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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:07:40 PM   
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Okay,

Has Jacksonville isolated all its cases?

If it hasn't, then a much harder 2nd wave of restrictions is inevitable sadly.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:10:04 PM   
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No it isn't inevitable.

In most jurisdictions in the US, people are encouraged to exercise - to visit parks, to hike, to bicycle - all while maintaining social distancing and other prudent measures. This seems to be working fine.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:10:18 PM   
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People around here have already decided which is best and they are acting on it.



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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:12:34 PM   
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And now for something completely the same...more graphs.

'Genetic tracing 'barcode' is rapidly revealing COVID-19's journey and evolution' https://phys.org/news/2020-04-genetic-barcode-rapidly-revealing-covid-.html






Random Noise?

There is overlapping in the 3RNA base coding for which specific Amino Acid. so sometimes it may just grab which ever RNA base is available without incurring a change in the Amino Acid - no change in it's protein structure.

Very Important:
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"We're seeing that the two parts of the virus that seem not to be mutating are the ones responsible for its entry into healthy cells and packaging its RNA," Rosen said. "Both of these are important targets for understanding the body's immune response, identifying antiviral therapeutics and designing vaccines."






Yes, this is the genetic concept of a "conserved region". The coding for the attachment site binding protein is crucial for replication and transmission so mutations that affect the binding site are eliminated in one generation. The RNA based vaccines actually target this region. So do the PCR tests.

Conserved genes also apply across species which is why we have some cell surface protein dangerously close to the horseshoe bat for some GD reason.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:14:37 PM   
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UK govt extends its furlough payment scheme to the end of June.

That tells everyone just how far we off returning to normal.


Wow. That is a long time.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:14:38 PM   
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Right now, I wouldn't go to a movie theater or a packed stadium, if any were open.

But I've been doing more hiking, biking, and canoeing than ever. Almost always by myself, but sometimes with a companion.

Tonight, my wife and I are going camping with friends. Wife and I will drive together and sleep in our tent together. The others are a family that will drive together and sleep in their tent. In the great outdoors, it'll be easy to maintain distancing. We'll probably have a campfire, with wife and me on one side and them on the other. I have no reservations about this, but I wouldn't want to go to the store where a bunch of people might be hacking and wheezing.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:16:10 PM   
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Where are the NanoBiobots with variable binding sites to combat antigens?

In storage with flying cars.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:17:50 PM   
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Right now, I wouldn't go to a movie theater or a packed stadium, if any were open.

But I've been doing more hiking, biking, and canoeing than ever. Almost always by myself, but sometimes with a companion.

Tonight, my wife and I are going camping with friends. Wife and I will drive together and sleep in our tent together. The others are a family that will drive together and sleep in their tent. In the great outdoors, it'll be easy to maintain distancing. We'll probably have a campfire, with wife and me on one side and them on the other. I have no reservations about this, but I wouldn't want to go to the store where a bunch of people might be hacking and wheezing.
warspite1

So no wife swapping or group sessions this weekend then? Very sensible under the circumstances.


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:18:11 PM   
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No it isn't inevitable.

In most jurisdictions in the US, people are encouraged to exercise - to visit parks, to hike, to bicycle - all while maintaining social distancing and other prudent measures. This seems to be working fine.



No doubt that lots of people are being sensible, in every country

But the medical/scientific advice sure as hell isn't to reopen stuff before the peak of the curve is reached.





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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:20:04 PM   
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Right now, I wouldn't go to a movie theater or a packed stadium, if any were open.

But I've been doing more hiking, biking, and canoeing than ever. Almost always by myself, but sometimes with a companion.

Tonight, my wife and I are going camping with friends. Wife and I will drive together and sleep in our tent together. The others are a family that will drive together and sleep in their tent. In the great outdoors, it'll be easy to maintain distancing. We'll probably have a campfire, with wife and me on one side and them on the other. I have no reservations about this, but I wouldn't want to go to the store where a bunch of people might be hacking and wheezing.


I appreciate that you've got far more land to do that than we have, but the great open spaces around us are closed.

