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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/13/2020 7:07:07 PM   
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/13/2020 9:18:48 PM   
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/13/2020 9:26:27 PM   
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After more checking there are some issues with the Pantsir terminology and I think the Pantsir SM is being confused with the Pantsir S2:
With apologies for having to make multiple posts to attach images.
#3250 - SAM Plt (SA-22 Greyhound [Pantsir-SM]) (Russia [1992-] - 2011) ?


Suggest name change to Pantsir S2 and in service as of 2015 please. Plus amend or add new 57E6-1 missile with range of 30km and add new SOTS-S double facing radar array?

Pantsir S2 has been in service since 2015 and has been seen in Syria with Russian forces since 2016. But it is not in the DB3K.

https://youtu.be/aJpKJ--ZPq8?t=3 Shows the S2 from a RUPTLY article in Syria. In contrast the Pantsir SM is not in service in Russia yet.

The S2 has improved radar with which is double faceted and therefore provides better faster coverage and makes it easy to distinguish from the S1.

"The Pantsir-S2 is also fitted with a new SOTS S-band search radar to increase the detection range from 36 km to over 40 km"*Army Recognition.
It also supposedly has a marginally increased missile with a range of 30km but does not use the later ER missile.

The difference with the S1 is most obvious by comparing radar arrays.
See this clip from the manufacturers PR for the S1 https://youtu.be/ywcnw8r-CAo?t=70

Pantsir SM is very different vehicle using the Tornado G 8x8 armoured MRAP vehicle with light armour, newer still AESA radar and the extended range 40km missile.

Algeria has Pantsir SM as of 2019 and before the Russians per the MENA DEFENCE article.

The Rostec article provides an oversight of the S1 S2 and SM developments:

https://rostec.ru/en/news/the-true-greyhound-to-the-russian-defense/
https://www.janes.com/article/89584/army-2019-russia-unveils-pantsir-s1m-sam-vehicle
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/pantsir-s2_short-range_cannon_missile_air_defense_system_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video_12205164.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/army-2019_news_russia_online_show_daily_media_partner/army_2019_kbp_group_unveils_pantsir-sm_cannon_missile_air_defense_system.html
https://www.menadefense.net/algeria/algeria-tested-the-new-pantsir-sm-in-a-live-fire-exercice
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24797/Russia_Upgrades_Pantsir_Defense_System_Through_Experience_Gained_in_Syria__Report#.Xmv4hnlLH4Y
Pantsir SM - Latest incarnation as of 2019 using the Tornado G armoured chassis.
https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2019/26-june-pantsirsm-in-army2019---


Many thanks
K

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ORIGINAL: stilesw

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Pantsir SM Has been added to the 483 DB3K with the 57E6-ER missile as a new weapon but the ER versions is identical in range to the standard 57E6 version i.e 10 Nm range.

By all accounts the ER has a 40km/21.5 nm range and the FCR has double the acquisition range.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/14/2020 4:54:03 PM   
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hi,

according to DB3k 481 there are 3 ANKA variants

4380 Anka-A -- Turkey (Air Force), 2016
4738 Anka-A ELINT Mod -- Turkey (Air Force), 2018 ---> it can be renamed "ANKA-I"
4750 Anka-B -- Turkey (Navy), 2019, 12x

ANKA-S UCAV should be add to DB3K for Turkish Air Force with a/g weapon loadout

https://www.tusas.com/uploads/2019/12/anka-unmanned-aerial-vehicle-flyer.pdf

Thanks in advance


an article about the anka series ucav

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/why-you-should-fear-turkeys-killer-drones-132877


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/14/2020 6:04:06 PM   
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Is it possible to add these SAM systems that you can find on the articles below to DB3K for rebels/terrorist factions

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/19513/aircraft-attacked-over-yemen-with-r-27-air-to-air-missile-modified-into-a-sam
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/now-we-know-how-houthi-rebels-yemen-used-modified-air-air-missiles-attack-planes-ground
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/irans-support-to-houthi-air-defenses-in-yemen

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/15/2020 8:30:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		#3202 - MRK Smerch Nanuchka III [Pr.1234.2] (Russia [1992-] - 2021)

Addenda and weapon request please?

Smerch currently has an air launched AS-20 Kayak weapons mount for the 16 x Kh-35UE; (N.B U E is an export designation),

4x AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35UE] 4x Quad #3688 - AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35UE]

It should have the ship launched equivalent:

4x SS-N-25 Switchblade 4 x Quad . #???? SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35U] GLONASS

Currently there is only the Kh-35 Uran version in the DB3k:
#969 - SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35 Uran] - As a ship launched weapon. This is an anti ship weapon only with a 80nm range.

There is a surface launched equivalent of the air launched Kh-35U which has GLONASS/GPS guidance and is capable of hitting static targets ashore up to 240km.
It could be named SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35U] GLONASS

Also it should have a #450 twin SA-N-4B mount not the SA-N-4A.

And as an aside the Smerch already is in the DB under:

#3191 - MRK Nanuchka III [Pr.1234.1 Ovod] (Russia [1992-] - 2019)

For consideration please.
K

http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/missile_systems/uran-e_shipborne_missile_system.html Manufacturer data URAN ship launched system.
http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1234.htm
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/08/russias-nanuchka-iii-class-corvette-smerch-upgraded-with-new-missiles-gun/
https://navalnews.net/russian-corvette-smerch-conducted-missile-firings-at-sea-of-japan/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5soa5BLCw
https://i.redd.it/efsqrpuexrt31.jpg
https://i.redd.it/x7jn6vuh7wc31.jpg 2 x photos of fully modernised Smerch.
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/anti-ship_missiles/kh-35e.html Manufacturer data Kh-35 system.
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/anti-ship_missiles/kh-35ue.html Manufacturer data Kh-35U/E system.





