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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:34:54 PM   
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Sounds like a Scripture reference, MakeeLearn.

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my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans

I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:35:05 PM   
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That might've been MakeeLearn?



I did make a "RUN" on spices!!! I got 2 each of what I use.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:37:18 PM   
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Sounds like a Scripture reference, MakeeLearn.

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my local walmart run out of toilet paper, pasta, tuna cans

I was able to buy a lot of food, but things are going to get creative once I finish my last TP roll in a few days



Sponges, water with a little vinegar ?





I was thinking the Scripture reference of it the other day. It was what the Romans used, I believe.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:41:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Watching data come in hour by hour is pretty brutal because usually it will take at least three days of consistency to establish a trend with any degree of confidence.

Nevertheless, the data coming from Italy remains a key to understanding progression and containment. So I'll be looking at that today (yesterday it came in about 1 p.m. eastern (USA) time).

In the meantime, new cases in Spain, France, Germany, USA and lots of other counties are on the rising (discouraging) side of the bell-shaped-curve. Knowing when Italy tops out and then begins to decline (as South Korea did about 10 days back) is meaningful info.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:44:26 PM   
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I heard anecdotal reports yesterday from my mother via her friends, on a road trip through the west. They said that in Arizona (and everywhere they'd been so far) it's all business as usual with restaurants open, tourists at sites, and little evidence this is happening at all.

Has that changed since the recent encouragements for restrictions by the Federal govt? Mixed reports from a friend in Philly last night. Fingers crossed people pay attention and act to reduce transmission.

Yes. Can't give you numbers but at least many restaurants are closed. At least some are doing take-out only.

An elderly (87 yo) friend was visit friends in Green Valley yesterday (south of Tucson), which is a big retirement town, and said there are no restaurants open there.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:44:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		CORONA CHAOS Coronavirus LIVE news: UK airports could shut ‘within weeks’ – latest updates
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11176662/coronavirus-live-news-updates-cases/
17 Mar 2020, 13:44



"LONDON's transport network could come to a near halt as Britain is gripped by the coronavirus lockdown with the English capital at the centre of the outbreak.

Britain has entered lockdown with millions of Brits staying at home and over-70s being urged to shield themselves from the outside world.

Medical advisers have warned that Britain's coronavirus death toll, currently at 55, will soar to 260,000 unless the lockdown is made stricter."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:51:01 PM   
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KFC Suspends Its "Finger Lickin' Good" Slogan Amid Coronavirus Outbreak
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/kfc-suspends-its-finger-lickin-good-slogan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak

Kentucky Fried Chicken is stepping up to the plate and doing what it can to help the coronavirus outbreak, suspending its world famous "finger lickin' good" slogan at a time when nobody should be advocating for licking their fingers

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:53:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The USA benefitted from being a bit later in virus onset (in most places) and getting to see what was going on in Europe and how things were being handled. As a result, federal, state and local governments began taken strong action comparatively early and in some ways we've caught up to Western Europe (and perhaps surpassed some, in some ways).

That may not be the case with all states, like Washington State which saw an early outbreak back in February and dealt with far more uncertainty in what to do.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:55:48 PM   
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I heard anecdotal reports yesterday from my mother via her friends, on a road trip through the west. They said that in Arizona (and everywhere they'd been so far) it's all business as usual with restaurants open, tourists at sites, and little evidence this is happening at all.

Has that changed since the recent encouragements for restrictions by the Federal govt? Mixed reports from a friend in Philly last night. Fingers crossed people pay attention and act to reduce transmission.

Yes. Can't give you numbers but at least many restaurants are closed. At least some are doing take-out only.

An elderly (87 yo) friend was visit friends in Green Valley yesterday (south of Tucson), which is a big retirement town, and said there are no restaurants open there.

