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missing & incorrect 'stuff' - 7/24/2003 1:10:09 AM

decourcy

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Hi all,

Matrix, probably some of this is for game
purposes but here is a list that hopefully you can look at and if someone has a couple of minutes maybe respond to it as well.

1. The 4th Marine Defense Battalion was part of operation Rose landing at Vila in March/April '42. I have found no record of it leaving till the end of '42. Why do you have it entering on turn 390?

2. Why are the allies already on Espiritu?
Operation Buttons did not take place till June '42. Also there should be no airbase built yet.

3. The 32nd Division landed with no artillery; I am having a hard time finding when their artillery regiment joined them but in Australia and when they started fighting in New Guinea they had one 37mm At gun and their artillery support was from Australian guns. get rid of the guns in the regiments and activate the artillery regiment to fix this.

4. The 3rd Australian division was a militia division; it should not be able to leave Australia till March '43.

5. Why do the 2nd & 38th Japanese divisions enter so early? We are talking massively early! The Japanese should start with the Aoba detachment(4th Regt.), South Seas, and the 35th brigade should start becoming available at or near the beginning of the game. The 21st brigade should probably enter later.

I am not questioning you guys in the slightest, but I can find no information about the Yazawa detachment. Anyone no any good sources for Japanese army forces in use in '41-'42?

thank you for your time,

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Re: missing & incorrect 'stuff' - 7/24/2003 2:02:28 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by decourcy
[B]Hi all,

Matrix, probably some of this is for game
purposes but here is a list that hopefully you can look at and if someone has a couple of minutes maybe respond to it as well.

1. The 4th Marine Defense Battalion was part of operation Rose landing at Vila in March/April '42. I have found no record of it leaving till the end of '42. Why do you have it entering on turn 390?

2. Why are the allies already on Espiritu?
Operation Buttons did not take place till June '42. Also there should be no airbase built yet.

3. The 32nd Division landed with no artillery; I am having a hard time finding when their artillery regiment joined them but in Australia and when they started fighting in New Guinea they had one 37mm At gun and their artillery support was from Australian guns. get rid of the guns in the regiments and activate the artillery regiment to fix this.

4. The 3rd Australian division was a militia division; it should not be able to leave Australia till March '43.

5. Why do the 2nd & 38th Japanese divisions enter so early? We are talking massively early! The Japanese should start with the Aoba detachment(4th Regt.), South Seas, and the 35th brigade should start becoming available at or near the beginning of the game. The 21st brigade should probably enter later.

I am not questioning you guys in the slightest, but I can find no information about the Yazawa detachment. Anyone no any good sources for Japanese army forces in use in '41-'42?

thank you for your time,
Michael Johnson [/B][/QUOTE]

Cant say about the rest, but historically speaking , there is no reason the 2nd or 38th IJA Divisions couldnt have been deployed earlier. Both were barely used in the NEI campaign and were available after March 1942.

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Milita - 7/24/2003 2:03:46 AM

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Hi, From what I know NG was considered a valid place for Australian Milita to be sent. (the 3rd should be restricted from going else where but there is no in game method of preventing this. It's a choice of no where or any where.)

If we want to get picky. Noumea was not a base untill April 17th (42) So it's likely too large on May 1st.

I'd prefer Luganville and Port Vila begin Scenario 19 empty and undeveloped. (I lose ships removing the troops, supply and fuel)

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- 7/24/2003 2:11:48 AM

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If you are looking at accelerated arrival dates, make sure you are looking at historical scenarios. Some scenarios, like 17 and 19, are intentionally sped up on arrival dates for Japanese units to improve playability.

