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EiA Newby Blunders - 7/18/2003 5:50:35 PM   
Forward_March

 

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Status: offline 		Do you remember your first game, and your first big blunder?

I was playing Russia. I thought I'd make a nuisance of myself in the Mediterranean, so I put two of my three fleets in Corfu. Only too late did I realize that the Corfu Defenses were only 20 guns. Those pesky British! Well, you can imagine what happened.
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- 7/18/2003 6:25:06 PM   
John Umber

 

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Status: offline 		Is the Brittish always so aggressive?

In most of my games are the Brittish rather nice with the other nations EXCEPT France. It is bad policy to destroy all navies just for the hell of it. True the French, Spanich and Turkish navies has target painted all over them... but the Russian?

I don't think I played a single game where the Brittish smashed the Russian navy. The Brittish need the Russian usually to badly.

Just considering.

Another bad move. Russia attackin Turkey directly, without Austria. Not a very good gamble. That Turkish cavalry killed many Russian infantry those early days... plus the Russians were never helping Prussia-Austria. I remember Austria asking for Turkish assistance instead of Russian!

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- 7/18/2003 7:24:17 PM   
Forward_March

 

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Status: offline 		Well...I'll tell ya...I've seen the British player make everyone else so upset that the entire board joined France against Britain long enough to land French troops on British soil. The Brit player quit that game. LOL

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- 7/18/2003 8:27:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		My first game, I play Austria. I joined firm alliance with Prussia and Russia. France was not as agressive, as it needs to be, so after a few months our joint armies are nearing Paris!
In our rear we kept one Austrian and one Prussian Corps, a few Polish infantry to raise morale, and Insurrection if needed.
Well Ottoman saw this as a great opportunity and he invaded. My brave general Mack met them head on as they were approaching Budapest.
Chit choosing went very badly... I knew about Ottoman advantage in Assault, so I, being the begginer, choose Defend, as it can't go wrong!
But, Ottoman wasn't the begginer he choose Outflank. He gets the bonus and arrives after the first day. Suddenly Vienna and Berlin become threatened by the Ottoman and our victorius campaign comes to the abbrupt end.
Ottoman received quite a substential revard from the Froggy.

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- 7/18/2003 9:12:03 PM   
John Umber

 

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Status: offline 		That is the game in it's essence.

One player starts well and the rest hunt him/her down. Ruthlessly...

Noone can stand alone.

Diplomacy is everything!!!

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- 7/18/2003 11:14:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		My biggest newbie mishap:

I was playing GB. My ally, austria, was at war with the Turks and was sitting in Constantinople. However, the Turks refused to surrender (waiting for the French to be able to declare war). So we had a plan. The main goal of the plan for me was to crush Russia's fleets, the main goal for him was to occupy the last turkish capital. Since he had control of COnst. he could let fleets thru. I paid the Spanish player a great deal of money to pick up two austrian corps and move them into the black sea. Well, once he was inside the black sea, I declared war on Russia. The austrian player didn't let Spain back out of the black sea. I declared war on Russia and took 6 fleets to attack his navy (all 3 fleets were stacked). Unfortunately, the plans of mice and men, he rolled a 1 to evade and so did. On his turn, I rolled to intercept, and I did not. I had one fleet in the English Channel with 5 ships. He moved there and destroyed them. Needless to say, I had french corps running around in England. NOT GOOD. LOL. So the rest of the game pretty much sucked for me and was a constant reminder of my greediness when playing GB.

I love playing GB but however nowadays I play them with more finesse and diplomacy.

Good thread idea by the way.

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- 7/19/2003 2:52:19 AM   
Forward_March

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Ryta:)

Anyway...I have another...same game as before.

France had just had tons of bad luck, and had been forced onto the defensive against Prussia and Gb and Spain. Me being Russia was considering what to do next with my monster stacks when a bored and hungry turkey and Austria start to eye the provinces adjacent to them in the Rodina.

So, after some hallway plotting, they come back and declare war on innocent ole' me. Being new to Napoleonics (I'd been strictly into the world wars before then) didn't know of Barclay's shrewd plan.
...forget cossacks..
...forget the vastness of the steppe...

