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Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/8/2020 11:21:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone shed some light as to why this IJN captain has near superhero stats in Scenario 1?

69 Leadership, 80 Insp, 91 Naval and 85 Aggression.

From a little Google-fu, he seems to have an impressive record as commander of the Takao, and then a series of staff jobs, before ending up as commander of the Musashi , then going back to staff work. Nothing stands out to me as being indicative of a electronic Nelson...

Anyone shed some light on this?
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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/8/2020 11:38:32 PM   
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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/8/2020 11:50:50 PM   
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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 12:04:19 AM   
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"At the start of World War II, Takao was commanded by Captain Asakura Bunji and assigned to Vice Admiral Kondo Nobutake’s Cruiser Division 4 together with her sister ships Atago and Maya. In late December 1941, she provided gunfire support for the landings at Lingayen Gulf on Luzon in the Philippines.

In early 1942, Takao operated in the Battle of the Java Sea in early March. On March 1, one of Takao’s floatplanes bombed the Dutch merchant ship Enggano. The next night, Takao and Atago sank the old United States Navy destroyer Pillsbury with no survivors.

On March 4, Takao, Atago, Maya and two destroyers, attacked a convoy near Tjilatjap. The Royal Australian Navy sloop HMAS Yarra defending the convoy was sunk with 34 survivors of her crew of 151. (Of these 34 survivors, only 13 were alive to be picked up a week later by the Dutch submarine K XI and taken to Ceylon.) The Japanese cruisers then sank three ships from the convoy: the tanker Francol, the depot ship Anking, and a minesweeper. Two Dutch freighters were also captured.

In June 1942, Takao and Maya supported the invasion of the Aleutian Islands. On June 5, Takao shot down a B-17 Flying Fortress.

In August 1942, Takao was assigned to Operation Ka, the Japanese reinforcement during the Battle of Guadalcanal, and participated in the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands on October 26. A determined attempt to shell the US base at Henderson Field led to the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal: early in the morning of 15 November 1942, the battleship Kirishima, supported by Takao and Atago, engaged the American battleships Washington and South Dakota. All three Japanese ships hit South Dakota multiple times with shells, knocking out her radar and fire controls. However, Kirishima was quickly disabled by Washington and sank a few hours later. Atago was damaged. Takao escaped unharmed."


After he left

"In 1943, Takao supported the evacuation of Guadalcanal. She operated in the central Pacific from her base at Truk. On 5 November 1943, while being refueled at Rabaul in the Bismarck Islands she came under attack by SBD Dauntless dive bombers from USS Saratoga. Takao was hit by two bombs that killed 23. Her damaged steering mechanism forced her to return to Yokosuka in Japan for repairs."

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 12:20:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		His MUSASHI command looks good

http://www.combinedfleet.com/musashi.htm


He could handle bad times:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Musashi

"The ship remained in Truk Lagoon until 10 February 1944, when she returned to Yokosuka. On 24 February, Musashi sailed for Palau, carrying one Imperial Japanese Army battalion and another of Special Naval Landing Forces and their equipment.

After losing most of her deck cargo during a typhoon, she arrived at Palau on 29 February and remained there for the next month.

On 29 March, Musashi departed Palau under cover of darkness to avoid an expected air raid, and encountered the submarine USS Tunny, which fired six torpedoes at the battleship; five of them missed, but the sixth blew a hole 5.8 metres (19 ft) in diameter near the bow, flooding her with 3000 tonnes of water.[23]

The torpedo hit killed seven crewmen and wounded another eleven. After temporary repairs, Musashi sailed for Japan later that night and arrived at Kure Naval Arsenal on 3 April."


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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 1:27:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is no Captain Asakura Bunji in the "official" scenario 1 database.

Are you playing a mod? The scenario designer may be able to comment.





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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 1:36:45 AM   
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There is no Captain Asakura Bunji in the "official" scenario 1 database.

Are you playing a mod? The scenario designer may be able to comment.






Yes, there is. He doesn't arrive till May '42.

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 1:40:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		The famous bunji cord was named in his honor!! Strong, flexible,...watch out if you over-stretch.

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 1:41:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		What slot number is he?

My search of "Bunj" has zero returns.

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 1:49:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Further to that in GC scen 1, Takao is commanded by a Captain Omi, I. on 411207. In leader slot 5031.

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 2:15:19 AM   
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What slot number is he?

My search of "Bunj" has zero returns.


Slot 1700: "Asakura, Bunji"

So yes, backwards, lol

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 2:56:10 AM   
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The famous bunji cord was named in his honor!! Strong, flexible,...watch out if you over-stretch.


lmao.

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 3:37:44 AM   
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quote:

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What slot number is he?

My search of "Bunj" has zero returns.


Slot 1700: "Asakura, Bunji"

So yes, backwards, lol


That explains it!

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 1:59:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		The relevant dev who dealt with this basically did not review the stats of existing classical WITP IJN admirals who were brought over to AE.  There was concern that altering the existing stats could result in creating unwanted problems for the AI.  It certainly would have considerably increased the AE development workload.

In general terms leader stats are a subjective assessment based on the service record.  They also have to take into account the needs of the AI, in particular the Japanese AI scripts.  Unlike a human, the computer opponent does not change unit leaders.