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- 7/24/2003 7:41:32 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by decourcy
[B]
1. The 4th Marine Defense Battalion was part of operation Rose landing at Vila in March/April '42. I have found no record of it leaving till the end of '42. Why do you have it entering on turn 390? [/B]
[/QUOTE] 100% Correct - The 4th Defense Battalion was enroute Tongatabu when it was diverted to Efate - arriving March 29th. Two companies of the 182nd Infantry and a platoon of the 57th Combat Engineers (from New Caledonia) were already there - arriving March 17th. Most of the 147th Infantry was sent to Tongatabu to replace the Marines. The 24th Infantry (Reinforced) arrived Efate May 4th - that unit is missing in UV as well. The rather complex switching of unit assignments was primarily to provide artillery support for the Efate garrison.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by decourcy
[B]2. Why are the allies already on Espiritu?
Operation Buttons did not take place till June '42. Also there should be no airbase built yet.
[/B][/QUOTE] Also Correct - No units at all on Espiritu Santo until late May and no signigicant numbers until June.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by decourcy
[B]
3. The 32nd Division landed with no artillery; I am having a hard time finding when their artillery regiment joined them but in Australia and when they started fighting in New Guinea they had one 37mm At gun and their artillery support was from Australian guns. get rid of the guns in the regiments and activate the artillery regiment to fix this.
[/B][/QUOTE] All four of 32nd's Field Artillery Battalions (120th, 121st, 126th and 129th) sailed with the division during it's deployment to Australia. Left San Francisco Port of Embarkation April 22, 1942 and arrived Australia May 14, 1942.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by decourcy
[B]
4. The 3rd Australian division was a militia division; it should not be able to leave Australia till March '43.
[/B][/QUOTE] Australian Militia forces (as opposed to Australian Imperial Forces) could not legally be deployed outside of Australia [B]AND[/B] the Australian holdings in New Guinea. I believe this was extended later to include a larger area. Note that the 30th Brigade, the initial garrison of Port Moresby, was a militia unit. It's 49th Battalion was deployed there prior to the outbreak of the war in the Pacific.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by decourcy
[B]5. Why do the 2nd & 38th Japanese divisions enter so early? We are talking massively early! The Japanese should start with the Aoba detachment(4th Regt.), South Seas, and the 35th brigade should start becoming available at or near the beginning of the game. The 21st brigade should probably enter later.

I am not questioning you guys in the slightest, but I can find no information about the Yazawa detachment. Anyone no any good sources for Japanese army forces in use in '41-'42? [/B][/QUOTE] I'll let some of the posters with more interest and better information on Japanese forces have this one.

Don Bowen

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32nd division - 7/24/2003 7:51:57 AM

decourcy

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Hi all,

Thanks for all of the replies,

on the 32nd division; the official division history states that all they had in Australia was 1-37mm AT gun and 8-25lbr's they borrowed from the Australians.

That is the sum total of my knowledge on the 32nd division history.

I started as a naval historian but have done a lot of work on aviation as well because of all of the myths, propaganda,
and outright fabrications going on in these forums.
Land combat history is not my forte, but i figured i would throw these questions out for you all.

Mike

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Re: 32nd division - 7/24/2003 9:28:09 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by decourcy
[B]on the 32nd division; the official division history states that all they had in Australia was 1-37mm AT gun and 8-25lbr's they borrowed from the Australians.[/B][/QUOTE]
The first two regiments of the 32nd to deploy to New Guinea (126th and 128th) did so without benefit of artillery support (or much of any other kind of support). Their artillery units were in Australia but SWPAC delayed sending them up because:[list]

SWPAC did not feel that artillery was very useful in the jungle. If fact, General Kenney (Army Air Corps) stated that "The Artillery in this Theatre flies".

Insufficient transport was available to transport the artillery in time. For the same reason the regiments had little engineering support and what they had was under-equipped.

SWPAC also was having trouble supplying and supporting forward deployed units - and artillery took a lot of support. There were also shortages of food and medical supplies at the front (at least partially due to snafu's and general mis-management by inexperienced officers).[/list] The artillery support for the attacks on Gona came from 2/1 Australian Field Artillery Regiment - a section and a half totaling 6 25-pounders (two more were lost in transit). Also the 81mm mortars of the infantry weapons companies, and from a 37mm anti-tank gun attached to 1st/128th Battalion. I have also seen reference to two Australian 3.7in Field Guns but I do not know what unit they may have come from. Battery "A", 129th Field Artillery Battalion (US) was also attempting to move forward but only one 105mm Howitzer was available in time to support the main attack.

And SWPAC was pretty much right - even this small artillery force could not be properly supplied. Even the mortars could not keep up with the infantry in the jungle.

For a good overview of these early US actions (and their multitude of problems) see the official history: US Army in World War II - Victory in Papua. For a much more detailed study (from a primarily Australian point of view) I recommend the Australian Official History Australia in the War of 1939-1945 South-West Pacific - First Year (Kokoda to Wau).

Don Bowen

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