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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

Canoerebel - yesterday was what - three pages back? Nothing in your response to Encircled mentioned or even hinted at a previous post. Next time, how about you go back, get that link, and quote it so we might-could see what you are referencing?

when I share a link from CNN in response that shows several states allowing houses of worship to stay open as "essential activity" and you counter with what you posted below... dude! The article I shared was as of April 2nd. The CNN link Encircled shared was an interview of someone leaving a church after attending worship...

I'm glad for you and all Georgians that the state of Georgia is doing such a swell job of cracking down on the virus. In my opinion, California is doing a pretty good job also.

I know people that wish to attend church regardless of the virus. I know others that say they can easily practice their faith at home until we get through this.

I appreciate your views of Nation-wide-press. I have grave concerns over our world-wide-press. But that doesn't give me leave to say what Encircled posted was inaccurate within a public forum unless I have something else to back up my claim...

Encircled is from across the pond. Both you and I are from the US but in different states. We all see the world through our own lens and many of us differ on how best to combat COVID-19.

All I'm saying is that it's bogus to put down what Encircled shared simply because you think it "might be" inaccurate. Let the guy post what he is seeing and considers relevant. Some of us really want to hear what others are seeing\feeling\thinking. We all learn better through sharing information.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Durned Wolf, I was referring to a similar post made yesterday about Georgia which was shown to be false by the actual provisions of the Georgia ordinance. The nationwide press has been getting it wrong. I'm not sure how many states allow religious services but I don't think many places actually are even if permitted to.

Nationwide decrees or statewide decrees may not be necessary when local jurisdictions act promptly, as they mostly have in the US. They have their fingers on the pulse of what's going. As noted in here, Georgia shut down it's schools three weeks ago, ahead of England. With a few exceptions, I think our federal system has worked pretty well.

Is this made up btw?

He's the bloke in charge!

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1246817424437108737



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ORIGINAL: Encircled

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Encircled, if this report is as accurate as the one posted yesterday, it's probably inaccurate.

And if there are 14 states that have done this, which would be a surprise, many or most religious groups are observing the countermeasures voluntarily.

Most places that I know of suspended meetings at least three weeks ago.

There have been a few notable exceptions (lamentably) but they are comparatively few and far between, judging from the reports I've read or heard.

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

This is genuinely terrifying.

https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/1246658639785492480

Canoerebel,


"It's probably inaccurate" is a really bogus thing to say to someone when you are comparing a news-link from a fellow formite only to reports that you've read\heard... What Encircled shared was from CNN...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/02/us/stay-at-home-order-religious-exemptions-states-coronavirus/index.html

Yup. If you watch Fox News (not saying you do btw!) then you would have a totally different view to the crisis.

You might think that going to church is still ok for example.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Look, China IS unarguably at fault for failing to give prompt and accurate information in order to save the skins of CCP and save face internationally. If they failed to properly monitor wet markets or, even worse, allowed an obviously catastrophically dangerous virus to escape a research center which should have had the absolute highest levels of biocontainment, the liability is an order of magnitude higher.

It is also true the US culturally has a difficult time enforcing a strict social distancing rule and that many individuals behaved selfishly and stupidly. This is what human beings do quite naturally. Mardi Gras should have been cancelled. The beaches in Florida should have been closed. In retrospect, even the Super Bowl should have been cancelled and the NBA should have cancelled earlier but the information about transmissibility was just coming out. Idiots holding religious gatherings against orders should be prosecuted.

How did the Chicoms enforce such a strict curfew in Wuhan? With the PAP that's how (The People's Armed Police). This is a paramilitary arm of CCP. They have live ammo, mortars, artillery, machine guns. NOBODY was allowed to leave their apartment. All taxis and buses were shut down. No public transport. You go outside..you get a AK round in your face. You let your dog out...they had crews clubbing dogs to death. You needed food? You placed an order over the phone and paid and someone delivered it the next day. Somebody in the house died from Covid? You call and they pick up the body. You can't get away with anything like this is in the West.

To say the modern democracies were unprepared is an obvious "the Pope is Catholic" pronouncement. More ventilators and PE were needed. The subways should have been shut down in NY...etc. etc.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Look, China IS unarguably at fault for failing to give prompt and accurate information in order to save the skins of CCP and save face internationally. If they failed to properly monitor wet markets or, even worse, allowed an obviously catastrophically dangerous virus to escape a research center which should have had the absolute highest levels of biocontainment, the liability is an order of magnitude higher.

It is also true the US culturally has a difficult time enforcing a strict social distancing rule and that many individuals behaved selfishly and stupidly. This is what human beings do quite naturally. Mardi Gras should have been cancelled. The beaches in Florida should have been closed. In retrospect, even the Super Bowl should have been cancelled and the NBA should have cancelled earlier but the information about transmissibility was just coming out. Idiots holding religious gatherings against orders should be prosecuted.

How did the Chicoms enforce such a strict curfew in Wuhan? With the PAP that's how (The People's Armed Police). This is a paramilitary arm of CCP. They have live ammo, mortars, artillery, machine guns. NOBODY was allowed to leave their apartment. All taxis and buses were shut down. No public transport. You go outside..you get a AK round in your face. You let your dog out...they had crews clubbing dogs to death. You needed food? You placed an order over the phone and paid and someone delivered it the next day. Somebody in the house died from Covid? You call and they pick up the body. You can't get away with anything like this is in the West.