The Lakes, the Pennines are all within an hours drive from us and they are turning around cars that attempt to visit.

I guess we will see which way works best!

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:21:49 PM   
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Right now, I wouldn't go to a movie theater or a packed stadium, if any were open.

But I've been doing more hiking, biking, and canoeing than ever. Almost always by myself, but sometimes with a companion.

Tonight, my wife and I are going camping with friends. Wife and I will drive together and sleep in our tent together. The others are a family that will drive together and sleep in their tent. In the great outdoors, it'll be easy to maintain distancing. We'll probably have a campfire, with wife and me on one side and them on the other. I have no reservations about this, but I wouldn't want to go to the store where a bunch of people might be hacking and wheezing.



Then this lands on you....




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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:23:44 PM   
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Everyone is already walking in my neighborhood. One of the neighbors is even practicing social distancing by bagging up the dog **** and throwing it over my fence. While I am doing telehealth visits I watch to see who has blue dog **** bags and who is carrying one on the way back up the street. This incentive is helping to maintain my mental health.

I drive through Irvine on the way to work. The whole city is out exercising. It's amazing. City and County and State parks and beaches are closed and they police them. You could easily drive 100 mph on the freeways if you are willing to risk a ticket. There is very little traffic. Mostly trucks.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:25:32 PM   
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Everyone is already walking in my neighborhood. One of the neighbors is even practicing social distancing by bagging up the dog **** and throwing it over my fence. While I am doing telehealth visits I watch to see who has blue dog **** bags and who is carrying one on the way back up the street. This incentive is helping to maintain my mental health.

I drive through Irvine on the way to work. The whole city is out exercising. It's amazing. City and County and State parks and beaches are closed and they police them. You could easily drive 100 mph on the freeways if you are willing to risk a ticket. There is very little traffic. Mostly trucks.


The exercise levels over here are the same.

it helps that its been four weeks of unbroken blue skies (which for Northern England is practically unheard of!)


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:27:13 PM   
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Yes, we have tons of wild lands. No need to avoid them here whatsoever.


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Right now, I wouldn't go to a movie theater or a packed stadium, if any were open.

But I've been doing more hiking, biking, and canoeing than ever. Almost always by myself, but sometimes with a companion.

Tonight, my wife and I are going camping with friends. Wife and I will drive together and sleep in our tent together. The others are a family that will drive together and sleep in their tent. In the great outdoors, it'll be easy to maintain distancing. We'll probably have a campfire, with wife and me on one side and them on the other. I have no reservations about this, but I wouldn't want to go to the store where a bunch of people might be hacking and wheezing.


I appreciate that you've got far more land to do that than we have, but the great open spaces around us are closed.

The Lakes, the Pennines are all within an hours drive from us and they are turning around cars that attempt to visit.

I guess we will see which way works best!


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:28:45 PM   
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All this has made me rethink my hobby of anally swabbing bats. I might take up fishing.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:30:14 PM   
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Thankfully I live in the middle of what could be a state park.

I lived in Houston Tx for 4 years. I could never do A city again.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:31:45 PM   
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This is the third time a forumite has raised the "additional deaths" argument against those he disagrees with. That's....well, any word inserted is too charged. Put it this way - it's a loathsome way to try and make points, suggesting that others favor or are responsible for or will cause deaths.

I'll address this, because I think that it is an important point.

I disagree that this approach is "loathsome".

This virus is putting all of us in a very unique situation: we all could become a loaded gun; a gun that "shoots" when it wants, not us.

OK, I'll look inside my country only. As I told (dozens of pages ago) when Lombardy declared the quarantine scores of people "escaped" to Southern Italy. Right on cue, after the average incubation period, cases in S.Italy spiked. This is on those people.

Then me. A few days ago I suffered from a mild case of hay fever: mild running nose, coughing, red eyes and a mild fever, for two days.

Now, rationally I knew that it was my usual hay fever... possibly. Truth was: "What if this is CODIV19?" And I didn't thought about me. I thought about my daughter, about her boyfriend, about her boyfriend's parents... and so on.

