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Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/21/2020 3:31:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		It seems like it. Huge market for it I definitely agree. Even British&American game designers looking for native language while responding.Very pity I imagine World is big about conflicts.
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/21/2020 3:50:42 PM   
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/21/2020 3:54:51 PM   
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 3:11:06 AM   
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 6:31:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: gamer78

It seems like it. Huge market for it I definitely agree. Even British&American game designers looking for native language while responding.Very pity I imagine World is big about conflicts.
warspite1

Are you referring to game titles being US-centric or the number of players around seem to be mostly American or what? It would also be interesting to know where that opinion stems from - what games are you playing and what forums do you visit?

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 7:21:08 AM   
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 3:52:05 PM   
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- US designers design for a US market, so non-US wars are less well covered
- English language forums and websites tend to cover English language games

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 4:09:29 PM   
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 4:24:06 PM   
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Probably two different things here:
- US designers design for a US market, so non-US wars are less well covered
- English language forums and websites tend to cover English language games


While that's probably true in general, I don't think the OPs commentary is accurate even to this forum. Lost of Aussies, EnZeds, Brits*, French, Koreans, Swedish, Limeys*, Germans, Austrians, Finns, Canadians, folks from the UK* and so on and so on.





*Yeah, I know. I mentioned them three times. I like Brits.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 4:27:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		They´re wargamers in many countries. In Spain, an example that I know, there is a strong community and an active big forum: Puntadelanza (Spearhead). I know others ones in France and Italy. Surely in Germany and others.
In addition, there are good wargames creators in Europe... but in local languages about local conflicts. In Spain there are games about our Civil War, Reconquista, spanish wars in Europe, etc..
But the mean wargaming industry in the world is american. Their cultural and warlike past is anglo-centric. So it´s understandable for an english speaker that all the wargames seems anglo-centric, because the american industry has got a significant share of the international market and customers in all the world. On the other hand, in many countries to speak several languages is normal ​​(my country has 4 official languages) and reading a wargame manual in another language is not a trouble and the English one is known to many wargamers.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 4:31:24 PM   
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Probably two different things here:
- US designers design for a US market, so non-US wars are less well covered
- English language forums and websites tend to cover English language games


While that's probably true in general, I don't think the OPs commentary is accurate even to this forum. Lost of Aussies, EnZeds, Brits*, French, Koreans, Swedish, Limeys*, Germans, Austrians, Finns, Canadians, folks from the UK* and so on and so on.





*Yeah, I know. I mentioned them three times. I like Brits.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 4:36:24 PM   
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 4:48:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		China, Korea and Japan have got a good industry in wargaming. But it isn´t well known by westerns and they are not looking for an international market either. They already have a huge local market.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 5:15:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		AFAIK there is also an active wargaming community in Russia. We probably don't see many of them on foreign sites because many of these players don't speak English, and some western forums even block access from Russia (DAMHIK).

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 5:45:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 76mm

AFAIK there is also an active wargaming community in Russia. We probably don't see many of them on foreign sites because many of these players don't speak English, and some western forums even block access from Russia (DAMHIK).


OP, but...

That’s an unfortunate side effect of spamming.
I run a modest forum, but I am not very discriminating when I block an IP range.
Since many spammers are active in the Ukraine and Russia, those IPs end up being blocked.
Probably blocked a lot of African IP ranges as well.

Other than that I would have welcomed Russian input on the historical forum I host.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/22/2020 6:25:59 PM   
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I run a modest forum, but I am not very discriminating when I block an IP range.
Since many spammers are active in the Ukraine and Russia, those IPs end up being blocked.

I understand perfectly well, I have exactly the same problem...probably 80% of spam sign-ups on my forum are from Russia/Ukraine. I don't block IPs yet, but I might as well, because at this point I delete almost all .ru e-mail addresses without a second look.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 6:20:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		The fact that a nation has won or lost a war will condition their interest in the game. Who controls the internet is just as important. We have just lived 70 years of American influence, the future seems rather turned towards Asia with 5G.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 6:56:30 AM   
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The fact that a nation has won or lost a war will condition their interest in the game. Who controls the internet is just as important. We have just lived 70 years of American influence, the future seems rather turned towards Asia with 5G.


We are talking about a fringe, imo easy to pull out of proportion.

