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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 12/9/2019 5:37:20 PM

14yellow14

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Hi!

Weapon_299 NAVAL STRIKE MISSILE It can only attack surface ships in the latest database, in real life it can attack land targets:

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Sea and land mission
The primary missions for NSM� CDS are maritime interdictions against sea
targets from small and light ships made of Glass Fiber Reinforced Plastics (GFRP)
to large naval combatants like destroyers and frigates and ships with thick hull
like icebreakers.

Secondly, land targets are handled by the NSM� CDS. The land attack capability
is primarily based on use of the military GPS. Typical land targets are stationery, soft
targets like harboring depot buildings, command and control facilities, sensor
sites and air defence sites. Ships secured alongside jetty are categorized as a land
target, enabling a high precision harbor attack capability.

Please, add land attack capability!

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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 12/9/2019 6:54:15 PM

PN79

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Size Correction Request

Currently all Soviet UAVs have "aircraft size" set as "very large" despite difference between them - see:

#2570 Tu-123 UAV
- length 27,8 m
- wingspan 8,4 m
- aircraft size very large // this is fine

#2569 Tu-141 UAV
- length 14,3 m
- wingspan 3,9 m
- aircraft size very large // should be changed to medium

#2568 Tu-143 UAV
- length 8,1 m
- wingspan 2,2 m
- aircraft size very large // should be changed to small

#2571 Tu-243 UAV
- length 8,4 m
- wingspan 2,2 m
- aircraft size very large // should be changed to small

The main issue is that with very large size definition it cannot be used from small airfields as it cannot fit there. Thank you in advance.

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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 12/10/2019 10:32:23 AM

14yellow14

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Few suggestions for near future weapon systems, some already in service :)

SOUTH KOREA Add KSS-III DOSAN submarine please

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KSS-III Batch 1 submarines are fitted with eight 533-mm torpedo tubes for the new Tigershark wire-guided torpedo as well as 6x VLS (vertical launch system) tubes. They would accommodate a future cruise missile (the Cheon Ryong with a range of 1,500 Km) in development by LIG Nex1 while the launchers would be provided by Doosan. It was announced earlier in the program that Spanish company INDRA was selected to provide its electronic defense system (ESM) PEGASO and Babcock of the UK would design and manufacture the Weapon Handling System for the Batch-I submarines.

ITALY Add Trieste LHD and PPA frigates

SPAIN Add F-110 FFG Class and SH-60F (utility helicopter/No ASW) to the Spanish Navy

JAPAN Add F-15J upgrade "Super Japanese Interceptor" (AN/APG-82(v)1 multimode AESA and JASSM), add JSM for japanese F-35A (internal and external)

ISRAEL Add SPIKE NLOS for Apache D

SWEDEN Add A-26 SSK

AUSTRALIA Add Hunter Class FFG (AEGIS Type 26) and Attack Class SSK (Shortfin Barracuda)

UNITED KINGDOM Add Type 31 FFG and E-767 (E-3 Sentry replacement)

Thank you for this awesome work

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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 12/10/2019 3:32:02 PM

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Small correction: the single-unit airfield (1x 1401-200m runday) #1593 name states "large aircraft". However the db info indicated the runway can support very large aircraft.

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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 12/10/2019 7:08:36 PM

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quote:

Small correction: the single-unit airfield (1x 1401-200m runday) #1593 name states "large aircraft". However the db info indicated the runway can support very large aircraft.

Logged and fixed for next DB3K release.
-WS

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/10/2019 10:19:54 PM

stilesw

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quote:

Type is not ASW, it should be AEW from what I found.

Dominik,

Logged and updated for next DB3K release.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/12/2019 3:06:32 PM

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So with the help of Fizzy on the discord I managed to confirm that the SA-2 requires an optical fire control system in order to operate leaving units without said TV system unusable without additional radars. This is because the Spoon Rest C radar will only give intermittent tracking Data, every 3-8 seconds and lasting for only 1-3 seconds. This is too short for the missiles to use and the Fan Song does not activate until they are fired.

Here is what needs to be fixed:

The Fan Song C needs to be a FCR with air search added basically just take the settings from the Chinese clone of it, the Gin Sling B used by the HQ-2 and put those settings in for the Fan Song C. The Gin Song is a near identical clone so it should not have extra capabilities but it currently does which is why HQ-2 sites do not need a visual tracking system.

I know it seems insane that a system present in so many scenarios is actually broken but when it is operating alone and the TV camera is either destroyed or absent it truly is broken.