Like it or not, we all are now a potential viral scatter gun. You want to kill yourself? Fine. But don't involve others in this decision.

And all of this is new: a new way for suffering and death to happen. It doesn't cancel the others. But, by not denying this, at least we can do something about this.

But, wait... let's pull back a bit and examine this "more people die under a bus than from Coronavirus" sentence that it is being passed around like a magic formula. Let's try to look at it from a different perspective.

You are the bus driver.

You took an exam. You have procedures to follow. If you act recklessly you will cause for more people to suffer and die.

... you will cause for more people to suffer and die. On top of all other reasons.

There is a reason as why they nail you if you are DUIing.

Sorry, but this is how I see it. Men always fought (*) to reduce causes of death. Now there is a new one. What we can do? I'm open to suggestions, ideas and even criticism (as long as it is factual and constructive). I'm not open to consider our attitudes towards Coronavirus "political" or "too charged words to consider". We.Can.Act.

Give me graphs but also give me ideas. Ideas based on the hard facts, and actions based to these, not to vague "beliefs" born in another era, because the current one is unprecedented. The faster we recognise this, the sooner we will be across. Then we will think about the other bridges.

(*) Yes, I'm aware of the implicit irony.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:36:49 PM   
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This is not unprecedented.

In fact, historically speaking, it will almost surely be minimal compared to the great pandemics of the past.

Italy has taken it on the chin. So too NYC. Folks in places like that are going to have a very high level of concern. But your views/methods/ideas aren't necessarily the right ones for other jurisdictions.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:43:37 PM   
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+1, Cap.

To take your point further, by permanently locking down schools we could dramatically cut down on lots of bad things (fractures, etc.). But there would be a steep cost, both in terms of education, interaction, and apparent metnal health issues.

Paraphrasing Dr. Malcom in Jurrasic Park, "Life will find a way."

News today that the City of Jacksonville (something like the 9th largest in the nation) is easing some restrictions, reopening parks and beaches while continuing to mandate social distancing and curfews applicable to those places.



Stats for Jacksonville are skewed, misleading and NOT accurate.

Many years ago Jacksonville incorporated the entire county into the city limits.
Jacksonville's population is 800+k. That's the population of the entire county.

As a comparison, Pinellas county, where I live (the smallest land area county in the state and the most densely populated) has a population of 967K. It also has 22 separate municipalities squeezed into it with St. Petersburg and Clearwater being the two largest.

Take any stats for 'Jacksonville' as representing a county, not a city.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:56:29 PM   
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‘Smart toilet’ monitors for signs of disease
Apr 6 2020

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/04/smart-toilet-monitors-for-signs-of-disease.html

"A disease-detecting “precision health” toilet can sense multiple signs of illness through automated urine and stool analysis, a new Stanford study reports.

There’s a new disease-detecting technology in the lab of Sanjiv “Sam” Gambhir, MD PhD, and its No. 1 source of data is number one. And number two."






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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 2:56:40 PM   
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Yeah, I know that the City of Jacksonville encompasses all of Duval County. That skews things, but nevertheless it is ranked as one of America's largest cities. That same list excludes Atlanta, because Atlanta is spread out over multiple counties. So the list is wonky but it is a list.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:00:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Right now, I wouldn't go to a movie theater or a packed stadium, if any were open.

But I've been doing more hiking, biking, and canoeing than ever. Almost always by myself, but sometimes with a companion.

Tonight, my wife and I are going camping with friends. Wife and I will drive together and sleep in our tent together. The others are a family that will drive together and sleep in their tent. In the great outdoors, it'll be easy to maintain distancing. We'll probably have a campfire, with wife and me on one side and them on the other. I have no reservations about this, but I wouldn't want to go to the store where a bunch of people might be hacking and wheezing.
warspite1

So no wife swapping or group sessions this weekend then? Very sensible under the circumstances.



You sound like you're running for office, Warspite1. Is it the office of the Belgian Minister of Health? Your advice sounds similar to hers on the topic of menage, so perhaps you're a 'follower'?