The US is a relatively big country in terms of internal market and it has the benefit of having English as a primary language.
This means enough internal sales to make production runs viable and the added bonus of exports to anyone willing to play English language games.
Market viability also increases exposure, which increases sales.

A fringe product in a big market is still profitable.

Computer (war) gaming is another story all together.

Now let’s talk about the oldest wargames around like Checkers and Chess, how are these distributed around the globe?



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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 11:33:55 AM   
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.ru or .ng [Nigeria] means there are human troll farms in these countries, just like call centers? Or they are just convenient places (with lax laws) to set up automatic [bots] ponzi schemes and flood the internets?

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 11:52:41 AM   
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A question about spammers. Are they real people doing a part / full-time "job" or is it now an automatic thing: bots are unleashed en masse to flood internet sites and sell x product?

.ru or .ng [Nigeria] means there are human troll farms in these countries, just like call centers? Or they are just convenient places (with lax laws) to set up automatic [bots] ponzi schemes and flood the internets?


I do believe that in Russia, there are actual business that do this. In Nigeria, I think that some of the spammers work together but are much smaller in size.

You should see some of the things on TED talks.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 2:07:23 PM   
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A question about spammers. Are they real people doing a part / full-time "job" or is it now an automatic thing: bots are unleashed en masse to flood internet sites and sell x product?

I'm no expert so can't say for sure, but I can say that of the many accounts I delete from the forum I run, many of the Russian ones use e-mails that *seem* to be those of real people (ie, use normal Russian names in the e-mail address, rather than "xe5342k", etc.). I've been tempted to e-mail a couple of them to ask what they're up to.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 4:51:01 PM   
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Now let’s talk about the oldest wargames around like Checkers and Chess, how are these distributed around the globe?

Chess has gone around and has got some rule variations over the time and places. Shogi is a Japanese Chess, and there are plenty of others. Chess known to us Europeans and North Americans is likely itself a variation from the original game, whatever that is.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 5:37:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Piteas

China, Korea and Japan have got a good industry in wargaming. But it isn´t well known by westerns and they are not looking for an international market either. They already have a huge local market.


I see more and more requests for Chinese translations of games on Steam, wargames of the type we are generally discussing here.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 6:04:11 PM   
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It seems like it. Huge market for it I definitely agree. Even British&American game designers looking for native language while responding.Very pity I imagine World is big about conflicts.


I play TOAWIV by email and have several current "pen pal" opponents in my games from Japan, Norway, Spain, S. America, so no, I do not think that it is a "american only" market. I also have some Brits opponents, but I think I would say that I see about 50-50 as far as folks from all over. 50% American / Canadian / Mexico {Western Hemisphere) v. 50% Euro / Orient. I think wargaming in general has a very broad base all across the globe.

YMMV!

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 8:05:21 PM   
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I think wargaming in general has a very broad base all across the globe.

YMMV!


100% agree. Headed up a couple of club ladders long long ago and there were people from all over the place. I think if any part of the world is over represented it's Scandinavia. They like their games.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 9:36:05 PM   
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So how influential is the pre-computer company's like SPI, Avalon Hill, GDW and early wargaming companies to the overall hobby?


To be honest if it were not for Avalon Hill and SPI there would be no GDW, Decision Games, MMP and no Computer War Games.

Avalon Hill and then SPI are the grandfathers of war gaming. In fact it was SPI that set the standard for virtually all war games. James F. Dunnigan and Redmon Simonson were geniuses.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/23/2020 9:39:41 PM   
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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/24/2020 11:40:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, I'll look for TOAWIV scenarios for more local conflicts. TOAW was a game I've played 20 years ago. But need a bit direction in 4th version.
My intention for question was not only who plays them geographically but ERA they prefer. And it is clear wargamers are not that much conservative but developers does it seems. Excluding boardgames designers maybe? I don't have a chance to evaluate all published games of course.

I enjoy and see Russian, Spanish Civil War and English Civil War as an example of local conflicts. I don't enjoy grand strategy that much.

But native English language surely dominates the forum about the next conflicts and history it is not? I don't see much about Finnish Civil war discussed.

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RE: Does this Wargaming to be American hobby only? - 4/24/2020 3:05:56 PM   
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But native English language surely dominates the forum about the next conflicts and history it is not? I don't see much about Finnish Civil war discussed.

On an English-language forum, yes, naturally...

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