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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/16/2020 8:30:52 PM   
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#4380 - Anka-A --> Anka-A UAV
#4738 - Anka-A ELINT Mod --> Anka-I UAV (You could move the "ELINT Mod" to the side note?)
#4750 - Anka-B --> Anka-B UAV
#4607 - Il-22PP Porubshchik --> Il-22PP Coot B (Porubshchik is the Russian name, not the NATO designation. Following the established naming convention of the game, the entry name should be therefor altered. Also, the first three aircraft were delivered in November 2016: https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/11/09/russia-receives-first-il-22pp-porubschik-electronic-countermeasures-planes_646271 )
#1389 - A.400M Atlas [Grizzly] --> A.400M Atlas (Grizzly was the name given by Airbus for the prototype planes. Serial production aircraft are designated Atlas.)
#1403 - A.400M Atlas [Grizzly] --> A.400M Atlas
#271 - A.400M Grizzly --> A.400M Atlas
#1419 - A.400M Grizzly --> A.400M Atlas [T.23] (First delivery on November 2016. Spain will only keep 14 aircraft out of the 27 ordered while selling the rest: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/spain-receives-its-first-a400m-transport-431578/ , https://theaviationgeekclub.com/spain-could-swap-6-a400m-airlifters-for-south-koreas-30-kt-1-and-20-t-50-trainers/ )
#1423 - A.400M Grizzly --> A.400M Atlas
#1420 - Atlas C.1 [A.400M Grizzly] --> Atlas C.1 [A.400M]
#3239 - Boeing 707-331B Tanker [TK.17] (Withdrawn from service September 27, 2016.)
#3154 - Boeing 707-351C Santiago [TM.17, ELINT Mod] --> Boeing 707-351C Santiago [TM.17] (Withdrawn from service September 27, 2016. Add "ELINT Mod" as side note?)
#564 - F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A, C.15A] --> F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A, C.15]
#1750 - F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A+, C.15A] --> F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A+, C.15]
#27 - F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A+, C.15A] --> F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A+, C.15]
#564 - F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A+, C.15A] --> F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18A+, C.15]
#3802 - F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18M, C.15A] --> F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18M, C.15]
#28 - F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18M, C.15A] --> F/A-18A Hornet [EF-18M, C.15]
#3289 - F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B, C.15B] --> F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B, CE.15]
#3290 - F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B+, C.15B] --> F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B+, CE.15]
#3291 - F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B+, C.15B] --> F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B+, CE.15]
#3292 - F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B+, C.15B] --> F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18B+, CE.15]
#3803 - F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18M, C.15B] --> F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18BM, CE.15]
#3293 - F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18M, C.15B] --> F/A-18B Hornet [EF-18BM, CE.15]
#438 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon [C.16A] --> EF2000 Typhoon [C.16]
#3804 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon [C.16A] --> EF2000 Typhoon [C.16]
#3229 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon [C.16A] --> EF2000 Typhoon [C.16]
#3628 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon Two-Seater [C.16B] --> EF2000 Typhoon Two-Seater [CE.16]
#3805 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon Two-Seater [C.16B] --> EF2000 Typhoon Two-Seater [CE.16]
#3629 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon Two-Seater [C.16B] --> EF2000 Typhoon Two-Seater [CE.16]
#3195 - M28B Bryza 1R [AN-28 Copy] (Seven build. Change type to Maritime Patrol Aircraft please.)
#3341 - PZL M28B Bryza 1RM bis [AN-28 Copy] --> M28B Bryza 1RM bis [AN-28 Copy] (Only one build. Change type to Maritime Patrol Aircraft please.)
#1957 - BR.1150 Atlantic 1 [P-1150A] --> BR.1150 Atlantic [P-1150A] (All other BR.1150s have the "1" removed in their name.)
#274 - BR.1150 Atlantic 1 [P-1150A] --> BR.1150 Atlantic [P-1150A]
#2134 - BR.1150 Atlantic 1 [P-1150A] --> BR.1150 Atlantic [P-1150A]
#279 - BR.1150 Atlantic 1 [P-1150A] --> BR.1150 Atlantic [P-1150A]
#2981 - C-130B Hercules (Four delivered. Active until early 80s. All converted to KC-130B. http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/aircraft-assignments/unit/RSAF%20122%20Sqn/ )
#2982 - C-130H Hercules (Five delivered, all active. http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/aircraft-assignments/unit/RSAF%20122%20Sqn/ )
#3881 - F.60 MPA --> F.60MPA
#3939 - AC-235 Pocket Gunship --> AC-235 Light Gunship ( http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/AC235/Pages/default.aspx )
#3940 - AC-295 Pocket Gunship --> AC-295 Gunship (The term "pocket" gunship isn't used by either the manufacturer, nor the customer.)
#3941 - MC-27J Praetorian Pocket Gunship --> MC-27J Pretorian (Remove "Impr G.222" from side note and add "Pocket Gunship"?)
#4513 - Airbus A.330-200 MRTT --> Airbus A.330-200 MRTT [KC-330 Cygnus]
#3962 - F-16A Blk 20 Falcon [F-16V] --> F-16A Blk 70V Falcon (Designation for upgraded F-16As already in Taiwanese inventory. New-built F-16V will be designated F-16V Blk 70. Add "Upgraded F-16A" as side note?)
#3299 - H-6G Badger [H-6M] --> H-6G Badger (Other than being confusing, what's the purpose of the H-6M designation?)
#1748 - F-15K Eagle --> F-15K Slam Eagle
#3658 - F-15K Eagle --> F-15K Slam Eagle
#4515 - F-15K Eagle --> F-15K Slam Eagle
#940 - E-737 Wedgetail --> E-737 Wedgetail [E-7A Wedgetail]
#4724 - Protector MALE UCAV [MQ-9B] --> Protector RG.1 UAV [MQ-9B] ( https://www.flightglobal.com/military-uavs/farnborough-raf-touts-potential-of-protector-programme/128836.article , http://www.ga-asi.com/aircraft-platforms )


Rotary-wing:

#4199 - Chinook HC.5 [CH-47SD] (Add Ex-HC.3 as side note?)
#4665 - Mi-35P --> Mi-35P Hind (adding the NATO code makes it faster listing all the Mi-24/35 variants in the DB.)
#4625 - Mi-35P --> Mi-35P Hind
#674 - SH-3H Sea King [HS.9] (Still in service. The unit relinquished its ASW role in 2005 when its HS.9s were converted for VERTREP and amphibious assault roles: https://armada.defensa.gob.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/buquesaeronaves/prefLang-en/02flotilla-aeronaves-helicopteros--025-escuadrilla-aeronaves-sh-3-d-w-sea-king )
#1319 - AB.212 ASW --> AB.212 ASW [HA.18] (Relieved by the HS.23 (Seahawk) in 1988, their primary role changed to amphibious assault. http://www.armada.mde.es/ArmadaPortal/page/Portal/ArmadaEspannola/buquesaeronaves/prefLang-en/02flotilla-aeronaves-helicopteros )
#2014 - AB.212 Colibri EW --> AB.212 Colibri EW [HA.18]
#4757 - S-70C-3 Super Bluehawk --> S-70C-6 Super Bluehawk ( http://www.taiwanairpower.org/af/s70c.html , Link includes some additional infos regarding sensors.)
#4756 - EC.225 Super Puma --> EC.225LP Super Puma Mk.II+ ( https://www.airliners.net/search?keywords=puma+taiwan )


Ship:

