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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

That is correct, only real-time view is supported on initial launch.

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ORIGINAL: HaughtKarl

Can't Tacview record natively? i.e. Play scenario normally while Tacview is minimized. Once your scenario is complete, just replay it through Tacview.

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ORIGINAL: Sharana

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ORIGINAL: HaughtKarl

Can't Tacview record natively? i.e. Play scenario normally while Tacview is minimized. Once your scenario is complete, just replay it through Tacview.

No, it just shows the real time situation from the point of the view of the unit you have selected in CMO. So as far as recording goes you only have whatever your recording software records from the screen.

In other words Tacview is not used as AAR as you can't "export" the events for tacview to replay (that's PE exclusive feature) - the data is just streamed into Tacview's Live view. The addition is eye candy as you can see the battles in 3D also and not only from the CMO's top down 2D view, so you know exactly what's going on (if you care about the details).

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Seems like a huge missed opportunity, I don't understand why the devs get these things so wrong.

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Seems like a huge missed opportunity, I don't understand why the devs get these things so wrong.

Please read this again: https://kotaku.com/five-things-i-didn-t-get-about-making-video-games-unti-1687510871
And especially #5 for this case.

Also, we opened up a new features poll thread. So if this is really critical for you, you can post there, have it included in the poll, and see if others share your priority.

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ORIGINAL: Sharana

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ORIGINAL: HaughtKarl

Can't Tacview record natively? i.e. Play scenario normally while Tacview is minimized. Once your scenario is complete, just replay it through Tacview.

No, it just shows the real time situation from the point of the view of the unit you have selected in CMO. So as far as recording goes you only have whatever your recording software records from the screen.

In other words Tacview is not used as AAR as you can't "export" the events for tacview to replay (that's PE exclusive feature) - the data is just streamed into Tacview's Live view. The addition is eye candy as you can see the battles in 3D also and not only from the CMO's top down 2D view, so you know exactly what's going on (if you care about the details).

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Seems like a huge missed opportunity, I don't understand why the devs get these things so wrong.

Please read this again: https://kotaku.com/five-things-i-didn-t-get-about-making-video-games-unti-1687510871
And especially #5 for this case.

Also, we opened up a new features poll thread. So if this is really critical for you, you can post there, have it included in the poll, and see if others share your priority.

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Thank you for the info, however I feel like the link you provided doesn't really apply...in this case the dev work is done, since this feature is present in PE.

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Thank you for the info, however I feel like the link you provided doesn't really apply...in this case the dev work is done, since this feature is present in PE.

Your assumption is wrong.

In Command PE, Tacview can be used either in real-time mode (as with CMO) or in AAR mode. In both cases there is no FOW. Pro users understand and accept this.

Implementing FOW in Tacview, without altering the Tacview exe itself, and doing it in a user-friendly way, is a non-trivial task with significant complications. Before (and if) we undertake it, we need to evaluate if it's worth it. That means a combination of technical feasibility and sufficient customer demand. If either is not present, no go.

So the article I pointed to in fact very much applies: You underestimate how much work goes into what you are asking for.

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Sorry, what is FOW?

And we are asking for AAR mode, which as you said, is already implemented, just not in CE?

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ORIGINAL: JamesHunt

I just want the 3D Real Time Window. Is the Standard Edition (25 Bucks) of TacView enough or do I really need the Advanced Version (60 Bucks)?

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Sorry, what is FOW?

And we are asking for AAR mode, which as you said, is already implemented, just not in CE?

OK my bad, I thought this was what you meant since it was what you originally enquired about.

AAR mode is not coming to CMO anytime soon. This is strictly a PE feature. If it is essential to your workflow, please contact us through a business address to discuss about a PE license.

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Sorry, what is FOW

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Ah ok, I see. Thank you. The other feature would also be nice, but as you say, would take dev time.

Can you elaborate on how the integration between Tacview and CMO will work? For example, if I click on a unit in CMO, will it be shown in Tacview?