I should have commented further, schools are closed, universities are doing remote/Internet classes, etc. Not business as usual at all.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:55:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Death toll from COVID-19 rises as N.J. imposes statewide restrictions, closes schools

https://whyy.org/articles/n-j-gov-murphy-announces-statewide-8-p-m-curfew/

"New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy has announced statewide restrictions beginning 8 p.m. Monday that will severely limit business operations and discourage individual travel in an extraordinary effort to slow the spread of the novel Coronavirus."


" Sad to announce our third death of an individual with #COVID19 – a male in his 90s who was being treated at @HackensackUMC in Bergen County. Our prayers are with his family during this difficult time.

— Governor Phil Murphy (@GovMurphy) March 17, 2020"


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:57:06 PM   
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The USA benefitted from being a bit later in virus onset (in most places) and getting to see what was going on in Europe and how things were being handled. As a result, federal, state and local governments began taken strong action comparatively early and in some ways we've caught up to Western Europe (and perhaps surpassed some, in some ways).

That may not be the case with all states, like Washington State which saw an early outbreak back in February and dealt with far more uncertainty in what to do.


We do have that advantage, but IMO, we have squandered some of that through mis-management of testing. Truth is we have no way of knowing right now how widespread it is.

We are also behind in respirators; the US has a Strategic Reserve of Medical devices that includes respirators. We need to not only be deploying those right now, but also training additional staff in their use. In fact, we should be training additional medical help staff right now. We can't train up more nurses and doctors, but we can provide some basic training to Guardsmen and others to help in an emergency.

It's almost a certainty that as the hospitals admit more patients, there will be fewer nurses, because a) some will get sick, and b) 38% of the Nurses in this country have school-age children; some of those need to watch their kids!!!!

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:58:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		BREAKING: Federal government to control and oversee grocery distribution with govt / private sector partnerships: Wal-Mart, Costco, Target, Kroger, top grocery chains to be deemed “critical infrastructure” … National Guard to protect key distribution points

Sunday, March 15, 2020
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-03-15-federal-government-to-control-grocery-distribution-national-guard.html

"The US federal government is in the planning stage of implementing a plan to protect and control grocery distribution across the United States via public / private partnerships with top grocery chains such as Wal-Mart, Kroger, HEB (Texas), Target, Costco, etc., high-level sources now tell Natural News. The effort is being made to ensure the smooth delivery of food supplies to the public as a Coronavirus lockdown is about to commence on a regional basis, and food supplies are necessary to prevent social unrest, lawlessness and looting."




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 1:59:15 PM   
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I came back from Liberia a couple of weeks ago. Decided intentionally not to stop by my friends and parents in Italy and I went directly to Prague, where my partner lives.

Now I'm stuck there with no apparent possibility to go back to Africa anytime soon. Remote working and everything closed.


In the meanwhile, since coronavirus is too mainstream, I had to go to the hospital where they do treat people for coronavirus here in Czech Republic because I was having a moderate dengue. Of course, since I'm also very lucky (...), the only tropical disease department in the country is the one treating coronavirus. They are doing very well, but I wasn't that happy to be stuck there for quite a while.

The only positive aspect so far is that me and my opponent we doubled the amount of turns per day

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 2:01:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, there were missteps. But we've really ramped things up of late, mostly because we were fortunate to get to learn from others.

The number of actual cases can be a difficult one to work with, but mortality is much more useful. That statistic is usually a "confirmed" one. Even then, though, there are important variables in underlying conditions, age, etc.

But we do know enough to know the outbreak does seem to follow a bell-shaped-curve subject to manipulation by all kinds of factors, including environment, countermeasures, health care, etc.

As for ventilators, US production capacity and training will handle that well in all probability. Any flattening of the curve will be a key there.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 2:08:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		America must confront ‘how we’re going to live with’ Coronavirus, disease specialist says
Mar 17 2020

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/coronavirus-us-must-confront-how-were-going-to-live-with-it-expert-says.html


"The coronavirus will be here for “many, many months” and the country must decide on a path forward, infectious disease specialist Michael Osterholm told CNBC on Tuesday.