#2684 - T-ESB 1 Lewis B. Puller [Montford Point Mod] --> T-ESB 3 Lewis B. Puller [Montford Point Mod] ( https://www.msc.navy.mil/inventory/ships.asp?ship=235 )
#2951 - DDG 51 Arleigh Burke [Arleigh Burke Flight I, SeaRAM] --> DDG 64 Carney [Arleigh Burke Flight I] (replace existing side note with "SeaRAM (DDG 64/71 only)".)
#2952 - DDG 51 Arleigh Burke [Arleigh Burke Flight I, SeaRAM] --> DDG 64 Carney [Arleigh Burke Flight I] (add "SeaRAM (DDG 64/71 only)" to side note.)
#2953 - DDG 72 Mahan [Arleigh Burke Flight II, SeaRAM] --> DDG 75 Donald Cook [Arleigh Burke Flight II] (replace existing side note with "SeaRAM (DDG 75/78 only)".)
#2954 - DDG 72 Mahan [Arleigh Burke Flight II, SeaRAM] --> DDG 75 Donald Cook [Arleigh Burke Flight II] (add "SeaRAM (DDG 75/78 only)" to side note.)
#847 - C 550 Cavour (Specified as LHA, should be CV)
#2805 - P 2XX Forth [River Class, Batch 2] --> P 222 Forth [River Class, Batch 2]
#618 - BDK Ivan Rogov [Pr.1174 Nosorog] (Last two ships decommissioned December 2006)
#135 - BDK Ropucha II [Pr.775] --> BDK Ropucha II [Pr.775/III]
#2605 - VTR Academician Pashin [Pr.23130] --> VTR Akademik Pashin [Pr.23130]
#2296 - Type 052D Luyang III [173 Changsha] --> Type 052D Luyang III [172 Kunming]
#2731 - Fleet Class CUSV [MCM Mission Module] (Minesweeping capability by early 2018. https://news.usni.org/2016/01/27/textrons-cusv-in-production-as-minesweeping-vehicle-may-take-on-minehunting-soon#more-16678 )
#2707 - CH 81 Almirante Grau [De Zeven Provinciën] (Decommissioned September 26, 2017.)
#2068 - DDG 39 Hobart --> D 39 Hobart ( http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-hobart-iii )
#2990 - RK Tarantul II [Pr.1241.1T] --> RK Tarantul II [Pr.1241.1T Molniya-1]
#594 - RK Tarantul II [Pr.1241.1T] --> RK Tarantul II [Pr.1241.1T Molniya-1]
#1371 - RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1M] --> RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1M Molniya-1]
#133 - RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1M] --> RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1M Molniya-1]
#2991 - RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1MR] --> RK Tarantul III [Pr.1241.1MR Molniya-1]
#2992 - RK Tarantul III Mod [Pr.1241.1M] --> RK Tarantul III Mod [Pr.1241.1M Molniya-1]
#2306 - MPK Soobrazitelny [Pr.2038.1, Mod Steregushchy] (Soobrazitelny was the second unit.)
#2051 - F 946 Abu Qir [Descubierta] --> F 946 El Suez [Descubierta Class] (F 941 Abou Qir was the second Descubierta commissioned by the Egyptian Navy.)
#1093 - F 946 Abu Qir [Descubierta] --> F 946 El Suez [Descubierta Class]
#1094 - F 946 Abu Qir [Descubierta] --> F 946 El Suez [Descubierta Class]
#1412 - 801 Rais Hamidou [Pr.1234E Nanuchka II] --> 801 Rais Hamidou [Pr.1234EM Nanuchka II] (First unit to be modernized was 802 Salah Rais. Upgrade project designated Project 1234EM Ovod-EM.)
#3059 - 11 Smedi [Koni, Pr.1159] --> 11 Smedi [Pr.1159 Koni]
#635 - 901 Mourad Rais [Pr.1159 Koni] --> 901 Mourad Rais [Pr.1159T Koni] ( http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1159.htm )
#1410 - 901 Mourad Rais [Pr.1159 Koni II] --> 901 Mourad Rais [Pr.1159TM Koni II]
#955 - F 212 Al Hani [Pr.1159 Koni] --> F 212 Al Hani [Pr.1159TR Koni II]
#2309 - BDK Ivan Gren [Pr.1171.1] (Began service within Northern Fleet on June 20, 2018.)
#2834 - Type 055 Renhai [101 Nanchang, Zheng He] --> Type 055 Renhai [101 Nanchang]
#2980 - Type 901 Hulunhu [965] --> Type 901 [965 Hulunhu]
#2797 - AOPV 43 Harry DeWolf --> AOPV 430 Harry DeWolf


Submarine:

#394 - PLARB-667AU Yankee I [Navaga] --> PLARB-667AU Yankee I [Nalim]
#579 - PLARB-941UM Typhoon [Typhoon, Akula] --> PLARB-941UM Typhoon [Akula]
#136 - PLARB-955 [Borey] --> PLARB-955 Borei [Borey]
#652 - PLARB-955A [Borey II] --> PLARB-955A Borei II [Borey A]
#642 - PLARB-667AU Yankee I [Nalim] --> PLARB-667AU Yankee I [Navaga]
#642 - PLASN-667BDRM Delta IV Stretch --> PLASN-09787 Delta IV Stretch (Correct name is "BS-64 Podmoskovye".)
#608 - PLASN-9786 Delta III Stretch --> PLASN-09786 Delta III Stretch ( https://sites.wrk.ru/sites/ru/mi/militaryrussia/i/284/708/WNEvv.jpg )
#647 - PLASN-9852 [Belgorod] --> PLASN-09852 Oscar II (Correct name is "K-329 Belgorod".)
#404 - PL-20120 [Sarov Class] --> PL-20120 Sarov [Sargan] (Commissioned on August 7th, 2008. http://oosif.ru/pr.20120-sargan )
#371 - PL-877 Kilo --> PL-877 Kilo [Paltus] ( http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/45-92/dts/877/list.htm )
#147 - PL-877 Kilo --> PL-877 Kilo [Paltus]
#507 - PL-877V Kilo [Paltus] --> PL-877V Kilo
#518 - HQ 182 Hanoi [PL-636M Kilo] --> HQ 182 Hanoi [PL-636.1 Kilo] ( http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_877.htm )
#609 - NORSUB-5 [Pr.10831 Losharik] --> AGS-10831 NORSUB-5 [Losharik] (AGS = АГС = автономной глубоководной станции. Proper and complete designation in line with the DB naming system. http://bastion-opk.ru/ac-12-project-10831/ )
#607 - Triton-NN [Pr.21310] --> PKNV-21310 [Triton-NN] (PKNV = ПКНВ = Погружающийся катер-носитель водолазов. NATO designation unknown. http://oosif.ru/pa-boyevykh-plovtsov?mode=album&album_id=12499006 )
#517 - 022 Rais Hadi Slimane [PL-636M Kilo] --> 021 Messali el Hadj [PL-636M Kilo] (Rais Hadi Slimane was the second boat of the 887EKM class. http://www.deepstorm.ru/DeepStorm.files/on_1992/877/013.htm )
#256 - S 311 Al Badr [PL-641 Foxtrot] --> 311 Al Badr [PL-641 Foxtrot] (First unit to be delivered was 312 Al Fateh. http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_641.htm )
#344 - S 849 Romeo --> S 32 [PL-633 Romeo] (Hull with S/N #831 commissioned as S-32. Hull #849 was bought from the Chinese in 1984 only.)
#266 - S 849 Romeo --> S 32 [PL-633 Romeo]
#245 - S 849 Romeo --> S 32 [PL-633 Romeo]