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:02:44 PM   
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There really is no option other than some liberalization of the lockdown. Eventually you would need armed force to prevent it. 1st of May is doable. Another month? Wow. I doubt it.


The pandemic has been quite startling in giving an illustration of the differences between collectivist and individualist cultures. Plenty to keep the anthropologists and social researchers busy for quite some time.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:07:50 PM   
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We haven't looked at Africa in about 10 days or so. Cases there remain remarkably low in comparison to Europe and North America. Since the virus has been in Africa since early March (IIRC), it's had plenty of time to do its work. No matter what countermeasures were taken, no matter how dispersed or concentrated the population, no matter what impact chance had, the virus should have grown exponentially by now, if it was going to.

There are two possible explanations that I can think of: (1) Africa doesn't test or under-reports results in ways unlike the rest of the world, or (2) Africa is somehow different.




I think there are probably lots of explanations.

But a big one is the stage at which they locked down. As examples South Africa locked down on 26/03 - with c.900 cases and the day before they reported their first death. Nigeria locked down its urban areas on the 27/03 at 1 death and 70 cases. When the UK entered lockdown on 23/03 we had c.6600 cases and 335 deaths. NY was quicker to lockdown but still had 117 deaths (I don't have the case figures).

Another way of looking at it is matching the period between the 10th reported case and lockdown.

Nigeria 9 days
SA 13 days
Italy 17 days to lockdown in Lombardy
France c.23 days to national lockdown (not sure when their 10th case was - they actually had 12 on the 15/02 but then this did not increase until the 25/02 so something odd was happening)
UK 30 days to national lockdown

As above I don't have the cases for NY but by a similar measure they locked down 8 days after their first death - as opposed to SA/Nigeria who were locking down pretty much as they recorded their first death.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:08:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Right now, I wouldn't go to a movie theater or a packed stadium, if any were open.

But I've been doing more hiking, biking, and canoeing than ever. Almost always by myself, but sometimes with a companion.

Tonight, my wife and I are going camping with friends. Wife and I will drive together and sleep in our tent together. The others are a family that will drive together and sleep in their tent. In the great outdoors, it'll be easy to maintain distancing. We'll probably have a campfire, with wife and me on one side and them on the other. I have no reservations about this, but I wouldn't want to go to the store where a bunch of people might be hacking and wheezing.
warspite1

So no wife swapping or group sessions this weekend then? Very sensible under the circumstances.



You sound like you're running for office, Warspite1. Is it the office of the Belgian Minister of Health? Your advice sounds similar to hers on the topic of menage, so perhaps you're a 'follower'?
warspite1

Well thanks for not leaving me hanging CB and responding to that attempt at humour - I thought it was vaguely amusing anyway .

I am indeed a follower - nay, a disciple of la De Block. Essential group sex only. You know it makes sense.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:17:42 PM   
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There really is no option other than some liberalization of the lockdown. Eventually you would need armed force to prevent it. 1st of May is doable. Another month? Wow. I doubt it.


The pandemic has been quite startling in giving an illustration of the differences between collectivist and individualist cultures. Plenty to keep the anthropologists and social researchers busy for quite some time.


This is true. I would add a third category. Collectivist cultures willing to club people's dogs to death in the street to prevent transmission of COVID

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:38:11 PM   
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New York and other hot spots are getting longer coronavirus peaks than expected, expert says
Fri April 17, 2020


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/us-coronavirus-friday/index.html


" (CNN)New York and other hot spots are experiencing prolonged peaks of the coronavirus pandemic while Southern states may not get hit as hard as earlier projected, experts say.
Researchers from the prominent projection model cited by the White House plan to release new data on the pandemic Friday. "

"Updated projections will show decreasing cases on a national level but extended peaks in hard-hit areas, said Dr. Christopher Murray, the director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation model.

Americans are social distancing more than expected, even in some states without strong mandates, which factors into the new estimates, Murray told CNN's global town hall on coronavirus Thursday night."


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Americans are social distancing more than expected


That is not the case here.