I did extensive testing using a variety of aircraft and ensuring the effect was the same with every aircraft from commercial to 5th gen and with absolutely no DECM or OECM present.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/12/2019 8:44:42 PM

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Really? As far as I'm aware the Fan Song-C radar is and was sufficiently able to track and acquire targets on all variants of the SA-2 it's equipped onto (the Spoon Rest-C radar was only used for long range target acquisition, it handed this information off to the Fan Song radar which got the actual lock shortly before the missile was fired.) In fact, from the references I've found an optical tracking system was only added as an upgrade on the Fan Song-E radar in order to enable use in a heavy jamming environment (and even then with limited usability.)

Although it is true that the Fan Song radar could theoretically be used to track targets like the Spoon Rest radar (albeit with only a fixed arc of coverage) it normally relied on external radars such as the Spoon Rest (with a superior detection range and a 360 degree arc of coverage) to cue it to any targets to begin tracking due to its inherent detection limitations, primarily relegating it to operate as a FCR.

So as far as I'm aware the DB sufficiently covers this facet of the later SA-2 systems, if you look at variants such as the #383 SA-2 or any of the SA-2 F's you'll see that they're properly equipped with a TV camera for manual tracking. If your intention is to state that the earlier SA-2 systems should have a TV guidance system equipped then it would be cool if you offered some sort of proof or sourcing on that fact, because I haven't found anything indicating that those earlier systems ever did have such a system employed.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/12/2019 10:04:34 PM

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I feel that you missed what I am trying to say. Let me clarify

The SA-2 as it exists within Command Modern Operations is incapable of engaging targets if it does not have target location data being fed to it by a 3rd party radar or possesses an optical tracking system.

I am aware that in the real world it does not need this which is exactly my point. The current setup is unrealistic and broken.

The HQ-2 works perfectly well because the Fan Song Clone it is using is set up in a different way than the Fan Song itself and this change allows it to track targets once they are detected and targeted and does not turn on only when a missile is fired. As a result it works perfectly fine while the illuminate on launch only Fan Song does not.

If you want to see for yourself place down a SA-2 from either Cuba or Syria pick the oldest versions present and see if you can get it to shoot down a plane. Do the same with another version but remove the optical tracker.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/12/2019 10:57:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LORDPrometheus

I feel that you missed what I am trying to say. Let me clarify

The SA-2 as it exists within Command Modern Operations is incapable of engaging targets if it does not have target location data being fed to it by a 3rd party radar or possesses an optical tracking system.

I am aware that in the real world it does not need this which is exactly my point. The current setup is unrealistic and broken.

The HQ-2 works perfectly well because the Fan Song Clone it is using is set up in a different way than the Fan Song itself and this change allows it to track targets once they are detected and targeted and does not turn on only when a missile is fired. As a result it works perfectly fine while the illuminate on launch only Fan Song does not.

If you want to see for yourself place down a SA-2 from either Cuba or Syria pick the oldest versions present and see if you can get it to shoot down a plane. Do the same with another version but remove the optical tracker.

You don't have to argues with him. He is not judge. Focus on devs. I learn lesson awhiles ago. They are nice and will help.

Thank!

Bill

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/12/2019 11:09:23 PM

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I believe I see the issue you may have been trying to convey, however it's not exactly what you said initially. Currently, all of the SA-2 variants (including all versions of the Chinese HQ-2) do not engage their FCR's to begin tracking a target. This is not because of a lack of a TV guidance system, but because the game itself is not telling the associated radars to come online and begin getting a lock (as they normally would once the cuing radar has determined that the target is within range of the FCR's higher resolution radar).

The SA-2 requires altitude information about its target before it can begin an engagement (something which would normally be given by an another third party height finding radar such as the P-11 Side Net or it's own Fan Song FCR once it's been cued towards the heading of the target by the P-12.) You'll see that once it has altitude information about its target that it will begin its engagements fine. So for now while this is still an issue just place down a P-11 Side Net or other similar height finding radar if you want your SAMs operating normally.

Also be mindful that the earlier variants of the SA-2 are very susceptible to jamming, so if you're testing with any units with onboard DECM or have an active jammer on the map the system will find it hard to lock them at a distance. In addition to the fact that lower RCS contrast targets like fighters vs large transport aircraft also affect the ability for these older radars to get a proper lock.