Facility:

#42 - Arty Plt (LRM) [MLRS] --> Arty Plt (LRM [M270 MLRS])
#2843 - Arty Plt (LRU) [MLRS] --> Arty Plt (LRU [M270 MLRS])
#20 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#23 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#160 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (MARS [M270 MLRS]) (Mittleres Artillerieraketensystem. Germany upgraded its MARS MLRS to MARS II by integrating the M31 GMLRS.)
#18 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#446 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#170 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (Menatetz [M270 MLRS])
#61 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#59 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#49 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#159 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS) (Acquired in 1998 and placed in storage in 2005 already due to Norway having only purchased cluster-munitions which were later banned. https://www.tu.no/artikler/boeing-og-saab-med-nytt-system-for-a-skyte-bomber-fra-bakken/222540 )
#2856 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#81 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#443 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#82 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#1723 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#85 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#158 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#154 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#157 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#156 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#2245 - Arty Plt (MLRS) --> Arty Plt (M270 MLRS)
#1401 - Radar (J/FPS-3) --> Radar (J/FPS-3A) (The BMD modification adds the A letter to the FPS-3 designation.)
#230 SAM Bty (Mamba [SAMP/T]) --> SAM Bty (SAMP/T [Mamba]) (Mamba designation is only used by France.)
#735 SAM Bty (Mamba [SAMP/T]) --> SAM Bty (SAMP/T) (SAMP/T is the manufacturer's designation for the system.)
#234 - SAM Bn (SA-12 Gladiator [S-300V1 Antey]) --> SAM Bn (SA-12 Gladiator [S-300V1 Antey-300])
#404 - SAM Bn (SA-12 Gladiator [S-300V1 Antey]) --> SAM Bn (SA-12 Gladiator [S-300V1 Antey-300])
#3142 - SAM Bn (SA-21a/b Growler [S-400 Triumph]) --> SAM Bn (SA-21a/b Growler [S-400 Triumf])
#2280 - AAA Plt/3 (23mm ZU-23-2 + SA-24 Grouse [ZOM-1-4] x 2) --> AAA Plt/3 (23mm ZU-23-2 + SA-24 Grinch [ZOM-1-4] x 2)
#3184 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#3172- Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#1560 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#3074 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#1557 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#1662 - Sam Sec (SA-24 Grouse [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3) --> Sam Sec (SA-24 Grinch [9K338 Igla-S] MANPADS x 3)
#2248 - Radar (Flat Face E [P-19, Kasta 2E Upgrade]) --> Radar (Flat Face E [51U6 Kasta 2E1])
#2421 - Radar (Flat Face E [P-19, Kasta 2E2 Upgrade]) --> Radar (Flat Face E [39N6E Kasta 2E2])
#2423 - Radar (Flat Face E [P-19, Kasta 2E2 Upgrade]) --> Radar (Flat Face E [39N6 Kasta 2E2])
#2422 - Radar (Flat Face E [P-19, Kasta 2E2 Upgrade]) --> Radar (Flat Face E [39N6E Kasta 2E2])
#2420 - Radar (Flat Face E [P-19, Kasta 2E2 Upgrade]) --> Radar (Flat Face E [39N6E Kasta 2E2])
#2188 - Vehicle (Big Cap [SPN-40] Jammer) --> Vehicle (Big Cap [1RL238 SPN-40] Jammer) ( http://www.rwd-mb3.de/pages/spn40.htm )
#2536 - Vehicle (Big Cap [SPN-40] Jammer) --> Vehicle (Big Cap [1RL238 SPN-40] Jammer)
#2187 - Vehicle (Paint Box [SPN-30] Jammer) --> Vehicle (Paint Box [1RL237 SPN-30] Jammer) ( http://www.rwd-mb3.de/pages/spn30.htm )
#2525 - Vehicle (Paint Box [SPN-30] Jammer) --> Vehicle (Paint Box [1RL237 SPN-30] Jammer)
#769 - Vehicle (Heart Ache [SPN-1/2/3] Jammer) --> Vehicle (Heart Ache [1RL248-1/2/3 SPN-1/2/3] Jammer)
#2603 - Radar (29B6 Kontainer OTH-B Receiver) --> Radar (29B6 Konteyner OTH-B Receiver) (Proper translation of the Cyrrilic spelling.)
#2602 - Radar (29B6 Kontainer OTH-B Transmitter) --> Radar (29B6 Konteyner OTH-B Transmitter) (Proper translation of the Cyrrilic spelling.)
#544 - SAM Bn (SA-3b Goa [S-125M1 Neva-M]) --> SAM Bn (SA-3c Goa [S-125M1 Neva-M])
#3037 - SAM Sec (SA-25 Verba [9K333] MANPADS x 3) --> SAM Sec (SA-25 [9K333 Verba] MANPADS x 3)
#999 - Radar (GE-592) (Active until 1999 and replaced by Marconi S-723 in 2000. http://www.ailes-militaires-belges.be/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14&Itemid=319&lang=fr , http://www.sbap.be/events/2011/atcc2011/atcc2011.htm )
#3075 - SAM Bty (HQ-12) --> SAM Bn (KS-1A) (Replace KS-1A with HQ-12A Export in the side note?)
#3072 - SAM Bty (HQ-12) --> SAM Bn (KS-1C) (Replace KS-1C with HQ-12C Export in the side note?)
#2465 - Radar (China YLC-2V Mod [Type 305B]) --> Radar (China Type 305B [K/LLQ-305B]) (Add "YLC-2V Mod" to the side note and replace the "HQ-12 Aquisition" with "HQ-9/HQ-12" instead?)
#3077 - Radar (China YLC-2V Mod [Type 305B]) --> Radar (China Type 305B [K/LLQ-305B]) (Add "YLC-2V Mod" to the side note and replace the "HQ-12 Aquisition" with "HQ-9/HQ-12" instead?)
#3076 - Radar (China YLC-2V Mod [Type 305B]) --> Radar (China Type 305B [K/LLQ-305B]) (Add "YLC-2V Mod" to the side note and replace the "HQ-12 Aquisition" with "HQ-9/HQ-12" instead?)
#1455 - Radar (China YLC-2V) (Remove "HQ-9 Aquisition" from side note. This task is performed by the K/LLQ-305A and K/LLQ-305B radars. YLC-2Vs are employed as air surveillance radars at permanent radar sites along China's borders and coastlines.)
#2239 - Radar (China Type 120 [JY-29/LSS-1 Mod]) --> Radar (China Type 120 [K/LLQ-120]) (Add JY-29 Mod to side note?)
#2240 - Radar (China Type 120 [JY-29/LSS-1 Mod]) --> Radar (China Type 120 [K/LLQ-120]) (Add JY-29 Mod to side note?)
#1499 - Radar (China Type 352 Square Tie) (Add CSSC-3 to side note??)
#1500 - Radar (China Type 352 Square Tie) (Add HY-4 to side note??)
#3142 - SAM Bn (SA-21a/b Growler [S-400 Triumph]) --> SAM Bn (SA-21a/b Growler [S-400 Triumf])
#2394 - Vehicle (1L222 Kvant [Apure/Avtobaza] Mobile Jammer+ELINT) --> Vehicle (1L125M Apur/1L222 Avtobaza Mobile Jammer+ELINT) (Kvant is the company name of the manufacturer.)
#3218 - 67N6 Gamma-D --> Radar (67N6 Gamma-D) (Unit icon is depicted as a vehicle, not a radar.)
#3211 - 67N6E Gamma-DE --> Radar (67N6E Gamma-DE) (Unit icon is depicted as a vehicle, not a radar.)
#3236 - Najm-802 PESA --> Radar (Najm-802) (Unit icon is depicted as a structure, not a radar. Also replace "Radar" with "PESA" in the side note)


