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Great Sale Price! - 11/28/2019 2:16:11 PM   
Trugrit


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I just saw something unbelievable today on this site:

The price of War in the Pacific Admiral’s Edition is on sale for $16.00 !

This is the game I’ve been playing for the last 10 years. I have devoted to and played
more hours in this game than all the other wargames I have ever owned and played
combined since I was 12 years old.

This is the undisputed magnificent mother of all WW2 Strategic Pacific Wargames.
Still unsurpassed after a decade in the field.

Yes, I understand that it is a very hardcore and difficult game.
Maybe the most difficult wargame to install, learn and then play ever designed.
Maybe ever to be designed in my lifetime.

Right now on the forum there are players who are struggling just to get it installed
and running on Windows 10 and Windows 10 is the best OS I have ever seen it run on.

It is that hard and it is twice as good a game right now than when it was first released.

Yes, true it is not for 90% of all wargamers.
A few of those poor souls would not be able to come to terms with it in a lifetime of gaming.

But, just the chance for all the really hardcore wargamers out there to own it, even if they never play it,
is an opportunity I cannot see how any hardcore wargamer can pass up.

Just the bragging rights alone, just to say they owned and played the best Strategic Pacific Wargame
ever designed for just ten minutes would be, in the gaming circles I run in, like saying they once walked on the moon!
Something to tell their gamer grand kids about.

“Hey you kids, you don’t know how lucky you have it. I remember it was in the winter of 2019!
I had to walk through the snow on the old internet to buy WITP-AE. It took me a whole day
to get it up and running just the way I liked it with all the options on Bill Gates old interface.
Took me two months to learn the basics but by golly we were real wargamers in those days.”

16 dollars! I have that much lose change in a bowl on my hunt table.

It costs me that much to get a haircut and I don’t even have any hair!


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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/28/2019 2:24:33 PM   
budd


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Status: offline 		Yea.....but.....It's daily turns.....hurts my brain thinking about it, but yea I have considered it.....just for that bragging rights thing

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/28/2019 6:25:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I bought WITP over Thanksgiving in 2004. I missed the upgrade period when AE came out and just could never convince myself to pay the full rate for AE.

So, now with the sale going on, what is the principle improvement of AE over the 2004 version of WITP? Its hard to tell from the product page alone.

TIA

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/28/2019 9:34:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm really tempted to get it, especially after seeing a Youtube video by Historical Gamer and the map mod was the best thing I've ever seen. My doubt is that one needs to have in-depth knowledge about the Pacific War to get to grips with it, and that it isn't as "straight forward" (relatively speaking) as Gary's other games.
In what way is it hard to run on Win 10?

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/28/2019 11:19:04 PM   
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This might be a gameplay link if I did it correctly.

That map looks much better than the standard

< Message edited by demyansk -- 11/28/2019 11:36:13 PM >

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/28/2019 11:39:09 PM   
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Link to the map mod from chemkid

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/29/2019 12:46:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very strange all of chemkids posts deleted.

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/29/2019 4:51:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OldSarge

I bought WITP over Thanksgiving in 2004. I missed the upgrade period when AE came out and just could never convince myself to pay the full rate for AE.

So, now with the sale going on, what is the principle improvement of AE over the 2004 version of WITP? Its hard to tell from the product page alone.

TIA


There are a lot of improvements over WiTP. Rather than list everything, let me just say that $16 is most definitely worth it for the better experience.

OK, here are a couple off the top of my head:

1. Can use up to three waypoints for TF routing purposes.
2. Several skills added for pilots, so for instance a fighter pilot should have good Air-to-Air, a Dauntless pilot good Naval Bombing, etc. Experience is still important, but skills differentiate the pilots.
3. More strategic nuance with the smaller hexes and additional bases.

That's about all I can think of since it's been a long time since I dusted off WiTP.

EDIT: I think a few forumites could help in providing Chemkid's maps if you ask nicely.

Cheers,
CB


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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/29/2019 10:51:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OldSarge

I bought WITP over Thanksgiving in 2004. I missed the upgrade period when AE came out and just could never convince myself to pay the full rate for AE.

So, now with the sale going on, what is the principle improvement of AE over the 2004 version of WITP? Its hard to tell from the product page alone.

TIA


The improvement over WITP?

I don’t know the answer because I never played War in the Pacific.
I started with War in the Pacific-AE.