If you wish to respond to this please edit your last comment with your response rather than creating a new comment as that prevents tangential message spam. I will of course do the same with this one.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/12/2019 11:30:49 PM

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The #1319, #172, #1328, #1464, #2448, #2651, #1406, #3147, #1482, #1476, #2174, #1766, #1698, #1304, #213, #1651, #2571, #267, #1656, #1700, #2458, #2570, #2248, and #2420-2423 radars are all missing the Mk1 Eyeball sensor. These systems are not unmanned (they're in fact truck based mobile radar systems) so they would have people in them that I would presume are not blind, otherwise it'd probably be a bit difficult for them to be mobile (at least in the direction you'd want them to go.)

P-15 mobile radar

P-19 mobile radar

Sources: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/flat-face.htm , http://pvo.guns.ru/rtv/p15.htm , and https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-Low-Band-Radars.html

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/14/2019 12:07:30 AM

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All variants of the SA-5 facilities in the database except for the #476 Iranian SA-5 facility are missing the Mk1 Eyeball Sensor. All of the SA-5 facilities (except for #476) have ZU-23's in their weapon mounts, of which use the human eye combined with a basic reticle to aim.

ZU-23 in operation.

Close up image of the optical sight on a ZU-23

Sources: The CMO database (see sensor mounts for all ZU-23's), https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_army_light_heavy_weapons_uk/zu-23_zu-23-2_anti-aircraft_23mm_twin_gun_technical_data_sheet_specifications_information_descriptio.html , https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zu-23.htm , and https://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=277https://weaponsystems.net/weaponsystem/EE02%20-%20ZU-23.html

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/14/2019 2:14:09 AM

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P-8 Poseidon AN/APY-10 Radar should be able to identify the class of detected ships similar to NCTR Air to Air radars. Additionally it has 240 degree Field of view instead of 180 degree.

https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=115127

The Export AN/APY-10I for india includes an Air to Air mode as well.

https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=115057&x=.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/14/2019 2:23:50 PM

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Question on Tankers:

I noticed that the United States KC-135Es and Rs have both Centerline Boom and Centerline Drogue properties and seem to be able to refuel both boom-based and probe-based aircraft in the same mission. I was under the impression that IRL (circa 1991 at least), there was a conversion kit to turn the boom into a hose-and-drogue type, but then you could not use the boom while the kit was installed. It would seem then then that these tankers should have separate loadouts for boom refueling versus drogue refueling. I think underwing drogue pods came later? Anyone know more about this?

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/15/2019 5:02:19 AM

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The #457 Watch Tower facility is missing the Mk1 Eyeball sensor. Watch towers are manned by people, who have eyes. Otherwise it would be pretty hard to watch things. In addition, the lack of Mk1 Eyeballs would make it exceedingly difficult to accurately fire the #1695 12.7mm .50 caliber machine guns that are apart of the facility.

Notice the hollow space at the top of the structure for a human to reside and watch an area through the clear glass. Also see the prominent stairs that allow said human to access the room at the top of the structure.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/15/2019 1:24:27 PM

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Hellos

Look like new AO's for Italy (2020) and then France (2023).

When can please adds A 5335 Vulcano

https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/december/7802-first-sea-going-for-italian-navy-lss-vulcano-logistics-support-ship-in-december-2019.html
Wiki range, system and stats are consistent with other engineers stats.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulcano-class_logistic_support_ship
Range and speeds
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/vulcano-logistic-support-ship-lss/
Stores would be fuels to match italian ships and a magazine for bullets

Thank!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/15/2019 4:45:07 PM

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In DB v480, the Type 055 (#2834) has the type 346B radar. But it also still has the type 346A radar which should be removed.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/15/2019 5:01:55 PM

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quote:

In DB v480, the Type 055 (#2834) has the type 346B radar. But it also still has the type 346A radar which should be removed.

Currently retained for redundancy and future developments.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/16/2019 3:17:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: KC45

07 VLA
Japanese Supersonic Vertical Launch ASROC, Larger and Heavier than RUM-139 VLA.

General Data
Type:Guided Weapon
Length; 6.53m(6.535m in wiki,6.53m in picture below)
span: 0.7m (Data from RUM-139)
diameter:0.45m
Weight:1284kg (1.284t)
Guidance Type:Internally Guided
Cruise altitude:2000ft ASL,610m ASL(Based on RUM-139)
Climb Rate,S/L:(sry, I don't know how you guys decide here)

Range (anti-sub): 0,.5~16nm

Sub POH:95%(Based on RUM-139)