To say the modern democracies were unprepared is an obvious "the Pope is Catholic" pronouncement. More ventilators and PE were needed. The subways should have been shut down in NY...etc. etc.

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Why would you say outdoor services are fine?

What medical evidence do you have to back that up?

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I read Fox news and Daily Wire and Briebart. Guess that makes me a brainwashed right winger from your perspective.

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ORIGINAL: Encircled



Completely agree with parts of that, but the biggest democracy in the world shut itself down overnight after only 10 deaths.

Seems pretty clear that our two nations dithered (for whatever reason) and its going to cost thousands of lives. Thats quite important.

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Why would you say outdoor services are fine?

What medical evidence do you have to back that up?

for my 2-cents - if everyone maintains that 6+ feet of separation... But then there's the parking lot. And there needs to be some kind of bathroom service - yes?

For myself, there's nothing wrong with me reading the bible and worshiping my higher power with my family. Trying this social-distancing thing seems to be reducing the size of the bell curve and social-distancing is not just about keeping me and my family safe but also, I'm trying to keep members of my community safe.

My concern is that I can pick up the virus and spread it for several days before I even show symptoms. It would almost kill me if I knew I'd brought it home and someone in my family passed on. The same with if I knew I infected someone else and the died. I feel this social-distancingthing is not just about me but about us - all of us. It's about trying to bring the bell curve down so our medical system stands a good chance of helping those of us who really have a bad reaction to COVID-19.

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India you mean? The later a country experiences a surge the smarter they look. I'm not sure India will weather this well either. I can imagine they are having trouble with testing. Parts of India may also benefit from the possible climactic protection that seems to be active in parts of Africa.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[To Encircled, with regard to his CNN post] I did. I told you that yesterday CNN reported that religious services were permitted in Georgia. They essentially aren't. CNN also significantly misplayed a statement made by the governor of Georgia. That's two instances I know of in the past few days, with many more going much further back.

The USA doesn't have a de facto national lockdown but the states are pretty much handling it very well. At least, well for how we operate. And many of our jurisdictions got it right ahead of the European nations (NOT, as I've emphasized over and over, because we were better but because we went "last" and thus were fortunate to learn from you all).

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

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I read Fox news and Daily Wire and Briebart. Guess that makes me a brainwashed right winger from your perspective.

Look, if those are your sources, that is completely up to you.

But the question is, do you have a national lock down yet?

And are 14 states still refusing to ban gatherings like the one highlighted in the news report?

You, CR and CM have all told me that CNN can't be trusted (either blatantly or in other ways) but none of you have told me whether that is true or not.

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Why would you say outdoor services are fine?

What medical evidence do you have to back that up?

for my 2-cents - if everyone maintains that 6+ feet of separation... But then there's the parking lot. And there needs to be some kind of bathroom service - yes?

For myself, there's nothing wrong with me reading the bible and worshiping my higher power with my family. Trying this social-distancing thing seems to be reducing the size of the bell curve and social-distancing is not just about keeping me and my family safe but also, I'm trying to keep members of my community safe.

My concern is that I can pick up the virus and spread it for several days before I even show symptoms. It would almost kill me if I knew I'd brought it home and someone in my family passed on. The same with if I knew I infected someone else and the died. I feel this social-distancingthing is not just about me but about us - all of us. It's about trying to bring the bell curve down so our medical system stands a good chance of helping those of us who really have a bad reaction to COVID-19.

Perfectly put, and I agree with everything you have said.

Why are people still going to church when I'm seeing virtual services from all denominations online?

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

There are many reasons for the "dithering"

--expats trying to get home
--fear of being called racist for travel bans
--tourism cancellations
--catastrophic economic consequences
--even public health consequence of economic calamity...depression, suicide, alcoholism, opiate addiction, homicide etc

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Why would you say outdoor services are fine?

What medical evidence do you have to back that up?

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That's like asking why the sky is blue - lol.

We all see things differently. Some folk just believe they need to be in a house of worship with a member of the cloth leading services. I think I'll stay at home and find a different solution to practice my faith.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

Why would you say outdoor services are fine?

What medical evidence do you have to back that up?

Because the risk of getting it is much lower outside than in a closed environment.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

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I read Fox news and Daily Wire and Briebart. Guess that makes me a brainwashed right winger from your perspective.

Look, if those are your sources, that is completely up to you.

But the question is, do you have a national lock down yet?

And are 14 states still refusing to ban gatherings like the one highlighted in the news report?

You, CR and CM have all told me that CNN can't be trusted (either blatantly or in other ways) but none of you have told me whether that is true or not.

No, we don't have a national lock down and are not likely to.
The thing about our democratic republic is that it functions at the local level.
Attempts by the feds at mandates will be resisted by the states.

In spite of the War Between the States, states still have rights.

Are all of the EU 'states' acting as one?

I never implied CNN can't be trusted, just that it presents with a leftist slant as Fox, DW and Breibart present with a right wing slant. Understanding the filter helps a lot in deciphering the hidden truth.

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ORIGINAL: Encircled

.....(though in your Presidents case, the states rights thing does complicate it a lot more)

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805