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Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/17/2020 8:56:11 PM

Freigeist83

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I am trying to make a game plan for the next time to decide which scenarios are worth the time spent.

Which are you personal top 3 favorite scenarios for TOAW IV that you would highly recommend?

Thanks for your feedback.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/17/2020 11:11:34 PM

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You might want to specify whether the scenario is PO capable or PBM only. Also consider the length. Some of the more popular PBM scenarios can take over a year to complete. Other people enjoy a quick game against the OP which they can finish in a night or two.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/18/2020 6:50:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: Freigeist83

I am trying to make a game plan for the next time to decide which scenarios are worth the time spent.

Which are you personal top 3 favorite scenarios for TOAW IV that you would highly recommend?

Thanks for your feedback.

In no particular order:

1. The Great War 2.1 (I think that I've lost this scenario, but for me best WW1 game ever made, even better than let's say full blown WW1 games that are selling alone for 50$) by Daniel McBride
2. 1992 WW3 What If (see my AAR, great fun, one of best modern scenarios, but this scenario needs Silvanski or other scenario designer to fix it and it would be among top) by Piero Falotti
3. Europa 1947 mod redux by Silvanski, original design Piero Falotti (what to say, Silvanski have done great job, maybe even too great because I remember that Axis had much better chance before, he beefed up Russian forces hmmmm but anyway great scenario)
4. FiTE all versions by magicians from Danemark, Soren, Kristian.... (great fun)
5. Try also Operation Blau 4.01 by Brian Topp, Braunschweig by Daniel McBride, Bob Cross War in Africa.... and there is some more great scenarios, but not too much...

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/18/2020 7:04:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: Freigeist83

I am trying to make a game plan for the next time to decide which scenarios are worth the time spent.

Which are you personal top 3 favorite scenarios for TOAW IV that you would highly recommend?

Thanks for your feedback.

In no particular order:

1. The Great War 2.1 (I think that I've lost this scenario, but for me best WW1 game ever made, even better than let's say full blown WW1 games that are selling alone for 50$) by Daniel McBride
2. 1992 WW3 What If (see my AAR, great fun, one of best modern scenarios, but this scenario needs Silvanski or other scenario designer to fix it and it would be among top) by Piero Falotti
3. Europa 1947 mod redux by Silvanski, original design Piero Falotti (what to say, Silvanski have done great job, maybe even too great because I remember that Axis had much better chance before, he beefed up Russian forces hmmmm but anyway great scenario)
4. FiTE all versions by magicians from Danemark, Soren, Kristian.... (great fun)
5. Try also Operation Blau 4.01 by Brian Topp, Braunschweig by Daniel McBride, Bob Cross War in Africa.... and there is some more great scenarios, but not too much...

And the TOAW OSCAR goes to......

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/18/2020 7:08:59 AM

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And the TOAW OSCAR goes to......

No just kiddin, this is just personal taste, I played a lot more good scenarios. Operation Crusader, Operation Barbarossa was also fun by Brian Topp, well I played it against my friend which is very good in chess, well I've lost, he entrenched bloody Russians 5 hexes deep lol so I surrendered that game, one of first that I played 20 years ago...
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Just wanted to say that TOAW is rare game and new players should be aware that this software is kind of magical....
Well, what game you can play for 22 years because it is almost same game (almost, I value and respect additional work that developers are putting into it)... So, TOAW is actually one of best software ever made by human race. Send it on the Mars :)

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/18/2020 12:26:59 PM

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I'd have to say:

1. Korea 50-51. It is very fluid and each side gets the chance to punish the other side in a devestating fashion. There are not many units so you can do a game fairly quickly.

2. Sicily: I think it's a good game with each side having advantages as the Germans try to delay the allies taking over the Island. And, like Korea, it's not overwhelming in size so you can play it fairly quickly. There are a lot of WWII scenarios you can play like this depending on your taste.

3. Some of the out of the way scenarios that you don't see gamed very often. Iran-Iraq war, the Balkans wars pre-WWI and so on. I've played several of these and they're fun because it's not a situation that you see everyday.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/18/2020 12:50:29 PM

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You might want to specify whether the scenario is PO capable or PBM only. Also consider the length. Some of the more popular PBM scenarios can take over a year to complete. Other people enjoy a quick game against the OP which they can finish in a night or two.

