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GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/11/2020 6:45:38 PM

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Here is an opener for the Optionals (except extended game length should be off). What are your must haves/likes/don't cares?

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 7:09:48 PM

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Warspite1, for me looks good for the most part with only a few items I'd like to discuss:

1. I propose that we manually enforce (i.e., house rule), "USSR-Japan Compulsory peace".

2. 1D10 w/Blitz Bonus vs 2D10. My preference is 2D10, but I'll definitely be willing to go with the majority on this.

3. Cruisers in Flames. I believe this to be highly pro-allied. As part of the allied team I'm certainly ok with using it; but is it too much? As the USSR/Natchi/Comchi I'm really unaffected by it either way so maybe I should leave this to you three to discuss.

4. Chinese Attack Weakness. Definitely pro-axis. I have a feeling as the Chinese player that I'll be directly facing a more experienced and skilled player than myself (i.e., WILHELM_slith as the Japanese), so I'll defer to him on whether or not he believes this optional is necessary. I can go either way ...

5. Variable reorg. I like this optional, but believe it impacts the Euro-Axis and Western Allied players more, so I'm ok with whatever the other (2 or 3) players decide.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 7:39:35 PM

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Warspite1, for me looks good for the most part with only a few items I'd like to discuss:

1. I propose that we manually enforce (i.e., house rule), "USSR-Japan Compulsory peace".

Agreed

2. 1D10 w/Blitz Bonus vs 2D10. My preference is 2D10, but I'll definitely be willing to go with the majority on this.

Never used it but its about time I gave it a go so fine with me

3. Cruisers in Flames. I believe this to be highly pro-allied. As part of the allied team I'm certainly ok with using it; but is it too much? As the USSR/Natchi/Comchi I'm really unaffected by it either way so maybe I should leave this to you three to discuss.

As the Japanese I'll let Wilhelm comment. I don't mind because I LOVE ships even though its pro Allied - but whatever the majority go with.

4. Chinese Attack Weakness. Definitely pro-axis. I have a feeling as the Chinese player that I'll be directly facing a more experienced and skilled player than myself (i.e., WILHELM_slith as the Japanese), so I'll defer to him on whether or not he believes this optional is necessary. I can go either way ...

From what I've seen this game needs this

5. Variable reorg. I like this optional, but believe it impacts the Euro-Axis and Western Allied players more, so I'm ok with whatever the other (2 or 3) players decide.

Personally would prefer not.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 7:40:54 PM

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Warspite1, for me looks good for the most part with only a few items I'd like to discuss:

1. I propose that we manually enforce (i.e., house rule), "USSR-Japan Compulsory peace".

2. 1D10 w/Blitz Bonus vs 2D10. My preference is 2D10, but I'll definitely be willing to go with the majority on this.

3. Cruisers in Flames. I believe this to be highly pro-allied. As part of the allied team I'm certainly ok with using it; but is it too much? As the USSR/Natchi/Comchi I'm really unaffected by it either way so maybe I should leave this to you three to discuss.

4. Chinese Attack Weakness. Definitely pro-axis. I have a feeling as the Chinese player that I'll be directly facing a more experienced and skilled player than myself (i.e., WILHELM_slith as the Japanese), so I'll defer to him on whether or not he believes this optional is necessary. I can go either way ...

5. Variable reorg. I like this optional, but believe it impacts the Euro-Axis and Western Allied players more, so I'm ok with whatever the other (2 or 3) players decide.

What house-rules have you played with in regards to Russo-Japanese war?

I have only played 2d10 landcombat for a long time but I vaguely remember playing with both a D10 and even a D6. I remember thinking that 2 dice are better than 1 but I have no strong opionion on the matter.

I like Cruisers in Flames as it gets more dynamic with more units but that is probably because I am thinking from a CW perspective already!

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 7:46:34 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

quote:

ORIGINAL: rkr1958

Warspite1, for me looks good for the most part with only a few items I'd like to discuss:

1. I propose that we manually enforce (i.e., house rule), "USSR-Japan Compulsory peace".

2. 1D10 w/Blitz Bonus vs 2D10. My preference is 2D10, but I'll definitely be willing to go with the majority on this.

3. Cruisers in Flames. I believe this to be highly pro-allied. As part of the allied team I'm certainly ok with using it; but is it too much? As the USSR/Natchi/Comchi I'm really unaffected by it either way so maybe I should leave this to you three to discuss.

4. Chinese Attack Weakness. Definitely pro-axis. I have a feeling as the Chinese player that I'll be directly facing a more experienced and skilled player than myself (i.e., WILHELM_slith as the Japanese), so I'll defer to him on whether or not he believes this optional is necessary. I can go either way ...

5. Variable reorg. I like this optional, but believe it impacts the Euro-Axis and Western Allied players more, so I'm ok with whatever the other (2 or 3) players decide.