Weapons:

#770 - MLRS AT2 [28 Anti-Tank Mines] --> AT2 MLRS [28 x AT2 Anti-Tank Mines] (this puts it in line with the other MLRS munitions in the DB.)
#123 - HQ-12 --> HQ-12A (KS-1A SAM systems use the HQ-12A missile. http://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-threat-and-proliferation/todays-missile-threat/china-anti-access-area-denial-coming-soon/hq-12/ )


Mounts:

#1483 - SA-18 Grinch [9K38 Igla] MANPADS --> SA-18 Grouse [9K38 Igla] MANPADS


Sensors:

#5223 - Flat Face E [P-19, Kasta 2E Upgrade] --> Flat Face E [51U6 Kasta 2E1]
#5355 - Flat Face E [P-19, Kasta 2E2 Upgrade] --> Flat Face E [39N6 Kasta 2E2]
#2511 - Heart Ache [SPN-1/2/3] --> Heart Ache [1RL248-1/2/3 SPN-1/2/3]
#5169 - Heart Ache [SPN-4] --> Heart Ache [1RL248-4 SPN-4] (Sensor in DB, no unit/facility assigned?)
#5170 - Paint Box [SPN-30] --> Paint Box [1RL237 SPN-30]
#5272 - Big Cap [SPN-40] --> Big Cap [1RL238 SPN-40]
#5146 - AN/APS-149 AAS [LSRS] --> AN/APS-149 LSRS (The 2017 introduced follow-on system to the littoral surveillance radar system is designated AN/APS-154 AAS.)
#5442 - China YLC-2V Mod [Type 305B] --> China Type 305B [K/LLQ-305B] (Add "YLC-2V Mod" to side note?)
#5221 - China Type 120 [JY-29/LSS-1 Mod] --> China Type 120 [K/LLQ-120] (Remove "LLQ120" from side note and add "JY-29 Mod" instead?)
#5347 - 1L222 Kvant [Apure] --> 1L125M Apur (Kvant is the company name of the manufacturer.)
#5348 - 1L222 Kvant [Avtobaza] --> 1L222 Avtobaza (Kvant is the company name of the manufacturer.)
#6020 - Najm-802 PESA [radar] --> Najm-802


Loadouts:

#6957 - AKM-114KBF Hellfire II (Strike, Land/Naval) --> AKM-114K Hellfire II (Strike, Land/Naval) (Loadout already correctly uses the AGM-114K.)


Thanks for looking into these!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/16/2020 10:44:41 PM   
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Could the Spike-ER missile be added to the Israel AH-64D Saraf?
Probably two missiles per wing.

Source: https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishing.com/2017/06/07/israel-shows-off-spike-on-apache/



Recent photos of an Israeli Air Force (IAF) AH-64D equipped for the carriage of Rafael Spike missiles show that the indigenous precision-attack system is operational on the air arm’s attack helicopters.

The photographs, taken by an AFM correspondent, have been cleared by the Israel Defense Forces censor, demonstrating that the Spike is now officially considered part of the Israeli AH-64D armoury.

The missiles’ twin launcher is mounted on the right stub wing of AH-64D Saraf 743.

The weapons carried may well be the Spike NLOS (Non Line Of Sight) that has already been integrated on several rotary-wing platforms, including the AW159 Wildcat helicopter for the Republic of Korea. This electro-optically guided weapon has a range of around 15.5 miles (25km).

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Hi! It's Spike NLOS. I think they could carry 4 in each wing:





https://twitter.com/JeremyBinnie/status/1177158775825940480


Also the US Army is testing the Spike NLOS and Apache E



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/16/2020 11:17:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		All good points on the naming conventions but some reservations about the late model Mi-35M HIND although I get that it would make searching easier.
#3744 - Mi-35M Hind --> Mi-35M Hind E 
#4626 - Mi-35M Hind --> Mi-35M Hind E 
#4509 - Mi-35M Hind --> Mi-35M Hind E 
#1057 - Mi-35M2 Hind [Caribe] --> Mi-35M2 Hind E [Caribe] 
#2946 - Mi-35M4 Hind [AH-2 Sabre] --> Mi-35M4 Hind E [AH-2 Sabre] 
#4665 - Mi-35P --> Mi-35P Hind F (adding the NATO code makes it faster listing all the Mi-24/35 variants in the DB.) 
#4625 - Mi-35P --> Mi-35P Hind F 
#3716 - Mi-35P Hind --> Mi-35P Hind F 
Mi-35M being designated "HIND E" is debatable. The export Mi-35P HIND F is ok but the late model M is a substantially different machine.
The designator letter is usually used to indicate significant differences and the late model Hinds are significantly different from the Mi-24P and MI-24V HIND E/F which date from the late 70's early 1980's?

The point of the NATO designator is to quickly differentiate threat types so why name the newest version after an out of date model?
Leave them as generic HIND's and put the in service date in the title.
My thinking is that eventually the relevant NATO codename will be disclosed and wouldn't it be easier to rename it then than make an alteration twice?