“Do we envision an America that for the next 18 months will be in complete lockdown?” Osterholm asked.

The virus has now infected more than 4,661 people across the U.S., killing at least 85 people, according to Johns Hopkins University."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 2:16:48 PM   
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https://www.news4jax.com/health/2020/03/16/drive-thru-coronavirus-testing-coming-to-jacksonville-mayor-says/


"JACKSONVILLE, Fla. – Ascension St. Vincent’s began offering drive-thru coronavirus testing Tuesday morning for people who think they might have been exposed.

The hospital said testing hours will vary, but the site opened at 8 a.m. Tuesday."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 2:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sweeping restrictions take effect in coronavirus response as health officials warn US is at a tipping point
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/us-coronavirus-updates-tuesday/index.html
Tue March 17, 2020

""You have to think of this in a wartime world view," New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said Monday. "You have to think of this as something where you're going to see a massive mobilization to save lives, to help people through their suffering with this disease.""

"Meanwhile, states such as New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Michigan and Wisconsin put a ban this week on gatherings of 50 people or more."





I've been joking for weeks that war started in January

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 2:36:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll spare you the links since it's happening everywhere, but jury duty and trials are being suspended all across the country. Apparently the "right to a speedy trial" isn't such an important right after all. Which other rights aren't so important? It shouldn't matter whether you are liberal or conservative, dangerous precedents are being set.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 2:44:18 PM   
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/03/what-price-chloroquine.php

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 2:58:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ten days after passing the peak of the bell-shaped-curve, recoveries in South Korea are rapidly increasing. That country has had 84 deaths and 1401 recoveries, which is 33 more deaths and nearly 1300 more recoveries than a week ago.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 3:05:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going through this thread at length, looking for a particular post I made. While doing so, I came across this from 3/9 (eight days ago) referring to South Korea.


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

In coming weeks it should be interesting to see how the "recovery" numbers climb for countries that have been dealing with the virus for weeks or a month.

At present, South Korea has a small number of recoveries, a small number of deaths (relatively speaking) and a large number of active cases. A lot of those active cases are a week or more old now; soon, they should begin to transition to mostly recoveries and a small percentage of deaths.

China has 59k of the world's 62k recoveries, to date, skewed because China dealt with it first. That should begin to change, possibly as soon as this week, as cases in countries like Japan, South Korea, and even Italy and Iran should begin to have sufficient age to begin transitioning to one of the two final statistical categories.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 3:14:52 PM   
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Ten days after passing the peak of the bell-shaped-curve, recoveries in South Korea are rapidly increasing. That country has had 84 deaths and 1401 recoveries, which is 33 more deaths and nearly 1300 more recoveries than a week ago.


In western democracies, a lockdown is only going to work for a short period, and it's really imperative that we use that time to lay the groundwork for opening society back up along the lines of the South Korean model. People who are talking about lockdowns lasting for months and months are insane.

The healthcare system isn't the only one that has a finite capacity, the same is true of the criminal justice system. What WILL millions of young people do when they can't work or socialize for months and months? I'd rather not find out.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 3:18:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		People are panicking because the stream of news is currently 100% negative.

As soon as some positive news comes in, the panic will settle down. Then it will gradually fade, as the situation stabilizes or improves in Italy, the rest of Europe and then the USA.

We're not going to be in lock down for months.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 3:27:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The "scary" period of exponential growth is following the bell-shaped-curve in every country (of course it is; duh). Those periods vary in duration and severity, but (to this point) not wildly.

In China, the exponential growth period lasted about a month.

In South Korea, it last for less than three weeks.

Those are manageable/endurable. Those are not apocalyptic. Will the west endure far longer/steeper outbreaks? That remains to be seen, but it does seem somewhat questionable give the quality of healthcare, the benefit from additional studies/results, the additional time we had before pandemic kicked in, the more quickly emergency sanctions were imposed (varying in degree and timing from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but fairly pronounced), and possibly other factors.