Properties:
BOL
INS Nav system
Level Cruise Flight

Warheads
Type97 GRX-4(DBID#314)
or
Type 12

VALID Targets
Subs

WRS
same as RUM-139

Propulsion
Engine:Rocket Fuel/Fuel:Rocket/Maxspeed:1000knts(1.60Mach) (the data of speed is just supersonic, 1.6Mach is not that hyper or hypo suggestion)

Performance Details
Band1,Cruise Speed/Altitude-0-6500ft/1000knts(1.60Mach)/Fuel Consumption:1 fuel points/second

Fuel
Fuel Type:Rocket Fuel/Quantity:2min (Based on RUM-139)

Weapons Carrior
Teruzuki [Akizuki-class] (akizuki-class's Akizuki has RUM-139 but from second ship, They equip this 07 VLA)
Asahi(DBID#3128)
Maya

Sources
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/seisaku/results/19/jigo/youshi/02.pdf (Japanese official Document of MOD,Ministery Of Defence)
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/seisaku/results/19/jigo/honbun/02.pdf (Japanese official Document of MOD,Ministery Of Defence)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_07_Vertical_Launch_Anti-submarine_rocket (wikipedia but I checked all data, and is correct)

Akizuki-class Suzutsuki's picture

I just want to change estimated value of 07VLA.
I checked the spec of 07VLA, and I noticed the size and weight of this weapon is similar to Sea Lance SUM(WeaponDBID 3154), rather than RUM-139 VLA. Both 07VLA and SeaLance are supersonic weapon, and have over 1t weight. 07 VLA is smaller, but it uses latest technology, so I guess they have same range of attack.
So estimated firing range of 07 VLA is 30~35nm.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/16/2019 6:26:17 AM

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The #3 Building (Control Tower) facility is missing the Mk.1 Eyeball sensor. As far as I'm aware this facility is intended to represent a generic control tower that has windows which allow for a 360 degree viewing arc, of which are staffed by a cadre of employees who are not blind (otherwise it would be near impossible for them to operate any of the equipment, unless I'm really out of the loop on the extent of handicap accessibility in most control towers.)

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/17/2019 1:17:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The #3 Building (Control Tower) facility is missing the Mk.1 Eyeball sensor. As far as I'm aware this facility is intended to represent a generic control tower that has windows which allow for a 360 degree viewing arc, of which are staffed by a cadre of employees who are not blind (otherwise it would be near impossible for them to operate any of the equipment, unless I'm really out of the loop on the extent of handicap accessibility in most control towers.)

The first sentence of that was useful, thanks.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/17/2019 4:43:00 AM

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The Javelin SAM is missing entirely from the database. It was a British SAM developed as an improvement on the Blowpipe MANPADS. It utilizes SACLOS guidance via a TV camera with 6x magnification and the missile has a top speed of 1133.46 knots with a range of 0.161-2.16 nautical miles. It can engage targets as low as 30 feet and as high as 6,561.66 feet, has a climb rate of 579 meters per second, the missile weighs 10.8862 kilograms with a dual purpose warhead with a combined blast HE and shaped charge (both weigh four pounds for a total of eight pounds or 3.82 kilograms) with both impact and proximity detonation, and it entered service in Britain in 1984. The missiles can be carried as a MANPADS or mounted onto a dedicated launcher called the Javelin LML (of which can be vehicle mounted or used as a static emplacement, it allows for three ready to fire missiles to be available to engage targets.)

It was exported to several nations; 500 were exported to South Korea in 1987, 200-500 were delivered to Peru in 1995, 280 were delivered to Oman in 1989, 60 were delivered to Malaysia in 1991, 1,100 were delivered to Canada in 1991 (it was retired in 2005), and 25 were delivered to Botswana in 1992.

Javelin LML (Lightweight Multiple Launcher) with three ready to fire missiles (one expended) in 1996.

Sources: SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, http://panzercho.egloos.com/2766672 , https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/javelin.htm , Jane's Land-Based Air Defence 2005�2006, ISBN 0-7106-2697-5 , https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=795 , https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm?ARC_ID=1073 , and https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/defense-systems/blowpipe/

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/17/2019 7:49:10 AM

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The entries for the various Tu-22M Backfires have the tail cannons loaded with chaff and flares. Maybe a radical non-lethal defence doctrine? ;)

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/17/2019 11:07:35 PM

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Now, now, I think that was a harmless bit of levity. Actually, come to think of it, should the airport control tower and the watchtower just have the Mk.1 eyeball or should they also have binoculars?