Above all its just an opinion not a criticism.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/16/2020 11:29:22 PM   
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Posted this link a while ago. Doesn't make it clear on in service dates or numbers ref Spike NLOS for US AH-64E.
K
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Blast33

Could the Spike-ER missile be added to the Israel AH-64D Saraf?
Probably two missiles per wing.

Source: https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishing.com/2017/06/07/israel-shows-off-spike-on-apache/



Recent photos of an Israeli Air Force (IAF) AH-64D equipped for the carriage of Rafael Spike missiles show that the indigenous precision-attack system is operational on the air arm’s attack helicopters.

The photographs, taken by an AFM correspondent, have been cleared by the Israel Defense Forces censor, demonstrating that the Spike is now officially considered part of the Israeli AH-64D armoury.

The missiles’ twin launcher is mounted on the right stub wing of AH-64D Saraf 743.

The weapons carried may well be the Spike NLOS (Non Line Of Sight) that has already been integrated on several rotary-wing platforms, including the AW159 Wildcat helicopter for the Republic of Korea. This electro-optically guided weapon has a range of around 15.5 miles (25km).

[/image]




Hi! It's Spike NLOS. I think they could carry 4 in each wing:





https://twitter.com/JeremyBinnie/status/1177158775825940480


Also the US Army is testing the Spike NLOS and Apache E




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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/17/2020 1:13:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KLAB

All good points on the naming conventions but some reservations about the late model Mi-35M HIND although I get that it would make searching easier.
#3744 - Mi-35M Hind --> Mi-35M Hind E 
#4626 - Mi-35M Hind --> Mi-35M Hind E 
#4509 - Mi-35M Hind --> Mi-35M Hind E 
#1057 - Mi-35M2 Hind [Caribe] --> Mi-35M2 Hind E [Caribe] 
#2946 - Mi-35M4 Hind [AH-2 Sabre] --> Mi-35M4 Hind E [AH-2 Sabre] 
#4665 - Mi-35P --> Mi-35P Hind F (adding the NATO code makes it faster listing all the Mi-24/35 variants in the DB.) 
#4625 - Mi-35P --> Mi-35P Hind F 
#3716 - Mi-35P Hind --> Mi-35P Hind F 
Mi-35M being designated "HIND E" is debatable. The export Mi-35P HIND F is ok but the late model M is a substantially different machine.
The designator letter is usually used to indicate significant differences and the late model Hinds are significantly different from the Mi-24P and MI-24V HIND E/F which date from the late 70's early 1980's?

The point of the NATO designator is to quickly differentiate threat types so why name the newest version after an out of date model?
Leave them as generic HIND's and put the in service date in the title.
My thinking is that eventually the relevant NATO codename will be disclosed and wouldn't it be easier to rename it then than make an alteration twice?

Above all its just an opinion not a criticism.

K


Hi KLAB,

I've taken a closer look and realized that my suggestions originated from an older DB version of CMANO. I've deleted most of them in my request. Thanks for pointing out!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/17/2020 3:14:45 PM   
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#4909 B-1B Lancer United States (Air Force), 2019, External Pylons

both of these variants should be fitted with Link 16 JTIDS.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/17/2020 3:53:54 PM   
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#4325 B-1B Lancer United States (Air Force), 2018, IBS
#4909 B-1B Lancer United States (Air Force), 2019, External Pylons
both of these variants should be fitted with Link 16 JTIDS.

Taras,
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/18/2020 12:08:22 AM   
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Could the Spike-ER missile be added to the Israel AH-64D Saraf?

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/18/2020 7:58:44 PM   
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Thanks, few more

CP-107 Argus and CP-121 Tracker maritime patrol aircraft are not present in DB3000. Both were in service until 1981 with the CP-121s losing their ASW-related gear and operating as fishery patrol planes until 1990.

#1269 CH-124A Heltas [Sea King] -- Canada (Navy), 1969, 35x
#574 CH-124A Heltas [Sea King] -- Canada (Navy), 1984, 35x
HELTAS (HELicopter Towed-Array Support) should only apply to the CH-124B.

#578 CH-124B Heltas [Sea King] -- Canada (Navy), 1991 6x Gulf War Mod
Should be equipped with DIFAR sonobuoys. While they made up the vast majority of converted helicopters, the 124B were not the only Sea Kings converted for the Gulf War and their "OP Friction" related gear was not part of the HELTAS conversion which was done in the mid-80s. Once I can post links I'll try and provide more information.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/19/2020 1:52:19 AM   
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https://vpk.name/library/f/bal-e.html?utm_source=vpkname&utm_medium=otnews&utm_campaign=dolib&utm_term=ot186469&utm_content=do203302

#2217 - SSM Plt (SSC-6 Sennight [3K60 Bal-E]) (Russia [1992-] - 2009)

3K60 Ball (SSC-6 "Sennight")

On a similar topic the SS-C-6 Sennight coastal missile "Bal" complex can also use the Kh-35U with dual anti ship and satellite based land attack capability.

N.B There is no separate entry for the Sennight as it is using the SS-N-25 Switchblade weapon in the mount for land based the facility.


Weapon request for the:

SS-C-6 Sennight (KH-35U GLONASS) and matching mount and facility update request please?

K
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#3202 - MRK Smerch Nanuchka III [Pr.1234.2] (Russia [1992-] - 2021)

Addenda and weapon request please?

Smerch currently has an air launched AS-20 Kayak weapons mount for the 16 x Kh-35UE; (N.B U E is an export designation),

4x AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35UE] 4x Quad #3688 - AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35UE]

It should have the ship launched equivalent:

4x SS-N-25 Switchblade 4 x Quad . #???? SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35U] GLONASS

Currently there is only the Kh-35 Uran version in the DB3k:
#969 - SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35 Uran] - As a ship launched weapon. This is an anti ship weapon only with a 80nm range.

There is a surface launched equivalent of the air launched Kh-35U which has GLONASS/GPS guidance and is capable of hitting static targets ashore up to 240km.
It could be named SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35U] GLONASS

Also it should have a #450 twin SA-N-4B mount not the SA-N-4A.

And as an aside the Smerch already is in the DB under:

#3191 - MRK Nanuchka III [Pr.1234.1 Ovod] (Russia [1992-] - 2019)

For consideration please.
K

http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/missile_systems/uran-e_shipborne_missile_system.html Manufacturer data URAN ship launched system.
http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1234.htm
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/08/russias-nanuchka-iii-class-corvette-smerch-upgraded-with-new-missiles-gun/
https://navalnews.net/russian-corvette-smerch-conducted-missile-firings-at-sea-of-japan/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx5soa5BLCw
https://i.redd.it/efsqrpuexrt31.jpg
https://i.redd.it/x7jn6vuh7wc31.jpg 2 x photos of fully modernised Smerch.
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/anti-ship_missiles/kh-35e.html Manufacturer data Kh-35 system.
http://eng.ktrv.ru/production/military_production/anti-ship_missiles/kh-35ue.html Manufacturer data Kh-35U/E system.