Alfred

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 2:03:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		And, the exe may insert random leaders with random stats if needed to fill slots. Could be air rating 98 in theory.

True or false Alfred?

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 2:11:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		A pilot who gets auto "promoted" to squadron leader, gets an auto generated set of leader stats.  Those stats "disappear" if he ceases to be a leader.

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 2:47:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		And ship captains?

I've had RN carrier captains turn up late war with air ratings in the 90s.

This was in Andy's ironman 3, and they were not in the database. Absolute randoms.

And, Alfred, you didn't answer my question.

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 2:49:04 PM   
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The relevant dev who dealt with this basically did not review the stats of existing classical WITP IJN admirals who were brought over to AE.  There was concern that altering the existing stats could result in creating unwanted problems for the AI.  It certainly would have considerably increased the AE development workload.

In general terms leader stats are a subjective assessment based on the service record.  They also have to take into account the needs of the AI, in particular the Japanese AI scripts.  Unlike a human, the computer opponent does not change unit leaders.

Alfred


Thanks Alfred, I suspected that this was a likely outcome.

Anyone care to take a guess at why Bunji ranks so high, compared to other IJN captains with similar or more well known combat records?

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 3:08:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		His "Naval well-roundness"??


From his non-combat experience:

Instructor, Naval Academy

Trainer, Naval Academy

Naval Ship Building Command


I read in one book he was a "impatient" man

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 3:29:13 PM   
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His "Naval well-roundness"??


From his non-combat experience:

Instructor, Naval Academy

Trainer, Naval Academy

Naval Ship Building Command


I read in one book he was a "impatient" man


Possibly, it is just odd that the game rates him as the most proficient IJN captain, but yet very little material appears on him. Contrast with Rezio Tanaka and others.

At any rate, his career doesn't seem all that different from the "typical" IJN career path. Naval shipbuilding does indicate a strong degree of intelligence, as I know that was where a lot of the great naval minds went, given the complexity of ship design and construction.

It is the case that he was just a supremely competent officer that didn't get the limelight that others did?

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 5:06:32 PM   
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And ship captains?

I've had RN carrier captains turn up late war with air ratings in the 90s.

This was in Andy's ironman 3, and they were not in the database. Absolute randoms.

And, Alfred, you didn't answer my question.


Not sure about ship captains but the game creates full admirals as TF leaders with killer stats.
The first three of my top 5 carrier admirals are not in the database.





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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 6:13:08 PM   
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Plus, many people don't know but he was the grandfather of Yoko Ono and she got all her musical talent from his side of the family

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 6:22:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alfred

The relevant dev who dealt with this basically did not review the stats of existing classical WITP IJN admirals who were brought over to AE.  There was concern that altering the existing stats could result in creating unwanted problems for the AI.  It certainly would have considerably increased the AE development workload.

In general terms leader stats are a subjective assessment based on the service record.  They also have to take into account the needs of the AI, in particular the Japanese AI scripts.  Unlike a human, the computer opponent does not change unit leaders.

Alfred


Thanks Alfred, I suspected that this was a likely outcome.

Anyone care to take a guess at why Bunji ranks so high, compared to other IJN captains with similar or more well known combat records?


The AI has a high opinion of him?


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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 7:12:37 PM   
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Yeah, I checked Pac War for his service record, but nothing jumps out at me. Plenty of others with similar records that are in the 65+ range, but Bunji is in a league of his own!


Apologies for my ignorance but could you please direct me in the right direction of 'Pac War'?

Thanks

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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 7:38:29 PM   
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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 8:02:03 PM   
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I found why:








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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/9/2020 9:16:44 PM   
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And ship captains?

I've had RN carrier captains turn up late war with air ratings in the 90s.

This was in Andy's ironman 3, and they were not in the database. Absolute randoms.

And, Alfred, you didn't answer my question.


Not sure about ship captains but the game creates full admirals as TF leaders with killer stats.
The first three of my top 5 carrier admirals are not in the database.






I think there are cases where ship captains can enter the TF commander pool. IIRC you can use it to get some real monsters that normally can't command TF's in charge.


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Yeah, I checked Pac War for his service record, but nothing jumps out at me. Plenty of others with similar records that are in the 65+ range, but Bunji is in a league of his own!


Apologies for my ignorance but could you please direct me in the right direction of 'Pac War'?

Thanks


http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/

A good resource, especially where officers are concerned.



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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/10/2020 2:46:33 AM   
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I found why:









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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/10/2020 5:57:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		LST is correct, it is TF rear admirals who are added by the exe. Here are my RN carrier admirals (in 1947).

What I find really amusing, or at least nostalgic, is that Usher, Crandall, etc were all names of (British-Commonwealth) platoon commanders in Gary Grigsby's Steel Panthers back in about 1991. I infer that AE still has some legacy code that includes Mr Grigsby's list of leader names. Whilst most of them are names which appear in the leader database at least once- with different initials - there is no leader named Crandall in my scenario. Last time I saw Crandall he was commanding a troop of Crusader tanks in Libya





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RE: Captain Asakura Bunji - 4/10/2020 5:58:28 AM   
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I found why:









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