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:43:39 PM   
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$2,000 Per Month: What is the coronavirus Emergency Money Act and who would get the payments?
April 17, 2020

https://www.kiro7.com/news/trending/2000-per-month-what-is-coronavirus-emergency-money-act-who-would-get-payments/YJ4L2HZXMVBNHOU7ZCLP25HD4I/

"The bill is called the Emergency Money for the People Act and would provide $2,000 a month for a guaranteed six months or until “employment returns to pre-COVID-19 levels.”"

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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:46:28 PM   
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Gilead Says It’s Too Soon to Draw Conclusions on Its Coronavirus Drug. Analysts Say the Market Is Overreacting, Too.
April 17, 2020


https://www.barrons.com/articles/the-market-is-overreacting-to-gileads-coronavirus-drug-remdesivir-analysts-say-51587130984

"On April 10, the New England Journal of Medicine published data from hospitalized Covid-19 patients given remdesivir on a compassionate-use basis that appeared to be positive .

Then, just days ago, Gilead was reported to have suspended a trial of remdesivir in China, which analysts took as a bad sign. The company said that it had struggled to find patients to enroll in the study."


"In a statement, Gilead said conclusions could not be drawn from a subset of the trial data. “Anecdotal reports, while encouraging, do not provide the statistical power necessary to determine the safety and efficacy profile of remdesivir as a treatment for COVID-19,” a spokesman said."


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RE: OT: Corona virus - 4/17/2020 3:49:03 PM   
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This is not unprecedented.

In fact, historically speaking, it will almost surely be minimal compared to the great pandemics of the past.

Once again, this is a skewed view of the situation.

The great pandemics of the past, up to the Spanish Flu of 1918 happened in very different Worlds. Let's take two examples:

In the 1300s, when the Black Plague hit, the average guy most probably knew how to gather food, drinkable water, build a shelter and try to ride it out. He couldn't fight the disease, because the methods of transmission were unknown (and still the idea of "social distance" already existed). However, he most probably had all the skills needed to be alone and self-sufficient: hunting, gathering etc.

When the plague went away, four years later, 30%-50% of Europe was dead. The survivors sighed, resumed their lives and moved on.

In 1918 the World wasn't as globalised as it is now: the interdependence between countries was not as strong as it is today. And one could argue that the mere diplomatic interdependence of the European states in 1914 was among the primary causes of WWI.

In 1984 the BBC broadcast a TV movie called "Threads". It was a realistic view at a potential "limited" nuclear war and it came out in Europe before "The Day After". Today it is available for free on Youtube.

The key word, here, is the title: "Threads". It refers to the complex interconnections of the modern World, a World where we hyper specialise in some skills and personal infrastructure but are dependent to a myriad of other people for the skills and general infrastructure we lack. I can repair a faucet, not my area's hydraulic infrastructure.

And what happens when a major event (a nuclear war in the movie, a pandemic now in the real World) breaks these interconnections?

Do you know how to milk a cow? How to hunt? How to prepare edible meat starting from a dead animal? How to evaluate if the mead is edible in the first place? How to find fresh water and evaluate if it is drinkable?

True, there are people with these skills - but not many in the "developed World". Not in 1984 and not today. If only a few strands in the interconnected World break, everything stops - which is what we are seeing. Can I survive if my country is miraculously OK but I was working for France and France is shut down? Can the aviation industry survive if a big chunk of their passengers to Paris doesn't fly anymore? And so on.

Another example in a different field? In 2007-2008 some people in the States defaulted in their mortgage payments ---> The result was the biggest and hardest economic crisis modern Greece ever saw. Can you see the connection? The intricate web that brought the poison of a "local" crisis across the globe? Yeah, me neither (at the time, now I read some books).

It is not what is happening that is unprecedented, it is the World were the pandemic is happening that is, historically, in an unprecedented state. A very, very fragile one - or thus we are discovering.

And this is what makes the current event "unprecedented".

< Message edited by RFalvo69 -- 4/17/2020 4:01:08 PM >


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