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ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 7:44:40 AM   
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But can ACM maintain minefields in open water or shallow water. Or they can only function in ports. The reason I am asking is for area denial. If in shallow straits we can maintain minefields it could be beneficial for Pest control (I mean submarine control ;) )

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 10:12:12 AM   
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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 10:24:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Historically was there operations to manage mines in shallow waters.

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 12:27:20 PM   
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Historically was there operations to manage mines in shallow waters.


It seems probably that decay rates in AE are higher than were experienced in real life. The Baltic Sea was practically one giant minefield (see attachment), and many of them are still there. Most of those minefields were not in ports, existed in shallow waters, and were not regularly maintained.

That said, WitP (the AE predecessor) was often referred to as "Mines in the Pacific", so from a game perspective the system works much better in AE.




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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 12:39:52 PM   
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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 12:47:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		As a public service announcement, "white phosphor, used in incendiary munitions and for smoke shells, is floating up in bits which are then washed ashore along the south Baltic coast in the same way amber is. It's a real problem for those collecting amber on the beaches, as it looks quite similar to amber and self-ignites when dry".

And of course, the fire can't be extinguished by water, so if you placed this thing in your pocket.....

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 1:46:33 PM   
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Mines are so WWI.


One example being the extensive minefield laid across the North Sea as part of the blockade of Germany. The German mining of the coastal areas (open waters) of UK during WW2 sank quite a few ships. As did the British along the French coast and in the Channel.

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 4:57:17 PM   
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Mines are so WWI.



But they still work, even the moored mines mixed with modern influence mines that are stealthy and equipped with different sensors and algorithms to trigger them.



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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 5:47:35 PM   
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Mines are so WWI.



But they still work, even the moored mines mixed with modern influence mines that are stealthy and equipped with different sensors and algorithms to trigger them.



Even a thrown rock, a stick, or a club can kill.

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 6:17:36 PM   
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Mines are so WWI.



But they still work, even the moored mines mixed with modern influence mines that are stealthy and equipped with different sensors and algorithms to trigger them.



Even a thrown rock, a stick, or a club can kill.

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 6:43:02 PM   
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Mines are so WWI.



But they still work, even the moored mines mixed with modern influence mines that are stealthy and equipped with different sensors and algorithms to trigger them.



Even a thrown rock, a stick, or a club can kill.



Meaning what?


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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/7/2020 6:48:21 PM   
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Mines are so WWI.



But they still work, even the moored mines mixed with modern influence mines that are stealthy and equipped with different sensors and algorithms to trigger them.



Even a thrown rock, a stick, or a club can kill.



Meaning what?


Even if it is old technology, it can still hurt or ruin your whole day.

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/8/2020 1:50:55 AM   
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Mines are so WWI.



But they still work, even the moored mines mixed with modern influence mines that are stealthy and equipped with different sensors and algorithms to trigger them.



Even a thrown rock, a stick, or a club can kill.



Meaning what?


Even if it is old technology, it can still hurt or ruin your whole day.



Remember when the Soviet's electronics were so far behind the West, their valve technology actually made their stuff more resistant to EMP?

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RE: ACM on open sea - 3/8/2020 4:11:38 AM   
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Mines are so WWI.



But they still work, even the moored mines mixed with modern influence mines that are stealthy and equipped with different sensors and algorithms to trigger them.



Even a thrown rock, a stick, or a club can kill.



Meaning what?


Even if it is old technology, it can still hurt or ruin your whole day.



Remember when the Soviet's electronics were so far behind the West, their valve technology actually made their stuff more resistant to EMP?

Even more bizarre, our old DEW line radars used tube technology and the only country they could get replacement tubes from was ... Russia.

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