Regards

Aye, this is the information that is needed.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/18/2020 4:54:03 PM

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As one who games predominantly the WW2 era, in my humble opinion, FITE 2, Bulge 44, and into the darkness. Fite 2, for scope, complexity, and enjoyable options. Bulge for its realism of small unit actions, and Into darkness WW2 in Europe, for scope, ingenuity of event, options, utilization of production into scenario. Full disclosure,( I only solo played tested darkness)

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/18/2020 8:53:36 PM

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I am still learning the system, so it makes sense to focus on shorter scenarios against the AI before jumping into larger PBM campaigns against a human opponent.

But I am really interested what you guys personally like to play...

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/19/2020 8:06:20 PM

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Try: Arracourt44 It is very small and fits on one screen.

It's also good for trying to understand how to have the AI/PO help you - and change objectives.

I've played it so many times I even went to Arracourt a couple of years ago on a drive round France in a campervan and took some photos of the memorials.

Incidentally, for US readers, about a mile from Arracourt is a memorial to the first US soldiers to die in WW1.

I'll post a couple of photos f you can tell me how to.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/19/2020 11:15:30 PM

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ORIGINAL: altipueri

I'll post a couple of photos f you can tell me how to.

Click on the check box by 'Embed picture in post' and then click on 'Click here to upload'.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/20/2020 6:21:18 AM

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Let's try (after I realise you have to click on post reply rather than just fast reply)

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/20/2020 6:22:50 AM

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OK:
Arracourt:

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/20/2020 6:26:13 AM

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Well the first was the starting screen of Arracourt 44 with the formation objectives and tracks shown

The second was the map in Arracourt showing you how to get to the WW1 memorial

This should be the WW1 photo
The next should be of Arracourt

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/20/2020 6:28:50 AM

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Well it seems I've tried to save bandwidth or whatever by downsizing and now you can't see anything. good job i don't code for Boeing.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/20/2020 6:34:26 AM

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This should be Arracourt and I realise the screenshot showed the formation paths but not the objectives:

What is it with computers. When I want to write a reply I have to press the button that says "post reply" ; when I want to attach a photo I have to press a button called "open".

Must be an age thing. It's 7.30 on a sunny morning in lockdown England and i'm going to have a glass of brandy.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/22/2020 12:42:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Freigeist83

I am trying to make a game plan for the next time to decide which scenarios are worth the time spent.

Which are you personal top 3 favorite scenarios for TOAW IV that you would highly recommend?

Thanks for your feedback.

for PBEM: FiTE1 v.5 or The Next War or CfNA (I've done / doing AARs for all these scenes)

for versus computer: Russo-German War (either side, but Soviet side can be frustrating) intel STRONG cheat +2 for Elmer ... or D21 for Germans [human] v. Computer (Computer at "strong" and "+2"

for solitaire / historical WWI: Piero Falloti's The Great War alongside reading w/ Simonds' History WWI
for solitaire / historical WWII: FitE2 (currently working a club effort w/ that, very detailed, a 10 year effort)

edit: almost forgot, for solitaire / v. computer, is Vietnam Combat Operations ("VCO") vol. I - XII or however many there are now. Those VCO volumes are absolutely "essentials" I think for both TOAWIII and TOAWIV, the manuals alone are well worth the look. OK, well, Have a great gaming day!

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/23/2020 5:51:45 AM

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1. Operation Neva - Leningrad 1944
2. Campaign for North Africa(the longest scenario)
3. Fire in the East 2

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/23/2020 10:23:02 AM

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No special order:

- Two weeks in Normandy (13 turns, by far the best short scenario ever done to TOAW)
- Campaign for North Africa 40-43
- Europe Aflame (TOAW most elaborated scenario with incredible design options, a true gem unfortunately forgotten these days)

Last but not least due to almost professional level design:
- Vietnam Combat Operations
- Every scenario from D. McBride

If playing against Elmer, Directive 21 (human playing the Germans) is still unbeatable

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/24/2020 4:19:00 AM

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Having a glass of brandy at 7.30am. Did you get out of bed late.

In lockdown Australia we use the bottom of one stubby to open the next.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 4/24/2020 8:29:38 AM

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Ah yes that technique.

