My data points are 4 bikes, 1 cat. Are your conclusions still valid?
Maybe it's just me, but when did cats start riding bikes? Do they keep spare bikes in case visitors come over?
Why did Warspite1's graph not include your cat?
Proving that his numbers must be flawed. I'm going to green button him!
Will Curtis get it? I'm going to green button him.
Cats and dogs living together, with bikes ... ahhhhhhhhh! I'm going to green button them too!
RR
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Those who say that Total Deaths and Total Recovered are "completely unrelated" are blind, deaf, and dumb. Together they make up the Total Resolved, and as such are obviously related.
The number I'm calculating is the only valid death rate we can derive that is based entirely on facts.
Everyone else is proffering opinions, beliefs, gut feelings, intuitions, etc. I'll pass.
ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay ...that is based entirely on facts.
Not true.
Many folks are given cause of death as coronavirus without having been given a test to see if they have the disease. Doctors have been given that latitude because test kits are in short supply, especially in particularly hard hit countries such as Italy.
None of the numbers you are using are "facts." They are simply "reported."
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My data points are 4 bikes, 1 cat. Are your conclusions still valid?
Maybe it's just me, but when did cats start riding bikes? Do they keep spare bikes in case visitors come over?
Why did Warspite1's graph not include your cat?
Proving that his numbers must be flawed. I'm going to green button him!
Will Curtis get it? I'm going to green button him.
Cats and dogs living together, with bikes ... ahhhhhhhhh! I'm going to green button them too!
RR
warspite1
Fetch me my angry trousers - I'm madder than I've ever been
Are you seriously questioning my numbers Mr RR?? Seriously? But I've dealt in facts. The total number of cats to bikes for the whole of the UK... except at the time of writing I only knew the numbers for my house... BUT never mind, them's the facts so that must be right mustn't it! I mean, no need to caveat my numbers or actually give any information
But that's it, I've had enough. I'm going to Green Button the entire world - including my little green button MWahahahahahahahaha
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ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay ...that is based entirely on facts.
Not true.
Many folks are given cause of death as coronavirus without having been given a test to see if they have the disease. Doctors have been given that latitude because test kits are in short supply, especially in particularly hard hit countries such as Italy.
None of the numbers you are using are "facts." They are simply "reported."
So the best you can say is "based on reported."
Which is what I've always said.
From my post #971:
"It is a FACT: Of all the known resolved corona virus cases worldwide, over 20% have died."
Now, if you want to base anything on Unknown cases, or Unresolved cases, you are engaging in opinion, etc.
This little post to prepare for deconfinement. 1) An IQ test for everyone. Only those who get at least 100 will be able to go out, the others will remain confined because their intelligence is a danger for everyone. 2) A National Resilience Council (CNR) which will represent the interests of ...... survivors. 3) A new Bretton Woods to deleverage humanity. All debts will be canceled, a new universal currency created: The coinvid. Hope.
Oh, snake-oil vendors again! Don´t know how anyone even supports this, no matter what relation there be.
There's a old German 17th. Century Story/Fable about Death; At the time of the plague, Death went to town. An old man on the outskirts asked him where he was going. Death said: I'll get a hundred people. On the way back the old man asked him why he got a thousand people. Death replied: I only got a hundred people. The others died of fear.
Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases
Definition of presumptive
1 : based on probability or presumption the presumptive nominee 2 : giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief
So no, the numbers being reported are not facts. They are a best guess. All numbers reported are flawed due to the lack of testing, including confirmed cases and death.
Sorry, mate. But you really should change your language to say that the numbers you are using are based on presumption and steer well clear of calling those numbers facts. Especially since the folks generating those numbers do not call them facts either.
Young, healthy Florida man has died from COVID-19 after dying in a car accident
Evidence is beginning to mount that young and healthy people can contract COVID-19 and die from the horrifying disease. Florida health officials reported that a 32-year-old Daytona resident, Carl Junior, with no preexisting conditions has died from coronavirus after dying in a car accident.
“It’s true that most people who are at serious risk of dying from COVID-19 are those who are about to die from other diseases, but young and healthy people are dropping dead left and right too!” Florida coronavirus Czar Jed Goebbels said.
The Daytona man was not officially tested for coronavirus, but the doctor was pretty sure he had it and a coughing fit was what caused him to be hit from behind by an 18-wheeler semi truck.
“This just goes to show that everyone needs to be fearful on this disease, not just a subset of unhealthy old-timers,” Goebbels added. “Everyone needs to panic a little more.”
For information on how to panic more during this crisis, please read GT’s Guide on Panicking during the Coronavirus Pandemic.
The Florida Democratic Committee on Economic Destruction celebrated the news of the untimely death after forcing Governor DeSantis to enact stay at home orders last week.
“Deaths like this prove that we are correct in shutting down the economy in order to protect people from this awful disease.”
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Today's worldwide figures:
Those who say that Total Deaths and Total Recovered are "completely unrelated" are blind, deaf, and dumb. Together they make up the Total Resolved, and as such are obviously related.
The number I'm calculating is the only valid death rate we can derive that is based entirely on facts.
Everyone else is proffering opinions, beliefs, gut feelings, intuitions, etc. I'll pass.
Like a kidney stone, yours will pass as well.
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Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases
Definition of presumptive
1 : based on probability or presumption the presumptive nominee 2 : giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief
So no, the numbers being reported are not facts. They are a best guess. All numbers reported are flawed due to the lack of testing, including confirmed cases and death.