I suppose the "FOW" (I'm still not sure what that means, if you could spell it out for me I would appreciate it) importance would just depend on how easy it is to see opposing units in tacview? If it's really obvious, then it kinda spoils things (for example, if I'm hunting a sub)

Any elaboration you could make would be very much appreciated. Thank you!

I'd also like to point out that we are all here because of the fantastic game you've made (and improved) over the years, so again, thanks for making this amazing thing :)

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Ah ok, I see. Thank you. The other feature would also be nice, but as you say, would take dev time.

Can you elaborate on how the integration between Tacview and CMO will work? For example, if I click on a unit in CMO, will it be shown in Tacview?

I suppose the "FOW" (I'm still not sure what that means, if you could spell it out for me I would appreciate it) importance would just depend on how easy it is to see opposing units in tacview? If it's really obvious, then it kinda spoils things (for example, if I'm hunting a sub)

Any elaboration you could make would be very much appreciated. Thank you!

I'd also like to point out that we are all here because of the fantastic game you've made (and improved) over the years, so again, thanks for making this amazing thing :)

You are welcome, and thank you for the kind words.

We presented the basics of Tacview integration in this article last month: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4975

The way the interaction works is that you click on a unit or contact on the top-down map, and the camera centers on this object in Tacview, as in this example: https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/1076160/ss_0093c7653341c089fc6dc7742709e303c103873c.jpg

You can zoom/pan the Tacview camera around the selected object, so you can go from close focus on unit all the way out to seeing the entire theater. The Tacview window is not a "fixed" part of the overall main window but is instead it own separate window. This makes it easy to resize it, move it around the screen to your preference or park it on a second monitor, if you have one.

As Sharana said, FOW refers to Fog Of War; because Tacview was originally developed as an AAR tool, it is designed to show the ground-truth and all objects, instead of a specific side's view. IMO this is the biggest limitation of this implementation so far, and we would very much like to implement more realistic FOW, but as I said before we first need to determine if it's reasonably feasible and if players actually want it (more than other items, that is).

The association between the database and Tacview’s 3D models (which model to display for unit-XYZ?) is handled by two Excel spreadsheets (one for DB3000 and another for CWDB) which list all database entries and the most suitable model for each (because there are not enough models for all platforms in the databases, often generic models or “close enough” substitutes are used instead of precise matches). The 3D models are stored as individual .obj files (Alias-Wavefront format). This is important, because it means that end users can tweak the associations and add their own custom models as desired. Some of our beta testers have come forward with many new models (example: https://twitter.com/warfaresims/status/1184695601935634434) which greatly enhance the visual experience.

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Ah ok, I see. Thank you. The other feature would also be nice, but as you say, would take dev time.

Can you elaborate on how the integration between Tacview and CMO will work? For example, if I click on a unit in CMO, will it be shown in Tacview?

I suppose the "FOW" (I'm still not sure what that means, if you could spell it out for me I would appreciate it) importance would just depend on how easy it is to see opposing units in tacview? If it's really obvious, then it kinda spoils things (for example, if I'm hunting a sub)

Any elaboration you could make would be very much appreciated. Thank you!

I'd also like to point out that we are all here because of the fantastic game you've made (and improved) over the years, so again, thanks for making this amazing thing :)

You are welcome, and thank you for the kind words.

We presented the basics of Tacview integration in this article last month: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4975

The way the interaction works is that you click on a unit or contact on the top-down map, and the camera centers on this object in Tacview, as in this example: https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/1076160/ss_0093c7653341c089fc6dc7742709e303c103873c.jpg

You can zoom/pan the Tacview camera around the selected object, so you can go from close focus on unit all the way out to seeing the entire theater. The Tacview window is not a "fixed" part of the overall main window but is instead it own separate window. This makes it easy to resize it, move it around the screen to your preference or park it on a second monitor, if you have one.