I decided to meet one, then the other at the border. Well, disaster ensued. Charles chose outflank while Kutuzov chose defend. Add to that he was rolling sixes and I was rolling ones in the combat rolls.

My once beautiful army was gutted...I sued for peace. We never finished that game due to a deployment. I did better in my next game:)

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- 7/19/2003 5:40:10 AM   
Chiteng

 

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Status: offline 		I must disagree w regards to Britain.
If the enemy have no fleets, then he cant hurt you.
It is as simple as that.

Plus you get major PP by sinking them.

Its a win win situation. Yes it does make the other players angry with you BUT

Unless France is willing to throw the game, and build ships instead of Cavalry, your in no real trouble.

It takes a united Europe to threaten England.

That is hard to accomplish

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- 7/19/2003 6:26:54 AM   
YohanTM2

 

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Status: offline 		I think the biggest newbie error I continually see is during the bidding process where someone decides they have to be France and WAY overbids. This takes a lot of pressure off the rest of the players before the game even starts.

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- 7/22/2003 1:18:02 PM   
John Umber

 

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Status: offline 		Bidding

The problem or advantage of the bidding system is the simple fact, some nations are much more fun then others. France, Russia and Austria are then ones with most action. The rest are less active. It takes different players to play them well. Russia wins a lot by simply waiting and preparing. Figthing in mother Russia is devastating for the enemy if handled properly. Usualy because the war lasts so horrible long. All other nations can do a lot of damage when the major troops are far far away. A cautious Russian almost always get a nice enemy withdrawal... if he isn't very bad in diplomacy.

Most people tend to think a fast camaign and Russia is done for. Look at the history three serious attempts and all failed (not counting the germans in WWI when internal strife brought Russia down). The game shows this rather nice. Long, long supply lines...

So back to the issue.
Players bid for the nation they wish to play. And there is no fun playing a nation you dislike. So bid high and enjoy the game, even if you lose the victory points race.
Normaly the game end to early anyway, players don't stick around for that amazing 500 hours of pure game play!
(Someone gets beaten seriously and get bored and leave the game...)

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- 7/22/2003 10:18:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unfortunately it is exactly this kind of thinking that gets a guy to bid 40 for France (40 is usually our set limit) and 38 for GB and 35 for Ru. Some of these people have no way of hoping to win, and they don't care. So why not have everyone bid the max? Personally, I am not interested in playing with people who are not playing to win, but just playing to play their fav country cuz they know the game will not end. Just my OPINION.

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- 7/23/2003 1:18:56 PM   
John Umber

 

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Status: offline 		That is unfortunately just the thing.

The game almost never finish. A computer version should reduce the time spent on the game to maybe half, but the most time consuming issues are preparing the overall strategy and moving your troops for preparations for the war. The calqulations for battles and economy are rather fast (most players probably also use some sort of excel sheet to speed things up).

I am not so sure about the computer version, but would it be possible to introduce part goals? Something similar to Russian Front. For people not aware of this game, it is a game during WWII and the only players are Germany versus Russia. The game covers the entire Barbarossa campaign, but it is divided in seasons. You calqulate the number of major towns conquered by the germans plus industrial points etc etc and compare this to a time table. If the germans start out very well, he gets a plus three on the victory table. The next season the game slowly turns to the russian favour and he starts generating points if he halts and push back the germans. In the end the players compare their total victory points and you have the winner. It is almost impossible for the germans to win the war because the game "remembers" other theaters as well. Those desperately needed tanks are removed to fight the invasion in France...

A similar seaon based victory point system could be used in EiA as well. Instead of rushing of for the grand campaign all players has a short term goal included. Could this answer the problem? It would also stop over bidding in the beginning. But I don't think it will stop people for getting the nations they wish for at all costs. To put a "roof" for the bidding is not the best way of solving this. The game is balanced for strange biddings. Another way is to put the bidding together with the political staus display. Consider this, bidd victory points AND political points. It might not be historical but more "player friendly". France in the instability zone from the beginning... no that would over do it.

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- 7/24/2003 6:13:38 AM   
puff_daddy_58_9

 

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Status: offline 		Here's my biggest blunder (not newbie either, I was simply out witted).