Italy is now 2.5 weeks into the pandemic cycle. Will it match South Korea or China or, for some reason, extend well beyond. That's key info.





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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 3:31:42 PM   
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Mar 17, 2020

https://www.foodprocessing.com/industrynews/2020/coronavirus-supply-woes-attributed-to-panic-not-shortage/


"Politicians, grocers and processors are all insisting that there is an adequate overall supply of food, and that any shortages or disruptions are due to the normal flow of the supply chain being inadequate to cope with the sudden surge in demand."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 3:37:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		We'll see. Spain already announced "more than 15 days" and Italy doesn't even have an end date. So long as cases are rising, there will be enormous political pressure not to end it, regardless of the economic or societal impacts. As in other things, Italy will show what's coming. Every day that passes, more cracks will emerge. I'm not being Cassandra here, RFalvo69 told us yesterday that it's already starting:

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Regarding the lockdown, the situation for those in forced quarantine is (as I expected) deteriorating. The first days were "easy". Yes, apparently hard, but you felt that you were doing your part to help your country, sacrificing your liberties for the greater good (chest beating). Except that we are not even halfway in this emergency, and it would seem that patriotism is a finite commodity.

Now I look at Twitter, and the trendings are slowly transiting from (I'm translating) #Istayhome, #firstyourhealththenyourliberty, #IamDredd (regarding those "irresponsibles" they saw in the streets outside the window) to #Governmentofshame, #Contegohome and #Theyjailedus. I guess that they run out of shampoo.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 3:41:36 PM   
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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 4:07:05 PM   
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2020-01-22

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/22/c_138726808.htm


""Italy represents a top destination for Chinese visitors to Europe, overcoming France, Germany and Spain," Italian Culture and Tourism Ministry Undersecretary Lorenza Bonaccorsi said."

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 4:08:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Italy becomes first Western European nation to sign up for China’s belt and road plan
23 Mar, 2019

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3002986/china-wants-invest-ports-maritime-transport-italy-xi-jinping

"Italy has signed up for China’s multibillion-dollar “Belt and Road Initiative”, becoming the first Western European nation to jump on board despite scepticism from its EU counterparts and Washington."


"(From left) Chinese President Xi Jinping, Foreign Minister Wang Yi, Italian Labour and Industry Minister Luigi Di Maio and Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte at the signing ceremony in Rome on Saturday. Photo: AFP(From left) Chinese President Xi Jinping, Foreign Minister Wang Yi, Italian Labour and Industry Minister Luigi Di Maio and Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte at the signing ceremony in Rome on Saturday. Photo: AFP
(From left) Chinese President Xi Jinping, Foreign Minister Wang Yi, Italian Labour and Industry Minister Luigi Di Maio and Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte at the signing ceremony in Rome on Saturday. Photo: AFP

Italy has signed up for China’s multibillion-dollar “Belt and Road Initiative”, becoming the first Western European nation to jump on board despite scepticism from its EU counterparts and Washington.

Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte and Chinese President Xi Jinping witnessed the signing of a memorandum of understanding on Beijing’s trade and infrastructure scheme on Saturday in Rome.

Among the 29 other agreements signed were two port management deals between China Communications Construction and the ports of Trieste, situated in the northern Adriatic Sea, and Genoa, Italy’s biggest seaport.

While Genoa is a long-established port, Trieste has the most potential for China, Italian government sources earlier told the South China Morning Post."


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 3/17/2020 4:59:12 PM   
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Mar 17 202012:23 PM EDT

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/17/us-coronavirus-cases-surpass-5000-up-fivefold-from-a-week-ago.html


"Confirmed COVID-19 cases surpassed 5,000 in the U.S. on Tuesday as the new flu-like coronavirus sweeps across the country.

Public health officials confirmed the virus had infected more than 1,000 people in the U.S. one week ago.

The virus has now been reported in every state except for West Virginia, according to the CDC."

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