As Sharana said, FOW refers to Fog Of War; because Tacview was originally developed as an AAR tool, it is designed to show the ground-truth and all objects, instead of a specific side's view. IMO this is the biggest limitation of this implementation so far, and we would very much like to implement more realistic FOW, but as I said before we first need to determine if it's reasonably feasible and if players actually want it (more than other items, that is).

The association between the database and Tacview’s 3D models (which model to display for unit-XYZ?) is handled by two Excel spreadsheets (one for DB3000 and another for CWDB) which list all database entries and the most suitable model for each (because there are not enough models for all platforms in the databases, often generic models or “close enough” substitutes are used instead of precise matches). The 3D models are stored as individual .obj files (Alias-Wavefront format). This is important, because it means that end users can tweak the associations and add their own custom models as desired. Some of our beta testers have come forward with many new models (example: https://twitter.com/warfaresims/status/1184695601935634434) which greatly enhance the visual experience.

Thank you for the info! I had one more question, on regards to subsurface contacts and ownship in tacview, does it accurately represent depth? Or is the model always just below the surface as shown in the video?

Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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The association between the database and Tacview’s 3D models (which model to display for unit-XYZ?) is handled by two Excel spreadsheets (one for DB3000 and another for CWDB) which list all database entries and the most suitable model for each (because there are not enough models for all platforms in the databases, often generic models or “close enough” substitutes are used instead of precise matches). The 3D models are stored as individual .obj files (Alias-Wavefront format). This is important, because it means that end users can tweak the associations and add their own custom models as desired. Some of our beta testers have come forward with many new models (example: https://twitter.com/warfaresims/status/1184695601935634434) which greatly enhance the visual experience.

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ORIGINAL: Dimitris

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ORIGINAL: JOhnnyr
Ah ok, I see. Thank you. The other feature would also be nice, but as you say, would take dev time.

Can you elaborate on how the integration between Tacview and CMO will work? For example, if I click on a unit in CMO, will it be shown in Tacview?

I suppose the "FOW" (I'm still not sure what that means, if you could spell it out for me I would appreciate it) importance would just depend on how easy it is to see opposing units in tacview? If it's really obvious, then it kinda spoils things (for example, if I'm hunting a sub)

Any elaboration you could make would be very much appreciated. Thank you!

I'd also like to point out that we are all here because of the fantastic game you've made (and improved) over the years, so again, thanks for making this amazing thing :)

You are welcome, and thank you for the kind words.

We presented the basics of Tacview integration in this article last month: http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4975

The way the interaction works is that you click on a unit or contact on the top-down map, and the camera centers on this object in Tacview, as in this example: https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/1076160/ss_0093c7653341c089fc6dc7742709e303c103873c.jpg

You can zoom/pan the Tacview camera around the selected object, so you can go from close focus on unit all the way out to seeing the entire theater. The Tacview window is not a "fixed" part of the overall main window but is instead it own separate window. This makes it easy to resize it, move it around the screen to your preference or park it on a second monitor, if you have one.

As Sharana said, FOW refers to Fog Of War; because Tacview was originally developed as an AAR tool, it is designed to show the ground-truth and all objects, instead of a specific side's view. IMO this is the biggest limitation of this implementation so far, and we would very much like to implement more realistic FOW, but as I said before we first need to determine if it's reasonably feasible and if players actually want it (more than other items, that is).

The association between the database and Tacview’s 3D models (which model to display for unit-XYZ?) is handled by two Excel spreadsheets (one for DB3000 and another for CWDB) which list all database entries and the most suitable model for each (because there are not enough models for all platforms in the databases, often generic models or “close enough” substitutes are used instead of precise matches). The 3D models are stored as individual .obj files (Alias-Wavefront format). This is important, because it means that end users can tweak the associations and add their own custom models as desired. Some of our beta testers have come forward with many new models (example: https://twitter.com/warfaresims/status/1184695601935634434) which greatly enhance the visual experience.