So I'm playing as prussia, and we have the aus-pru-rus-GB vs. fra-spa. OK, so we end up turning the turkish player to our side, only he needs lots of money to build up the cav to join our fight.

Both Austria and I give him 50 in june, and 40 in sept. I give him another 30 in dec, as a final installment.

SO, total was 210. Lot of $$ eh? Yah, so I was surprised when he declared war, along with france (after the enforced peace), and told me I had been funding the buildup to fight me. I FOUGHT THE ENEMY I PAID FOR!!!!

I felt sooooo stupid for that!!! LOSER ME!!!

PS - we will get him back, don't worry!!

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- 7/24/2003 12:32:57 PM   
pfnognoff


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Status: offline 		Wow, Prussia paying the Ottoman! Are you sure those were not British $.

:D

BTW you should destroy this Ottoman player a couple of times, just so he learns the leasson. The thing he did is not something he should be proud off!

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- 7/24/2003 1:56:46 PM   
John Umber

 

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Status: offline 		Nasty, but you should expect something like that. Force him to take some steps in advance before giving money. Example is ally with you, cost him more to change side. This way he will think twice.

If it makes you feel better something similar happened to me too. I played the Austrian and Prussia and Russia joined the Turkish in a crusade against Austria after the swift defeat of France. True I should be prepared for that kind of thing, but I was still so happy over the victory over the french. Again don't trust anyone in this game, it is made for backstabbing your friends/foes.

Later in the game the revenge come with the help of France... It appears the combined forces of the french and austrians are rather well matched. Berlin and Constantinople burning, but Russia just had her army smashed...
Interresting game realy. The Brittish won if I remember correctly...

Next time, you trick him. :eek:

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Re: EiA Newby Blunders - 8/3/2003 12:12:42 AM   
timothy_stone

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Forward_March
[B]Do you remember your first game, and your first big blunder?

I was playing Russia. I thought I'd make a nuisance of myself in the Mediterranean, so I put two of my three fleets in Corfu. Only too late did I realize that the Corfu Defenses were only 20 guns. Those pesky British! Well, you can imagine what happened. [/B][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=blue]Britain brought enough ships to mess with your 2 fleets and the 20 port guns? The newbie blunder here was not yours, it was Britains -- and the french player that did not figure out a way to invade GB when more than half the royal navy was off on corfu.[/COLOR]

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- 8/3/2003 5:16:12 AM   
Forward_March

 

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Status: offline 		Sadly, Britain and France were at peace at the time as France was busy gobbling up minor nations.

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First game, playing as Austria in 1805 - 8/12/2003 11:40:16 PM   
bongina

 

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Status: offline 		Following a victory over France in 1805, when Napoleon rolled a 6 trying to withdraw, Austria gave Translvania to Turkey in return for a non-agression treaty, then sat back to build a huge army. My ally was Prussia, the co-victor in the war with France. Britain supplied money during the first war, but had since turned neutral. My mistake was to get to sentimentally attached to Poland, my home country, which was controlled by the Prussian. I asked my ally to cede Poland to me in exchange for Bavaria and another western minor, but to no avail. In fact, he seemed to enjoying my misery, as he marched his own Polish corps around in low attrition areas just to spite me. Our diplomatic relation degraded, although not to the point of war - or so I thought. However, when Austria declared war on Spain (for other unrelated reasons), Prussia decided to honor his treaty with Spain and declared war on me - Austria - his anti-French ally. A long and gruelling war followed, which ended with a negotiated peace when the Austrians took Warsaw. However, at this point, the personal relations between Austria and Prussia had grown into hatred. Soon, war broke out anew, causing huge losses on both sides. Needless to say, when this 2nd war ended, France declared war on both Austria and Prussia and the game was practically over. By the way, these wars had become legend in our EiA circle. They are known as the 'Ernest Wars', after the name of the Prussian player.

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- 8/13/2003 6:05:24 AM   
eg0master

 

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Status: offline 		In my experience the most common newbie blunder is to attack in a wild frenzy in jan 1805, having no money for supply in feb 1805 leaving either your corps starving or not moving at all (and starving just a little).

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