Slitherine

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Yes, that is one hypothesis.

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

Quarantine measures in Italy have been extended to May 3.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

How to Make China Pay

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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Yes, that is one hypothesis.

Well gravity is still a theory too but but most modern scholarship points firmly at Kansas, and then it jumped to Fort Riley, and spread through other over crowded Army bases, boarded a ship with the troops and landed in Breast France, infected thousands there, went quite in the summer, mutated (they have a solid genetic chain of evidence, much of it cited in the footnotes of the article you posted including the accepted best book on the subject and the meticulously referenced and researched The Great Influenza by John Barry), came back in a more deadly, mutated strain, brought 4 great armies to their knees, halted the 1918 German offensive, came back across the Atlantic and killed tens of thousands in Army bases and millions in cities and traveled around the world, again, killing millions more. It's not hard to trace these things over time. Heck, scholars have used written records to track the progress of great plagues since Roman times.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Eliminate the mailing rate situation where it costs less to mail things from China to the US than it does from within the US.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

It seems we’re forgetting the symbiosis of the China and US situations. Very simply, the US needs them to make things but also to invest in the US. China needs the US to buy things.

Neither can really get along without the other right now or the economic system doesn’t work.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

That is good news!

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

How to Make China Pay

I wonder who would win an asset-seizure war?

China is not a signatory to the ICC and neither is the US. Can't use UN sanctions because they can veto. Private citizens suing and seizing Chinese assets might work but they would have to identify guilty individuals or even Chinese corporations to blame.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Cut back on the number of Chinese students allowed in the US as well as encourage other countries to do so. I prefer things which have greater impact on that government and less impact on ordinary people. I don't like this option. Encourage compnies to move elsewhere. Pass laws/treaties that if the production of a certain product does not follow certain environmental standards, then add a tax to the product. HAVE CUSTOMS INSPECT EVERY SHIPMENT FROM CHINA. Bad option. I think. The delay on that will cost money. Inspect it on the ship before it unloads the cargo. Eliminate the mailing rate situation where it costs less to mail things from China to the US than it does from within the US. Really? That one is news to me.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

It seems we’re forgetting the symbiosis of the China and US situations. Very simply, the US needs them to make things but also to invest in the US. China needs the US to buy things.

Neither can really get along without the other right now or the economic system doesn’t work.

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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Yes, that is one hypothesis.

Well gravity is still a theory too but but most modern scholarship points firmly at Kansas, and then it jumped to Fort Riley, and spread through other over crowded Army bases, boarded a ship with the troops and landed in Breast France, infected thousands there, went quite in the summer, mutated (they have a solid genetic chain of evidence, much of it cited in the footnotes of the article you posted including the accepted best book on the subject and the meticulously referenced and researched The Great Influenza by John Barry), came back in a more deadly, mutated strain, brought 4 great armies to their knees, halted the 1918 German offensive, came back across the Atlantic and killed tens of thousands in Army bases and millions in cities and traveled around the world, again, killing millions more. It's not hard to trace these things over time. Heck, scholars have used written records to track the progress of great plagues since Roman times.

Just want to note that "theory" in science is not the same as "theory" in colloquial language. In science, it means a model that is proven and encompasses all the evidence and principles therein. In conversation, it means simply a hypothesis. I wasn't aware of the research you mention - I'll have to dig into that sometime... sometime.


PS - Breast France sounds like a swell place.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This morning saw a news headline that the UK PM had been released from the hospital. That seemed surprising, because there was a blurb last night reporting he had been "at death's door." From news he had been put in ICU to reported "death's door" to purported release, all within about five days? That isn't the sort of speedy progression usually reported for people seriously ill with the virus.

I went back to find the source of the "at death's door" report. Apparently it was the Mirror. I' not familiar with it, nor with it's reputation for reliability.

Is that seemingly fast progression accurate?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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Yes, that is one hypothesis.