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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/20/2020 1:35:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Was checking on some GBUs for the Northern Fury scenarios. One oddity is that most of them - all the LGB types have had the release altitude dropped to 2,000 ft, but the GBU-15 family, which are TV guided remain at 10,000 feet.

Is this by design?

This reference indicates that the standard practice with the F-111 was to lob the GBU-15s from behind ground cover and drive the bomb to the target using the on-board TV and datalink. I know that Lobbing is not modeled yet, but it seems that this system would have a release altitude as low or lower than an LGB.

http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-AVQ-26-GBU-15.html

Any chance we could have the release altitude of the GBU-15 family reduced to 2,000 like their LGB couterparts. Thank you

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/21/2020 1:00:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pantsir - This gets more complicated.

Looking at the actual images of the Pantsir SM although it has an obvious Tornado G MRAP 8x8 chassis the actual Pantsir system on the back seems to be the standard S1 configuration using the single face search radar not even the double faceted S2.

I am therefore confused regarding the issue of whether the ER missile or even what actually constitutes the Pantsir SM or if it is in service or not yet!

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-558.html
This is probably the most exhaustive coverage regarding Pantsir and even with the limitations of translation software provides useful time lines and development.

But there again the manufacturer is a bit contradictory as there own product page shows both the Pantsir S1 and Pantsir S2 in the image library under the headline information for the S1.
And the 3d computer rendering is of the S2!

https://www.npovk.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/9f5/1037_728_1/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%80%D1%8C-%D0%A11.jpg
https://www.npovk.ru/en/model/pancyr.php


K

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After more checking there are some issues with the Pantsir terminology and I think the Pantsir SM is being confused with the Pantsir S2:
With apologies for having to make multiple posts to attach images.
#3250 - SAM Plt (SA-22 Greyhound [Pantsir-SM]) (Russia [1992-] - 2011) ?


Suggest name change to Pantsir S2 and in service as of 2015 please. Plus amend or add new 57E6-1 missile with range of 30km and add new SOTS-S double facing radar array?

Pantsir S2 has been in service since 2015 and has been seen in Syria with Russian forces since 2016. But it is not in the DB3K.

https://youtu.be/aJpKJ--ZPq8?t=3 Shows the S2 from a RUPTLY article in Syria. In contrast the Pantsir SM is not in service in Russia yet.

The S2 has improved radar with which is double faceted and therefore provides better faster coverage and makes it easy to distinguish from the S1.

"The Pantsir-S2 is also fitted with a new SOTS S-band search radar to increase the detection range from 36 km to over 40 km"*Army Recognition.
It also supposedly has a marginally increased missile with a range of 30km but does not use the later ER missile.

The difference with the S1 is most obvious by comparing radar arrays.
See this clip from the manufacturers PR for the S1 https://youtu.be/ywcnw8r-CAo?t=70

Pantsir SM is very different vehicle using the Tornado G 8x8 armoured MRAP vehicle with light armour, newer still AESA radar and the extended range 40km missile.

Algeria has Pantsir SM as of 2019 and before the Russians per the MENA DEFENCE article.

The Rostec article provides an oversight of the S1 S2 and SM developments:

https://rostec.ru/en/news/the-true-greyhound-to-the-russian-defense/
https://www.janes.com/article/89584/army-2019-russia-unveils-pantsir-s1m-sam-vehicle
https://www.armyrecognition.com/russia_russian_missile_system_vehicle_uk/pantsir-s2_short-range_cannon_missile_air_defense_system_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video_12205164.html
https://www.armyrecognition.com/army-2019_news_russia_online_show_daily_media_partner/army_2019_kbp_group_unveils_pantsir-sm_cannon_missile_air_defense_system.html
https://www.menadefense.net/algeria/algeria-tested-the-new-pantsir-sm-in-a-live-fire-exercice
https://www.defenseworld.net/news/24797/Russia_Upgrades_Pantsir_Defense_System_Through_Experience_Gained_in_Syria__Report#.Xmv4hnlLH4Y
Pantsir SM - Latest incarnation as of 2019 using the Tornado G armoured chassis.
https://russia.liveuamap.com/en/2019/26-june-pantsirsm-in-army2019---


Many thanks
K

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ORIGINAL: stilesw

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Pantsir SM Has been added to the 483 DB3K with the 57E6-ER missile as a new weapon but the ER versions is identical in range to the standard 57E6 version i.e 10 Nm range.

By all accounts the ER has a 40km/21.5 nm range and the FCR has double the acquisition range.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/22/2020 9:26:48 PM   
Hongjian

 

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Armed version:



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A recent image (November 2018) indicated that an improved UCAV variant has been developed. This variant (BZK-005C) features a pair of underwing pylons and is able to carry up to 300kg of various weapons.


SAR-equipped recon version:



quote:

The latest image (March 2020) indicated that another improved variant (Sky Eagle) is in service with PLA Army featuring a chin mounted SAR antenna. Consequently the EO turret was relocated to the middle section of the fuselage.


http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/uav.html#BZK-005

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/24/2020 12:36:51 PM   
Joelsi


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Status: offline 		Hello,

It seems like that the AN/ALQ-131 DECM pod was renamed by accident to HAVA SOJ Dffensive ECM (Yup, it has a typo in the DB).

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/24/2020 8:14:11 PM   
Parel803

 

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From: Netherlands
Status: offline 		Possible addition to the DB:
Japan Commisions first Maya clas Destroyer, DDG179.
Second one will be commisioned in 2021.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/03/jmsdf-commissions-first-of-class-aegis-destroyer-ddg-179-js-maya-%e3%81%be%e3%82%84/

Did not find much detail images of her.
What I could find:

Maya Class, DDGH, Variant of the Atago class
Long 170, Beam 21, Draft 6,2.
Japan, Navy, 2020
Aegis Destroyer with Ballistic Missile Defence.
Std Displacement 8200 tons, Full Displ 10250

Max speed 30 kts
Crew 310

AN/SPY1D(V) Phased Array MF, AN/SPQ-9B FC, 3x MK-99 FC (1 Aft, 2 Rear)
Probablu OPS- navigation radars
EW suite, EO and Sonar not found yet.