What house-rules have you played with in regards to Russo-Japanese war?

I have only played 2d10 landcombat for a long time but I vaguely remember playing with both a D10 and even a D6. I remember thinking that 2 dice are better than 1 but I have no strong opionion on the matter.

I like Cruisers in Flames as it gets more dynamic with more units but that is probably because I am thinking from a CW perspective already!

warspite1

No house rules I don't think - play as per RAC with USSR-Japan Compulsory Peace in play.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 7:50:12 PM

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So subject to Wilhem's input am I right in saying we have:

1. Japan-USSR as per RAC with compulsory peace

2. 2D10

3. Cruisers In Flames TBC

4. Chinese attack weakness

5. Variable/non-variable re-org TBC

And Mayhemizer reminded me:

6. Prefer no CAP

7. Always assume subs not included in port attacks on major ports

Are we all on the latest version of the game? 3.1.0.1

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 8:00:00 PM

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Where do I see latest version? The updater says I am using the latest version.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 8:02:25 PM

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I'll leave that for someone knowledgeable to answer - I always have to get a grown up to help with the technical stuff. I seem to recall there was a patch or something after the latest version - but I'm probably talking cobblers

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 8:15:26 PM

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I strongly prefer the 2d10 table.I think cruisers in flames should not be used, but i can live with that.
If the Chinese player is not an expert the Chinese attack weakness is not necessary.
The other rules look good to me.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 8:23:06 PM

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So can we settle on:

1. Japan-USSR as per RAC with compulsory peace - ON

2. 2D10 - ON

3. Cruisers In Flames - OFF

4. Chinese attack weakness - OFF

5. Variable re-org - OFF

6. CAP - OFF

House rule
Always assume subs not included in port attacks on major ports

If so and we are all on the latest version of the game? 3.1.0.1 then whoever is the US player can start the game rolling! I'll PM my e-mail address. Can others do the same please?

Here is the link for the die roller

http://www.pbegames.com/roller/

AXIS:
Germany/Italy - warspite1
Japan - WILHELM_Slith

ALLIES:
Please confirm

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 8:51:03 PM

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Let's keep Chinese attack weakness. I'm good with everything else.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 8:55:15 PM

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For fair game.Does everyone understand that in a PBEM game players can influence which starting units they get? If you dont like the start army list you get. Restart the save and do it over and over till you get what you like. It works the same when you're building units at end of turn.
If some players dont know how this works they have a big problem. If everybody knows it, its just an advantage all can use. And thats fair.
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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:01:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

Where do I see latest version? The updater says I am using the latest version.

The MWiF version is on the initial splash screen when you first start up MWiF.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

No house rules I don't think - play as per RAC with USSR-Japan Compulsory Peace in play.

Yes.
USSR Japan Compulsory Peace [RAW option 50 section 13.7.3]

This optional rule reflects the willingness of both the USSR and Japan to remain at peace with each other
during WW II. Though they had been fighting a mostly unreported little war along the Manchurian border for
some time prior to Germany's invasion of Poland, they both felt a lot of pressure on other fronts: from Germany
for the USSR and from the USA and the Commonwealth for Japan. Agreeing to peace with each other was in
both of their self-interests.

If Japan controls Vladivostok during the first war between Japan and the USSR, the Japanese player must
agree to a peace if the Soviet player wants one. Similarly, if the USSR controls 3 or more resources that were
Japanese controlled at the start of the war, the Soviet player must agree to a peace if the Japanese player
wants one.

In either case, the new Russo-Japanese border is established by the hexes each controls at the time of the
compulsory peace. Any pocket of non-coastal hexes wholly surrounded by hexes controlled by the other major
power becomes controlled by the major power whose hexes surround them.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:04:13 PM

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For fair game.Does everyone understand that in a PBEM game players can influence which starting units they get? If you dont like the start army list you get. Restart the save and do it over and over till you get what you like. It works the same when you're building units at end of turn.
If some players dont know how this works they have a big problem. If everybody knows it, its just an advantage all can use. And thats fair.
Willem

Ok ... but I propose we use an honor system where we don't do that. Or at least I plan not to.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:21:45 PM

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Ronnie is playing Russia, China and C.China
I will be playing USA, CW and France.

As for the version I am on the wrong version. I assume I need to get the Beta-version of the update and then find the hotpatch.

As I am the US-player starting the game I assume I start it as a solitaire game?
I agree with Ronnie about not reloading startingunits, we play with the cards we are dealt!

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:26:42 PM

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Just sent a PM to all three of you which included my email address.

If we're all set then I guess it's up to my partner, who's the US/France/CW to start the game and begin the setup.

Good luck to you all.

Oh, I guess die (dice) rolling service. Which one and where do I sign up?

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ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

Ronnie is playing Russia, China and C.China
I will be playing USA, CW and France.