Well gravity is still a theory too but but most modern scholarship points firmly at Kansas, and then it jumped to Fort Riley, and spread through other over crowded Army bases, boarded a ship with the troops and landed in Breast France, infected thousands there, went quite in the summer, mutated (they have a solid genetic chain of evidence, much of it cited in the footnotes of the article you posted including the accepted best book on the subject and the meticulously referenced and researched The Great Influenza by John Barry), came back in a more deadly, mutated strain, brought 4 great armies to their knees, halted the 1918 German offensive, came back across the Atlantic and killed tens of thousands in Army bases and millions in cities and traveled around the world, again, killing millions more. It's not hard to trace these things over time. Heck, scholars have used written records to track the progress of great plagues since Roman times.

Just want to note that "theory" in science is not the same as "theory" in colloquial language. In science, it means a model that is proven and encompasses all the evidence and principles therein. In conversation, it means simply a hypothesis. I wasn't aware of the research you mention - I'll have to dig into that sometime... sometime.


PS - Breast France sounds like a swell place.

Isn't it more like "not falsified", "consistent with the evidence"? In other words, no examples which contradict the theory have been identified?

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This morning saw a news headline that the UK PM had been released from the hospital. That seemed surprising, because there was a blurb last night reporting he had been "at death's door." From news he had been put in ICU to reported "death's door" to purported release, all within about five days? That isn't the sort of speedy progression usually reported for people seriously ill with the virus.

I went back to find the source of the "at death's door" report. Apparently it was the Mirror. I' not familiar with it, nor with it's reputation for reliability.

Is that seemingly fast progression accurate?

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Cap, I've heard secondhand stories of serious complications, etc. like lung issues. Those weren't reliable sources and didn't mention whether the issues were temporary or permanent.

Do you have a shorthand synopsis of side effects (preferably in reasonable layman lingo)?

Thanks.

Possible lung problems in recovered (or acutely ill) COVID patients:

1) Barotrauma (literally injury to the lung from positive pressure ventilation). A serious risk when the ventilatory support is prolonged or extreme. this may be permanent.

2) Lung scarring from the viral pneumonia and inflammatory processes itself. This may be permanent or take a long time to go away.

3) Pulmonary hypertension...elevation of pressure in the pulmonary arteries. Bad. Can cause "right to left shunting and severe depression or arterial oxygen levels. There is a trial in the US of Nitric Oxide gas during ventilation to reduce this.

4) Pulmonary embolism. Blood clots propagating in the extremity veins or even the heart and moving downstream to the lungs. Very, very bad.

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This morning saw a news headline that the UK PM had been released from the hospital. That seemed surprising, because there was a blurb last night reporting he had been "at death's door." From news he had been put in ICU to reported "death's door" to purported release, all within about five days? That isn't the sort of speedy progression usually reported for people seriously ill with the virus.

I went back to find the source of the "at death's door" report. Apparently it was the Mirror. I' not familiar with it, nor with it's reputation for reliability.

Is that seemingly fast progression accurate?

The Mirror is a pooh-ticket, or so my UK acquaintances tell me. It's a wonder they haven't reported Covid-19 as the opening salvo of an alien invasion.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Cut back on the number of Chinese students allowed in the US as well as encourage other countries to do so. I prefer things which have greater impact on that government and less impact on ordinary people. I don't like this option. Encourage companies to move elsewhere. Pass laws/treaties that if the production of a certain product does not follow certain environmental standards, then add a tax to the product. HAVE CUSTOMS INSPECT EVERY SHIPMENT FROM CHINA. Bad option. I think. The delay on that will cost money. Inspect it on the ship before it unloads the cargo. Eliminate the mailing rate situation where it costs less to mail things from China to the US than it does from within the US. Really? That one is news to me.

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Why is China to US shipping cost so much cheaper than US to China?

Jun 5, 2013 1:01:44 AM

I bought an item from a seller in Hong Kong for $6 and $1.50 shipping. The item was broken so the seller told me to return for refund.

The shipping weight is 5 ounces. To ship from the US to Hong Kong with the cheapest USPS service that has delivery confirmation (priority international) it will cost $34.87. To ship 1st class without tracking it will cost $11.48.

How in the world did the china seller pay for the product, pay ebay and paypal fees, pay for packing material and ship to me WITH TRACKING for 1/4 of the cost it would cost me just in shipping costs alone to send the item back?