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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 6:25:29 PM   
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(1) No DOWs. No special actions. No alignments.
(3) Actions. USSR (neutral) - combine, China - land.
(3) No air or naval missions.
(4) No rail.

Europe.

The USSR uses 2 of her 5 land moves in Europe.

(1) 1st eng div. USSR 40,51 to Latvia 43,50.
(2) 37 mm AT div. Poland 54,51 to 52,51.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 6:31:04 PM   
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China.

communist Chinese, use 3 of 5 USSR land moves.
(1) 1st inf army. China 75,35 to 75,134.
(2) Lanchow Warlord. Tianshui to China 73,133.
(3) Mao HQ-I. China 75,134 to Tianshui.

Nationalist Chinese.
(1) 1st cav. China 78,135 to 79,133 (flips).
(2) 1st inf army. China 79,133 to 80,134.
(3) Chungking MIL. China 85,143 to 87,142 (flips).
(4) Canton MIL. China 90,142 to 90,141.
(5) 2nd cav corps. China 91,138 to 89,136.
(6) Shanghai MIL. Nanning to China 91,137.
(7) Chunking Warlord. Chinkieng to China 85,137.
(8) Kumning MIL. China 89,135 to 90,136.




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 8:00:10 PM   
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No DOW or alignments.

CW combined
France Land
US Pass

End of turn chance 20%

Portattack:
None

Naval air:
None

Naval moves:
A CW fleet in Port Said moves out into the Eastern Med. As I am staying the the sea I will elect to not intercept in the interest of moving the impulse along.
The dutch SUB moves into the Italian Coast.

Naval combat:


(1) CW does not initiate in Cape St. Vincent.

(2) CW initiates in the Eastern Med



Does Italy want to intercept their FTR in Syracuse to the 0 or 1-box?
Does Italy want to commit their subs in Eastern Med?


(3) CW initiates in the Italian Coast with their lone SUB.


Italy has up to 3 FTR that can react, do any of them want to react?

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 9:15:18 PM   
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Edit: Looks like only one CV plane with 1-factor so no aircraft for the Italians anywhere thank-you.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 9:26:34 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 9:30:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

and the SUBS?
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The subs will remain deep; no thank-you


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 9:40:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 5. May/June. Allied #8, part 2

Naval combat continued:
There are actually no CVs on the CW side.
CA Kent flips to initiate combat in the Eastern Med.
Italy does not fly their FTR.
Italian subs do not commit.

Allies rolls 8
Axis rolls 7
No combat.

CW initiates naval combat in the Italian Coast with their lone SUB.
Italy does not commit their FTRs.
CW commits their SUB.
Allies rolls 1
Axis rolls 2
(1) No surprisepoints for some reason I do not understand. Both in the 4-box, I roll 1 better and they have convoys. Why do I not get two surprisepoints?
(2) Another strange thing is that my Dutch sub has Naval attack 3 against the 3 Naval attack of the Italian CA. The program suggests no effect on the CA and an abort my SUB. Why? Should the damage not be symmetrical here?






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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 9:50:04 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 9:51:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Sorry Jp - I'll let someone who understands these things answer those questions!



I am just confused, it might be correct but then this is a learning experience :-)

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 9:58:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Sorry Jp - I'll let someone who understands these things answer those questions!



I am just confused
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I second that emotion..... all the time


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/12/2020 10:26:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jesperpehrson

Turn 5. May/June. Allied #8, part 2
CW initiates naval combat in the Italian Coast with their lone SUB.
Italy does not commit their FTRs.
CW commits their SUB.
Allies rolls 1
Axis rolls 2
(1) No surprisepoints for some reason I do not understand. Both in the 4-box, I roll 1 better and they have convoys. Why do I not get two surprisepoints?
(2) Another strange thing is that my Dutch sub has Naval attack 3 against the 3 Naval attack of the Italian CA. The program suggests no effect on the CA and an abort my SUB. Why? Should the damage not be symmetrical here?

The Allies should have one surprise point, which does nothing, so the surprise phase is skipped. The opposing CP does not give you surprise points; it just adjusts the number you need to find by one.

When a sub fights a surface combat, its combat value is reduced by one. So the CA has a strength of 3 and you have a strength of 2.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 7:33:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Courtenay
The Allies should have one surprise point, which does nothing, so the surprise phase is skipped. The opposing CP does not give you surprise points; it just adjusts the number you need to find by one.

When a sub fights a surface combat, its combat value is reduced by one. So the CA has a strength of 3 and you have a strength of 2.


Wonderful Courtenay. Thank you very much. The more you know.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 8:01:09 AM   
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Naval combat continued:

Italian Coast.
Italian risk: None
Allied risk: 1 A

Armourroll Dutch SUB is 9 and it does not abort (1/2 abort recieved)

CW stays and I assume Italy will too.