Fond memories of Australia - I spent 6 months there in 1975 working in the outback in the Pilbara and East of Pine Creek / El Sherana in NT. (Where part of Crocodile Dundee movie was later filmed.)

G'Day.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 5/15/2020 12:50:45 PM

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D21 is a classic. Fun to play against the Soviet AI.
FITE v.5.0 is also a classic.
FITE2 is a tad too big for me but you might like it.
Pacific at War is one of the better ones. Plays fast, medium complexity, earlier versions had CA's carrying spotter planes.
Campaign for South Vietnam is one of my favorites. Realistic, plays fast, low unit count, good balance.
The Vietnam Combat Operations series is a winner. Recommended.
Korea 50-53 is one I really like.
Autumn Fog '44 is about the battle of the bulge and is a good treatment of that conflict.
Overlord '44 is a fun scenario about the landings on D-Day to the taking of Berlin.
Desert Storm '94 is a fast scenario that is so completely unbalanced that you almost can't lose.
The Next War 1979 is a fast paced exciting treatment of a hypothetical Soviet invasion of Europe and is a winner.
Sicily to Brenner Pass '43-'45 is about the Allied landings in Sicily and the drive up the boot of Italy against a determined German defender.
I have played all of these and I like them all. YMMV.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 7/22/2020 7:07:32 PM

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Looking for a copy of Europe Aflame to DL...any assistance appreciated...online was no help at all and I couldnt seem to get to the scn. at the Blitz...

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 7/22/2020 10:45:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: secadegas

No special order:

- Two weeks in Normandy (13 turns, by far the best short scenario ever done to TOAW)
- Campaign for North Africa 40-43
- Europe Aflame (TOAW most elaborated scenario with incredible design options, a true gem unfortunately forgotten these days)

Last but not least due to almost professional level design:
- Vietnam Combat Operations
- Every scenario from D. McBride

If playing against Elmer, Directive 21 (human playing the Germans) is still unbeatable

We have similar tastes.......

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 7/23/2020 3:02:15 AM

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Looking for a copy of Europe Aflame to DL...any assistance appreciated...online was no help at all and I couldnt seem to get to the scn. at the Blitz...

Do you have IV? It's in the WWII Misc folder.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 7/24/2020 6:13:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: KwanzaO

quote:

ORIGINAL: secadegas

No special order:

- Two weeks in Normandy (13 turns, by far the best short scenario ever done to TOAW)
- Campaign for North Africa 40-43
- Europe Aflame (TOAW most elaborated scenario with incredible design options, a true gem unfortunately forgotten these days)

Last but not least due to almost professional level design:
- Vietnam Combat Operations
- Every scenario from D. McBride

If playing against Elmer, Directive 21 (human playing the Germans) is still unbeatable

We have similar tastes.......

You're definitively a person of fine taste...

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 7/28/2020 5:58:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: carll11
Looking for a copy of Europe Aflame to DL...any assistance appreciated...online was no help at all and I couldnt seem to get to the scn. at the Blitz...

Do you have IV? It's in the WWII Misc folder.

TY I see it now...

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 7/29/2020 2:25:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: Freigeist83

I am still learning the system, so it makes sense to focus on shorter scenarios against the AI before jumping into larger PBM campaigns against a human opponent.

But I am really interested what you guys personally like to play...

For a beginner, I'll reccomend the ones I started with:

- Tannenberg 14, I played Russian side but German side is reccomended: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4608955
- Kasserine 43, German side: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4610438
- Kharkov 1942, Soviet side: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4613405

Once you get accustomed, you can try a bigger scenario that is still waaay easier than monsters like FITE. PErsonally I tried Hungary 1944 from the Soviet side: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4657162

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 8/22/2020 8:31:07 PM

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Thanks for creating this thread. I am getting back into playing TOW4 and look forward to trying all of the ones suggested. I mostly play against the A.I and would considered myself a beginner wargamer.

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RE: Top 3 Scenarios for TOAW IV ?!? - 9/12/2020 12:41:00 AM

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There's so many great scenarios for this game! My all time favourite would have to be Europe Aflame. Anything by Daniel McBride is very good, and Fire in the East would have to be right up there too. One scenario that doesnt feature above but I think is very good is Blitzkreig 50. Its almost perfectly balanced, with a great range of units and options, and a good way to get a sense of how much better than you your opponent really is :)

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