The way it was explained to me by a player who has played both is that it really
is a question of capability and depth. AE being a much deeper experience.

Below is a picture of a Ford Sedan and below that a picture of a Ford GT40.
They both will get you where you want to go but the GT40 was designed to push
the outer edge of the envelope in terms of capability and depth.

I can see that in AE.
Look at the below links to a player’s explanations of ship support and ship repair in the game.

Support Ships:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2920431
Repair of Ships:
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2990845

And ship support and repair is just one element of the game. It does not really touch on
aircraft, air groups, land units, combat, terrain, logistics, etc…..




Attachment (1)

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/29/2019 1:08:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		16 bucks, wow, amazing price even if I'd likely never play it :)

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/29/2019 8:43:06 PM   
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quote:

So, now with the sale going on, what is the principle improvement of AE over the 2004 version of WITP?


They simply don't compare. Apples and oranges, day and night.

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/29/2019 8:45:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

16 bucks, wow, amazing price even if I'd likely never play it :)


Even if you only play some of the shorter scenarios its would be worth it for that price.


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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/29/2019 9:06:45 PM   
rocketman71

 

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Status: offline 		I was just going to ask about the smaller scenarios. What scope are they typically? With WiTE I have only so far played the "small" scenarios and appreciate them a lot. Also, going for a full campaign to get to grips with a game like this might be asking for a burnout.

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/30/2019 12:13:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Trugrit


I just saw something unbelievable today on this site:

The price of War in the Pacific Admiral’s Edition is on sale for $16.00 !

This is the game I’ve been playing for the last 10 years. I have devoted to and played
more hours in this game than all the other wargames I have ever owned and played
combined since I was 12 years old.

This is the undisputed magnificent mother of all WW2 Strategic Pacific Wargames.
Still unsurpassed after a decade in the field.



Preach it, brother!

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/30/2019 12:22:32 AM   
Chickenboy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: OldSarge

I bought WITP over Thanksgiving in 2004. I missed the upgrade period when AE came out and just could never convince myself to pay the full rate for AE.

So, now with the sale going on, what is the principle improvement of AE over the 2004 version of WITP? Its hard to tell from the product page alone.

TIA


I cut my teeth on Uncommon Valor, then was a 'plank holder' for WiTP and then WiTP:AE. The analogy how WiTP is different from WiTP:AE is akin to how UV was different from WiTP. Just out of memory:

1. Different hex size scale. WiTP was 60nm hexes, WiTP:AE is 42 mile hexes. Makes for a massive map, which, IIRC, covers more area than did the original. The map itself is more pleasing to the eye as well.
2. Different treatment of port size, port naval support, realistic refueling mechanics, realistic loading and unloading mechanics, etc.
3. More expansive OOB.
4. Pilot training mechanics are different. Much more detailed and superior in AE versus its predecessors.
5. Current support from Matrix games and an active forum. There are only a handful of relevant posts on the WITP forum in 2019. Most predate 2009.

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/30/2019 8:21:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: budd

Yea.....but.....It's daily turns.....hurts my brain thinking about it, but yea I have considered it.....just for that bragging rights thing


Only if you choose that option. There are several different multiday turn options available.

Alfred

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RE: Great Sale Price! - 11/30/2019 1:09:14 PM   
OldSarge


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: OldSarge

I bought WITP over Thanksgiving in 2004. I missed the upgrade period when AE came out and just could never convince myself to pay the full rate for AE.

So, now with the sale going on, what is the principle improvement of AE over the 2004 version of WITP? Its hard to tell from the product page alone.

TIA


I cut my teeth on Uncommon Valor, then was a 'plank holder' for WiTP and then WiTP:AE. The analogy how WiTP is different from WiTP:AE is akin to how UV was different from WiTP. Just out of memory:

1. Different hex size scale. WiTP was 60nm hexes, WiTP:AE is 42 mile hexes. Makes for a massive map, which, IIRC, covers more area than did the original. The map itself is more pleasing to the eye as well.
2. Different treatment of port size, port naval support, realistic refueling mechanics, realistic loading and unloading mechanics, etc.
3. More expansive OOB.
4. Pilot training mechanics are different. Much more detailed and superior in AE versus its predecessors.
5. Current support from Matrix games and an active forum. There are only a handful of relevant posts on the WITP forum in 2019. Most predate 2009.


Thanks, Chickenboy! That was what I was looking for!

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