, I certainly don't recall any modern AARs on it.

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/14/2020 8:32:56 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Can I ask does anyone actually play this campaign as japan if not I am wasting my time chasing a bug that's irrelevant ?


Don't know about the present but back in the mists of antiquity, Nemo did. Overall I don't think many would play Downfall, I certainly don't recall any modern AARs on it.

Alfred


Lowpe and I had a game on Downfall, a long time ago. Sadly we didn't get too far in to it, but I've always fancied picking up another game using that scenario.

I am very fond of it, even if it is something of a monster to do the first turn!

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/14/2020 8:54:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Can I ask does anyone actually play this campaign as japan if not I am wasting my time chasing a bug that's irrelevant ?


Don't know about the present but back in the mists of antiquity, Nemo did. Overall I don't think many would play Downfall, I certainly don't recall any modern AARs on it.

Alfred


Lowpe and I had a game on Downfall, a long time ago. Sadly we didn't get too far in to it, but I've always fancied picking up another game using that scenario.

I am very fond of it, even if it is something of a monster to do the first turn!


Since posting, I've come across someone else who had a problem in playing the Downfall scenario., against the AI IIRC it was identified in the Tech sub forum about 6 years ago. That makes for 3 known Downfall plays.

Alfred

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/14/2020 3:06:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I will de-lurk to say both that I played the Downfall scenario at length and am looking forward to the update. I also experienced oddities with air group resizing in the middle of the game.

Keep up the good work!

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/15/2020 10:03:22 AM   
traskott


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Status: offline 		Me, a year ago. Stopped by some bugs/errors which are listed by you, so... go, go, Andy!

( remember, this is not an Iroman ).

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/15/2020 12:53:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does Japan get emergency reinforcements when the Allies finally land in the remaining Home Islands? Hundreds of adolescent girl battalions with bamboo spears? Old folks carrying anti-tank mines and crude Arisaka rifles? Mobilised kempetai units?

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/15/2020 9:59:42 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		They get the normal 10 Divs of Depot Troops and most support units are now shifting support troops into makeshift entries

Support Squads are lower in most support units but have been replaced by IJAAF Support Inf,
Also mst Divs get attached Militia Squads

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/15/2020 10:17:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I play Downfall a bit, its great using those late war units. I probably play as Allied 10-1 compared to the japanese side, and probably dont play through as long for the japanese.

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/15/2020 10:19:40 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks guys I am playing as Japan right now but need a playtester on the allied side to try a few months to see how it goes and if I have missed anything so I am going to post the latest beta of the scenario in this thread on the 1st post of the thread if anyone has some time and can play a coulpe of months as allies it would help a lot especially if you can let me have any observations

Andy

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/18/2020 6:13:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like the Allied side. I may give it a spin in a few days.

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/18/2020 10:54:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've played this several times, made a mod scen to adjust most of the items already mentioned. Sadly, I can't find my notes (I had to change machine a few years ago and some items were lost in the shuffle).

Anyway, very happy to see some work on this again. It is a GREAT scenario!!

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/19/2020 5:09:28 AM   
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OK, I downloaded the Downfall scenario and I intstantly remembered why I had never played it - the left part of the map bothers me. China, Indochina, Malayas - all empty of Allied troops, with the Jap units in their Dec 7, 1941 postitions. No Soviets either. The map feels... artificial?


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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/19/2020 9:07:39 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/21/2020 9:38:59 PM   
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More notes on this from the IJ side:
Bangkok: only 2 HQ's. I suspect there should be a depleted BDe here as well.
Canton: 47th Sentai: should have upgraded from the Ki-44 Tojo long ago as those were just prototypes. Ki-44c? maybe half the group? 24 AC or so …
Also, either HK or Canton, prolly Canton, should have an air HQ present by '45. One of the china air HQ's would have shifted here.
near HongKong (78,60) - these units should be in HK, not just outside.
Haiphong: maybe a few xAKL's hiding out here?

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/21/2020 9:46:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		324 - Hengchun needs a bde at least, or an understrength div moved from Takao.
Nagasaki: hard to see this not a 9/9 AF/port by this date.

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/21/2020 11:14:47 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/21/2020 11:19:56 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		De facto in this scenario China and Korea are really only to provide resources and supply and LCU's and basically a reason for the remaining Japanese merchant marine to exist.

Japan main islands can be substantially reinforced from these locations and as important shipping supply and fuel from Korea/China and Sakkalin to japan proper is the key to Japanese resistance once the land war on HI begins

I left a couple of bases in the West and SEA to allow harassment raids on convoys and naval search to see whats coming plus supply from Palembang if the Japanese dare.

This is a scenario about invading the HI leaving those limited bases not in the HI makes the scenario more than just the allies performing amphib and grind operations - it gives the Japanese player somewhere to get additional resources and allows an allied player to use his subs.

That was the only reason I left those bases in play

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/22/2020 12:38:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok, thanks for the design insight. helps a great deal ...

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RE: Scen 14 Downfall - Update (WIP) - 5/26/2020 5:19:01 PM   
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