Searchrolls round 2
No FTR-reaction
SUBS commit
Allies 6
Italy 6
No more combat

Strategic bombardment:
None

Groundstrike:
None

Rail movement:
None

Land movement:
France defends Paris


CW MECH moves up next to Tripoli


Indian forces move towards Mumbai


Land attacks:
None

Air rebase:
The Belgian FTR is rebased to Dover


End of turn on die less than 3
Roll is 3, turn sent back to the Axis after rolling weather for Axis impulse 9.

Weatherroll is 4


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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 11:36:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Germans and Italians will both be taking a Land. Please let me know the Japanese orders as and when.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 1:08:53 PM   
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Axis 9
Japan chooses land move.
Rail move: Two units from port Hangchow to Tungkwan.
Further no action till movement phase.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 1:32:34 PM   
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Impulse: 9 (Axis)

Declarations of War and Alignments: None

Japan: Land
Germany: Land
Italy: Land

Naval Air: None

Strategic Bombing: None
Ground Strike:
Germany

An ART targets French forces east of Paris
An ART targets Brussels




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 1:48:14 PM   
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Impulse: 9 (Axis)

Rail Movement:
Japan

Japan rail two units from Hangchow to Tungkwan

Germany

A GARR heads to Danzig from France
A GARR heads to Bremen from France

Balbo makes a break for freedom to the west, while his companions from the CCNN head south. The Libyans get confused, can't decide who is the better bet and head between them. Meanwhile the poor artillery are asked to play the part of the Forelorn Hope and make a last ditch stand for the good of their compadres.

A French submarine has to re-base (Bordeaux occupied). Where does it go to?

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 2:08:56 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 2:17:47 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 2:29:46 PM   
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Impulse: 9 (Axis)

Land Movement (cont):
Italy

The Italian motorised continues on to Bayonne, while the Italian Mech reaches the English Channel.

Germany

The Germans push up to the bumper a la Grace Jones - the bumper in this case being the front line and not naughty bits.

I hand over to the Japanese

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 6:52:18 PM   
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Defenders choose Blitzkrieg for the Lanchow WL.
Unmodified roll = 9.33 / Roll = 11. Modified roll 20 (Fractional roll = 504 missed)
1/2 of the attacking are disorganised. I chose the Cav. and the 18th inf to disorganise.
All units except the cav move into conquered hex.

Assault on Chungking mil. Odds +19 / roll= 12 Modified roll=23
Nobody moves into hex (It's quarantaine corona zone)




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 7:00:02 PM   
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Air reorganisation: Air Trsport reorganises the Comb.Cav corps and lands in Sian.
Rebase the Naval plane from Nanning to Sian
That's it for Japan this impuls




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 7:33:46 PM   
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So to assist that, the Germans are announcing just two attacks - east of Paris and east of La Rochelle.

The latter has odds of 12:1(+21) and the choice of table will be French. The Axis have no fighters that can reach.

The former is 64:13 (+10.8/14.3B) the Germans have choice of table and can bring in a 1 x 6, 1 x 5 and 1 x 3 fighters.

EDIT: Sorry Jp - I think HQ Support is first and von Bock WILL provide.

Do the French bring in their bomber for either?




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/13/2020 8:21:52 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/14/2020 6:17:34 AM   
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Land Combat:
Japan

As above. I assume from the picture that the shattered is not converted to retreat.

Germany

The attack against the Bordeaux MIL is +21 and so automatic. I am not sure about these modifiers (it changed to +25 as soon as I went to Land Combat) so to be on the safe side I 'threw' a 2 and yes, it was automatic.

For the attack east of Paris I choose the Blitz table. The fractionals succeed (120 is thrown) taking the modifier to +16, and the land throw is 19(23). Two French units are destroyed and one shattered (no conversion). There is an ART coming back for Paris so on behalf of the French I shatter the armour (please let me know if you want to re-do).




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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/14/2020 6:42:35 AM   
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Rebase:
Germany

The Germans take the opportunity to rebase fighter aircraft to northern Germany and Holland.

Italy

An Italian bomber heads back to Italy

Japan

There is nothing in Nanning so assume the NAV to be the one at Nanyang and I move this to Sian.

Air Reorganisation:
Japan

The ATR drops supplies to the cavalry in the Ordos Desert

Reorganisation:
Germany

Just in case the Axis should get another impulse, von Leeb reorganises a stuka.

End of Turn: Turn ends on less than a 4 (a 2 is thrown)

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/14/2020 12:56:59 PM   
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Land Combat:
Germany

The attack against the Bordeaux MIL is +21 and so automatic. I am not sure about these modifiers (it changed to +25 as soon as I went to Land Combat) so to be on the safe side I 'threw' a 2 and yes, it was automatic.

In the choose combat window the computer displays all combats of +21 and higher as +21, since that is automatic. I don't know why it is done this way.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/14/2020 3:41:00 PM   
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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/14/2020 5:10:20 PM   
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Edit: Yes it does destroy 2 oil.

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RE: GLOBAL WAR COUNTER-FACTUAL (W1/Wilhelm vs rkr1958/jp) - 4/14/2020 5:19:01 PM   
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