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ORIGINAL: apache85

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The #3 Building (Control Tower) facility is missing the Mk.1 Eyeball sensor. As far as I'm aware this facility is intended to represent a generic control tower that has windows which allow for a 360 degree viewing arc, of which are staffed by a cadre of employees who are not blind (otherwise it would be near impossible for them to operate any of the equipment, unless I'm really out of the loop on the extent of handicap accessibility in most control towers.)

The first sentence of that was useful, thanks.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/17/2019 11:34:51 PM

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In fact the use by Tu-22M (and others types) of the 23mm guns as decoy dispensers is a real capability:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gryazev-Shipunov_GSh-23

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/18/2019 7:17:02 AM

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My goodness, you're absolutely right!

However, shouldn't that then be a loadout option?

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/18/2019 12:01:08 PM

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I mean I would argue chaff and flares are more valuable for defense in a modern situation than a pair of rear facing 23mm guns but that's just my opinion

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 12/19/2019 12:09:22 AM

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The Starburst SAM is missing entirely from the database, it is a British SAM that supplemented and eventually replaced the Javelin MANPADS. The system was a derivative of the Javelin SAM, replacing the TV guidance with a beam riding laser guidance. It entered service with Britain in 1990 and in fact saw use as apart of the United Kingdom's 10 Air Defence Battery in Operation Desert Storm. The system was also exported to: Canada (100 units delivered in 1992), Kuwait (250 units delivered in 1995), and Malaysia (504 units delivered starting in 1995.)

The system came in the form of a MANPADS, the Starburst LML (Lightweight Multiple Launcher, with three ready to fire missiles), or in Britain's case a special mount on a Stormer tracked vehicle (with eight ready to fire missiles.) The missile has: a range of 0.270-2.16 nautical miles, an altitude engagement range of between 30-9,840 feet, dual purpose warheads with a combined blast HE and shaped charge (both weigh four pounds or 1.81 kilograms for a total of eight pounds or 3.82 kilograms) with both proximity and impact detonation, and a top speed of 1333.48 knots. Its sensors on the MANPADS consist of a image intensified sight system while the LML has a thermal imaging sight. The Stormer variants have the infrared Air Defense Alerting Device which can detect fixed wing targets at up to nine kilometers and helicopters at up to six kilometers with a 360 degree arc of coverage and -7 to +17 degrees elevation.

Starburst missile and MANPADS on display.

Starburst static LML

Starburst LML vehicle mount on a Landrover.

Stormer with Starburst missile system

Air Defense Alerting Device

Sources: https://www.forecastinternational.com/archive/disp_old_pdf.cfm?ARC_ID=1101 , https://www.flightglobal.com/starburst-system-is-battle-proven-in-gulf/18195.article , and https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/uk-complex-weapons/starstreak-high-velocity-missile-hvm/

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 12/19/2019 5:16:35 AM

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Merry Christmas! I'm fan of CMANO, DLC, and CMO. I have listed units that request to add to DB 3000 v 481.
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South Korea

Weapon

K-SAAM Haegung ship-based surface to air missile(2020, Similar to VL-MICA, quad pack)
Odontaspis ferox torpedo(2020, Korean version of Improved DM2A4)
SSM-XXXK(2020, Korean Super Sonic Anti-Ship missile, Similar to Brahmos)
KGGB(2019, Korea GPS Guided Bomb)
Navy

AOE-51 Soyyang
FFG-818 Daegu
MLS-570 Nampo

SS 083 Dosan Ahn Chang-ho

Aircraft

F-35[2022, AIM-120D(AIM-120C-8)]
F-15K[2019, AIM-120C-7]
KF-16C[F-16V upgraded,2020, AIM-120C-7]
KF-16D[F-16V upgraded,2020, AIM-120C-7]

Facility

KM-SAM PIP [2020, ABM capability]
Green Pine radar Block C [2022]

North Korea

Navy

SSB XX[Romeo Mod ballistic missile submarine]

Facility

KN-23[Similar to SS-26]
KN-24[Similar to ATACMS]
400mm MRL[KN-25?]
600mm MRL[KN-26?]

China

Navy

CV-17 Shandong
LHD-XX Type 075

Thailand

FFG-471 Bhumibol Adulyadej[2019, DW-3000F]

Philippine

FF-150 BRP Jose Rizal[2020, HDF-2600]

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