1x 5 inch (127mm/L62) Mk-54 Mod-4 Aft, 2 x 20mm Phalnx CIWS 1 AFt & 1 Rear, 2x Type 68 Torp Tubes, Mk-41 VLS (96 cells)

SM-3 Block II-A, SM-6 (RIM-174 ERAM), RIM-66 SM-2, RIM-162 ESSM, Type 90/17 SSM, Type 07 (Vertical Launch Anti-submarine Rocket, Mk-46 Torpedo, Type-73 Torpedo

CEC (Cooperative Information Capability) Toe share surveillance or targeting info with same equipped ship and E2D.

Hanger & Flight deck for 1x SH60K
1 Rigid inflatable boat

COGLAG (Combined Gas Turbine and Gas Turbine, 2 marine solution LM2500
68010 shp, 50720 kW
Two shaft - 5 blades

Unfortnally I didn't find all info needed for the DB. Data found give small differences between sources.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya-class_destroyer
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/maya-class-guided-missile-destroyers/
https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2019/august/7390-japan-has-launched-ddg-haguro-maya-class-guided-missile-destroyer.html
https://www.janes.com/article/94978/japan-commissions-first-maya-class-guided-missile-destroyer?utm_campaign=PC6110_E20%20DF%20NL%20NAVY%2024_03_2020&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Eloqua

With regards




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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 1:02:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Strange issue:

Noticed when trying to complete Iron Hand with CMO for the firs time; Newest game version and current DB483 installed?

The load outs for the Su-27 flight shown in the data box show the old AA-10A/C SARH ?

However in the DB3k 483 entry for the Su-27 it shows AA-10 TSARH in all the load outs?

This is effecting the reloads I believe.

Its also having a weird effect on the Mig-29S as well which wont launch the AA-10 "due to no datalink",

I've run a test scenario with Mig-29's where I have added the current DB483 version and the load has the TSARH version and it fires the AA-10 TSARH as it should?

It seems like the AA-10 load outs for Iron Hand haven't updated to the latest DB ?

Is this an issue with the scenario build Ini/SBR etc or a DB issue?

Attached screen shot composite. Thanks again for excellent support.
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 6:54:11 PM   
stilesw


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The load outs for the Su-27 flight shown in the data box show the old AA-10A/C SARH ?
However in the DB3k 483 entry for the Su-27 it shows AA-10 TSARH in all the load outs?


I think you might not have upgraded to DB3K_483. Looked at your screenshot and then created the same aircraft using the latest database. The new aircraft showed the correct loadout information.

The original scenario was created using DB3K_478 so changes between 478 and 483 will not show up. Try upgrading (if you have not already) to DB3K_483 and please let me know if that fixes the problem.

-WS

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 7:36:06 PM   
stilesw


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#3202 - MRK Smerch Nanuchka III [Pr.1234.2] (Russia [1992-] - 2021)
Addenda Smerch currently has an air launched AS-20 Kayak weapons mount for the 16 x Kh-35UE; (N.B U E is an export designation), 4x SS-N-25 Switchblade 4 x Quad . #???? SS-N-25 Switchblade [Kh-35U] GLONASS
Also it should have a #450 twin SA-N-4B mount not the SA-N-4A.
And as an aside the Smerch already is in the DB under:
#3191 - MRK Nanuchka III [Pr.1234.1 Ovod] (Russia [1992-] - 2019)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 8:58:17 PM   
stilesw


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It seems like that the AN/ALQ-131 DECM pod was renamed by accident to HAVA SOJ Dffensive ECM (Yup, it has a typo in the DB).

Good eye. Fixed in next DB update.
-WS

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 10:43:13 PM   
KLAB


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Status: offline 		It's definitely 483, I checked before posting with the intention of just upgrading the scenario and the editor says the scenario is using the latest DB.483.
Baffled as I did the same with a test scenario, added a MiG-29S and every thing worked and it had R-27 TSARH load outs. I will update the scenario again regardless and see if that fixes it.
Thanks for quick reply.
K
quote:

ORIGINAL: stilesw

quote:


The load outs for the Su-27 flight shown in the data box show the old AA-10A/C SARH ?
However in the DB3k 483 entry for the Su-27 it shows AA-10 TSARH in all the load outs?


I think you might not have upgraded to DB3K_483. Looked at your screenshot and then created the same aircraft using the latest database. The new aircraft showed the correct loadout information.

The original scenario was created using DB3K_478 so changes between 478 and 483 will not show up. Try upgrading (if you have not already) to DB3K_483 and please let me know if that fixes the problem.

-WS


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 10:51:12 PM   
stilesw


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Was checking on some GBUs for the Northern Fury scenarios. One oddity is that most of them - all the LGB types have had the release altitude dropped to 2,000 ft, but the GBU-15 family, which are TV guided remain at 10,000 feet.
Is this by design?

Bart,

Oversight I believe. GBUs release minimum release altitude will be lowered similar to LGBs in the next DB release.
-Wayne

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 11:01:25 PM   
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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/25/2020 11:23:22 PM   
stilesw


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Possible addition to the DB:
Japan Commisions first Maya clas Destroyer, DDG179.

Already logged for update in next DB3K release. Some details are different from other sources but the basic Maya will show up.
-WS

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 3/26/2020 12:20:00 AM   
stilesw


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It's definitely 483, I checked before posting with the intention of just upgrading the scenario and the editor says the scenario is using the latest DB.483.
Baffled as I did the same with a test scenario, added a MiG-29S and every thing worked and it had R-27 TSARH load outs. I will update the scenario again regardless and see if that fixes it.


I believe I've found the problem.

Did some more digging. Went to Akhtubinsk Air Base and selected Su-27S, 968IISAP, 1 Sqn #02. It says that it is loaded with
4x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH,
2x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27ER, LR SARH],
2x AA-11 Archer [R-73].
It should not do this since that weapon/loadout is no longer an option.

This would have been the original loadout when the scenario was created using DB3K_478. Since then, the TSARH AA-10 replaced the SARH AA-10.

When you try and load the Su-27S in the subsequent databases (i.e. 483) and check the “Show only usable loadouts” box the TSARH weapons do not show up at all but they do show up as possible loads when you look at the aircraft details in the DB viewer.

The problem happens (and I’ve had it happen to me as well during testing) when the scenario contains units that were loaded out in a previous database that did not have the new weapons. When the scenario is upgraded to DB3K_483 it still regards the aircraft as having a no longer existing weapon/loadout.

The solution is to remove all the aircraft (Su-27S) in question and replace them with a new Su-27S. Since the new aircraft and weapon are now both part of the new DB3K_483 it will load and show the correct loadouts.

Ideally, the scenario author would do this but he cannot be faulted because he would not necessarily have known of the change from SARH to TSARH. Probably the easiest solution for you is to delete and recreate all the AA-10 TSARH aircraft. Of course, don't forget to reassign them to their appropriate missions and necessary unit properties.

Hope this is of help,

-Wayne



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