As for the version I am on the wrong version. I assume I need to get the Beta-version of the update and then find the hotpatch.

As I am the US-player starting the game I assume I start it as a solitaire game?
I agree with Ronnie about not reloading startingunits, we play with the cards we are dealt!

Yes, solitaire. Also, for the version. Go to https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4736334 to get the latest full public beta 3.01.00.00 (very first post) and to https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4739859 to get the hotpatch 3.01.00.01, which is just an executable that you copy over the one from 3.01.00.00.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:28:24 PM

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OK cards we are dealt it is. The USA player starts a solitaire game. When done setup mail the save to the next player.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:38:33 PM

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Last thing ... I think we need a snazzier name for our AAR. I've always like the word counter-factual ever since I first heard it, which hasn't been that long ago.

I propose that we name our game, the Global War Counter-Factual AAR.

Or maybe just the Counter-Factual AAR.

What do you think?

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:42:37 PM

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It sounds perfect!
The game is underway and I am in contact with my ally about lendlease. I will do my set-up of the US and PM you all my e-mail.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 9:49:26 PM

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It sounds perfect!
The game is underway and I am in contact with my ally about lendlease. I will do my set-up of the US and PM you all my e-mail.

Ok. I'll start a thread then and post your question about lend lease and my response so those at home can follow.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 10:33:39 PM

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1. How are we to do the dice rolls?

2. FYI. Seeing that I'm in the central time zone (Northern Alabama, USA) and you three are in Great Britain and Europe, then it looks to me that my gaming reactions for this game will be in the range between late morning though early evening. Of course, on most weekends this shouldn't be a problem. And after March 12, 2020 when I retire it won't be a problem either for most week days.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 10:39:05 PM

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I am off to bed chaps! It is almost 1am here!
Great to have this started!

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 11:10:04 PM

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I am off to bed chaps! It is almost 1am here!
Great to have this started!

Goodnight! Just finished with the Soviet setup.

Warspite, back to you. I've justed PM you with the game file attached. Please PM me back when you get to chance with the email address you'd like me to use to send you game files.

Or should we setup a drop box somewhere for this?

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/11/2020 11:16:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

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ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

I am off to bed chaps! It is almost 1am here!
Great to have this started!

Goodnight! Just finished with the Soviet setup.

Warspite, back to you. I've justed PM you with the game file attached. Please PM me back when you get to chance with the email address you'd like me to use to send you game files.

Or should we setup a drop box somewhere for this?

I'm an idiot. Just saw your email to me with your address. Sorry. Will use that one.

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/12/2020 2:08:28 AM

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For fair game.Does everyone understand that in a PBEM game players can influence which starting units they get? If you dont like the start army list you get. Restart the save and do it over and over till you get what you like. It works the same when you're building units at end of turn.
If some players dont know how this works they have a big problem. If everybody knows it, its just an advantage all can use. And thats fair.
Willem

warspite1

Lol - I'm such a dullard - I had honestly never even thought of doing that....

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RE: New Game (Title TBA) W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp - 2/12/2020 2:09:36 AM

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Just sent a PM to all three of you which included my email address.

If we're all set then I guess it's up to my partner, who's the US/France/CW to start the game and begin the setup.

Good luck to you all.

Oh, I guess die (dice) rolling service. Which one and where do I sign up?

quote:

ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

Ronnie is playing Russia, China and C.China
I will be playing USA, CW and France.

As for the version I am on the wrong version. I assume I need to get the Beta-version of the update and then find the hotpatch.

As I am the US-player starting the game I assume I start it as a solitaire game?
I agree with Ronnie about not reloading startingunits, we play with the cards we are dealt!

Yes, solitaire. Also, for the version. Go to https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4736334 to get the latest full public beta 3.01.00.00 (very first post) and to https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4739859 to get the hotpatch 3.01.00.01, which is just an executable that you copy over the one from 3.01.00.00.

warspite1

Here

http://www.pbegames.com/roller/

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GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/12/2020 2:32:39 AM

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So here is the game: Global War Counter-Factual

Allies
rkr1958: Soviet Union, China and Communist China
jesperpehrson: USA, CW and France

Axis
warspite1: Germany and Italy
WILHELM_Slith: Japan

Version: 3.1.0.1

Okay so here are the optionals:

Japan-USSR as per RAC with compulsory peace
No CAP
Always assume subs not included in port attacks on major ports

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GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/12/2020 2:39:22 AM

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Sep/Oct 1939
Impulse: Set-up (Italy)

I keep the Italian scraps fairly light I think

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GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 2/12/2020 2:57:11 AM

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Sep/Oct 1939
Impulse: Set-up (Italy)

The set up is fairly conventional I think. The forces in East Africa have been told to apply pressure to Allied holdings in the region. The navy is in La Spezia en masse and Balbo is menacing on the Egyptian border.