Sorry, mate. But you really should change your language to say that the numbers you are using are based on presumption and steer well clear of calling those numbers facts. Especially since the folks generating those numbers do not call them facts either.
I'm not using the "Confirmed cases". I'm just using the deaths and recoveries.
And your claim sounds like a conspiracy theory. I'm assuming the official figures are as close to reality as we can get at this time.
Confirmed cases include presumptive positive cases
Definition of presumptive
1 : based on probability or presumption the presumptive nominee 2 : giving grounds for reasonable opinion or belief
So no, the numbers being reported are not facts. They are a best guess. All numbers reported are flawed due to the lack of testing, including confirmed cases and death.
Sorry, mate. But you really should change your language to say that the numbers you are using are based on presumption and steer well clear of calling those numbers facts. Especially since the folks generating those numbers do not call them facts either.
I'm not using the "Confirmed cases". I'm just using the deaths and recoveries.
And your claim sounds like a conspiracy theory. I'm assuming the official figures are as close to reality as we can get at this time.
When you step into the path of a truck going 80 mph and get splattered, when they do testing and find that you are positive for CoViD-19, then you will be marked as a CoViD-19 death. Of course, since you would be dead, I presume that you would not be able to include yourself in any chart.
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Those who say that Total Deaths and Total Recovered are "completely unrelated" are blind, deaf, and dumb. Together they make up the Total Resolved, and as such are obviously related.
The number I'm calculating is the only valid death rate we can derive that is based entirely on facts.
Everyone else is proffering opinions, beliefs, gut feelings, intuitions, etc. I'll pass.
The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.
The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.
False. My figure is total deaths / total resolved. Total resolved = total deaths + total recovered.
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@ warspite and lava, are you including presumptive cats and bikes, or only confirmed ones. What about ex-cats and broken bikes?
We have 2 actual bikes and no cats, but we may get may get one more bike or even a cat. Perhaps both.
I just want to be sure of my percentage calculations. Thanks in advance for any clarity you can provide.
warspite1
Z1812 why do you have to complicate things with additional data points?? I've given you the facts for the UK. 0 Cats and 3 Bikes. Then loki had to complicate things by bring in more data and suggesting a time thingy - how the hell do I model that in excel? I've only got a little brain... And now you are bringing in more data to analyse. No this is not fair, it's not, it's not.
I'm sorry but I'm only dealing in facts (my facts are the facts and everything else is white noise and shall be disregarded).
In the United Kingdom at present there are 0 cats and 3 bikes and they all reside chez warspite.
Psst - could you work out some percentages to go with my pie chart please?
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The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.
False. My figure is total deaths / total resolved. Total resolved = total deaths + total recovered.
I'm sorry - I misunderstood. But how can a metric that excludes total cases be meaningful?
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For you Lemay:
GT’s Definitive Guide to Panicking During the Coronavirus Pandemic
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There has been a lot of confusion during the chaos of the coronavirus plague and pandemic. The CDC has said that the current outbreak of stupidity may be worse than coronavirus. Do not listen to them! We are hear to set the record straight and ensure that you reject all reason in this crucial time.
The validity of Curtis' metric is called into question because the # of Deaths can exceed the # of Recovered. In that case, his metric would say that >100% of cases are fatal.
False. My figure is total deaths / total resolved. Total resolved = total deaths + total recovered.
I'm sorry - I misunderstood. But how can a metric that excludes total cases be meaningful?
How could a metric that includes total cases be anything but nonsense, since we don't know how they will resolve.
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So I guess no one has died of the virus. They have all died of pneumonia and/or organ failure. My daughter says everyone they send home from the hospital on their feet is a victory. She also said the deaths vs recovered is far worse than they imagined it would be. My wife has contact dermatitis so we keep a good supply of nitrile gloves on hand. We sent them all to my daughter to help her out. So while you are all worried about how many have the virus total my daughter is only concerned about those who come to her hospital vs those that walk out. She said the ones not serious enough to be in a hospital are not what she is concerned about. Maybe she is simply delirious from lack of sleep and all of you are much more knowledgeable about what is going on than she.
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So I guess no one has died of the virus. They have all died of pneumonia and/or organ failure. My daughter says everyone they send home from the hospital on their feet is a victory. She also said the deaths vs recovered is far worse than they imagined it would be. My wife has contact dermatitis so we keep a good supply of nitrile gloves on hand. We sent them all to my daughter to help her out. So while you are all worried about how many have the virus total my daughter is only concerned about those who come to her hospital vs those that walk out. She said the ones not serious enough to be in a hospital are not what she is concerned about. Maybe she is simply delirious from lack of sleep and all of you are much more knowledgeable about what is going on than she.
warspite1
So who are you attacking now? All of the thread? And for what? WTH??
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So I guess no one has died of the virus. They have all died of pneumonia and/or organ failure. My daughter says everyone they send home from the hospital on their feet is a victory. She also said the deaths vs recovered is far worse than they imagined it would be. My wife has contact dermatitis so we keep a good supply of nitrile gloves on hand. We sent them all to my daughter to help her out. So while you are all worried about how many have the virus total my daughter is only concerned about those who come to her hospital vs those that walk out. She said the ones not serious enough to be in a hospital are not what she is concerned about. Maybe she is simply delirious from lack of sleep and all of you are much more knowledgeable about what is going on than she.
warspite1
So who are you attacking now? All of the thread? And for what? WTH??
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