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Tacview mesh association for French subs - 4/16/2020 8:22:50 AM

pclaurent

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Not sure it's the good place to post this topic, but could you please make the following adjustments in the default Associations_DB3000.xls mesh files, country France:

Rubis class subs before 1991 = Watercraft.Type209-1400.obj
Rubis class subs from 1991 = Watercraft.Skipjack.obj
Le Triomphant class = Watercraft.Ohio.obj
Daphne and Agosta class = Watercraft.Type209-1400.obj

See the attached screenshot

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/16/2020 4:14:29 PM

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/16/2020 4:23:14 PM

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/16/2020 4:27:42 PM

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/16/2020 4:35:25 PM

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/18/2020 9:29:11 AM

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Please add "Clouded Leopard" series of Taiwan
Sorry,I'm not allowed to post links by system.

CM-32_Armoured_Vehicle
Specifications
Mass 22 tonnes
Length 7 m
Width 2.7 m
Height 2.23 m
Crew 2 + 8 passengers
Armor 12.7 mm AP front arc, 7.62 mm AP all around
Main
armament
30 mm Bushmaster II chaingun, 40 mm automatic grenade launcher, 105 mm rifled gun, or 120 mm mortar
Secondary
armament
Type 74 7.62 mm machine gun (co-axial)
Engine Caterpillar C12 diesel, 450 hp
Suspension 8�8 wheeled
Operational
range
800 km
Maximum speed 120 km/h

CM-34 (variant with Mk44 Bushmaster II)

CM-21 Armored Vehicle (M113 Modified) TOW variant
Specifications
Mass 12.7 tonnes (14.0 short tons; 12.5 long tons) (without weapons)
Length 4.863 meters (15 ft 11.5 in)
Width 2.686 meters (8 ft 9.7 in)
Height 2.5 meters (8 ft 2 in)
Crew 2
Passengers 12
Armor Aluminum hull
Spaced Armor filled with Polyurethane on front and rear
Main
armament
M2 Browning Machine gun
Secondary
armament
Mk 19 automatic grenade launcher
107 millimeters (4.2 in)/ 120 millimeters (4.7 in) mortar (CM-22)
81 millimeters (3.2 in) mortar (CM-23)
BGM-71 TOW missile (CM-25)
8 smoke grenade launcher (CM-21, 22, 23, 26)
6 smoke grenade launcher (CM-25)
Engine Perkins TV8-640 turbodiesel
Detroit Diesel 6v53 diesel engine
210 hp (160 kW)
Power/weight 22.36 hp/t
Transmission Allison TX100-1 automatic gearbox three forward gears, one reverse gear
Suspension Torsion bar suspension, five road wheels
Operational
range
550 kilometers (300 mi)
Maximum speed 66 km/h

And also please modify the following mobile SAM units from Building (Reveted) to Mobile Vehicle(s)
SAM Bty (Sky Bow I Bty [Tien Kung 1, Mobile])
SAM Bty (Sky Bow I/II Bty [Tien Kung 1/2, Mobile])
SAM Bty (Sky Bow III Bty [Tien Kung 3])

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/21/2020 6:51:20 PM

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https://rg.ru/2020/04/19/reg-szfo/sekrety-s-350-vitiaz-pokazali-na-video.html

Video gives an idea of battery composition of the S-350 system with component parts FCR, aqusition radar, C3I vehicle etc.
Again the reference is to 60km engagement range for the Russian version of the 9M96.
I'll extract more from the images once I can watch the video more closely on a full screen.
K

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/23/2020 3:49:43 AM

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*** Both CMO and CMANO ***

#2390 and #2791 - F 236 Montrose [Type 23 Duke](United Kingdom)

The GWS.35 Sea Ceptor mounts shows only 8 capacity, but 32 weapons. Research indicates the mount carried is a 32-cell mount, not 8. The weapons displayed is correct, but the cells (capacity) of the mount is incorrect.

Check prior entries for the F 236 and their GWS.26 mounts (deploying the Sea Wolf) are correct.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/23/2020 3:57:30 AM

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** Both CMO and CMANO ***

Weapon #2783 - Sea Ceptor

May be correct, but check the "Target Speed: 0-1350 kt" and max speed of weapon is 2.65 mach.

Compare to Weapon #647 - Sea Wolf VLS Blk 2. It shows "Target Speed: 0-1600 Kt" with max speed of 2.35 mach.

Seems odd that a slower missile with shorter range (Sea Wolf) would have a significantly higher max target speed.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/23/2020 5:34:51 PM

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Easy one for you guys. Seem to be adding them as is with no modifications mentioned.

Ex-RAN Adelaide-class frigates commissioned with the Chilean Navy

Australia officially transferred former Adelaide-class frigates Melbourne (FFG 05) and Newcastle (FFG 06) to the Chilean Navy (Armada de Chile). A commissioning ceremony took place on April 15, 2020 at the HMAS Watson naval base in Sydney.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/04/ex-ran-adelaide-class-frigates-commissioned-with-the-chilean-navy/

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/23/2020 8:31:26 PM

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Ivan Rogov incorrect loadout (not all landingcraft) (CMO and CMANO games):

Hello,

LDP Ivan Rogov except Ondatra Class landing craft also had three hovercraft "Lebed" pr.1206 (In the USSR, more than 20 units were built (they were repeatedly used in military exercises on ships of this class)) and pr. 11770.

"Для выгрузки неплавающей техники в доковую камеру могут быть приняты десантные катера. В доковую камеру помещается до шести катеров проекта 1785 (скорость хода 7,5 узлов) или катеров проекта 1176 (10 узлов). Вместо них в доковую камеру могут помещаться три десантных катера на воздушной подушке проекта 1206 (до 50 узлов) или десантные катера на воздушной каверне проекта 11770 �Серна�."

Google translate:

"For unloading non-floating equipment into the docking chamber, landing boats can be obtained. Up to six boats of project 1785 (speed 7.5 knots) or boats of project 1176 (10 knots) are placed in the docking chamber. Instead, in the docking chamber, you can install three project 1206 hovercraft on an air cushion (up to 50 knots) or design chambers of the designed air cavity 11770 �Chamois�. "

Source:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%88%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%B0_1174

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RE: Tacview mesh association for French subs - 4/25/2020 11:30:22 AM

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I find Incorrect climb rate DB and CWDB in CMO and CMANO among some aircraft:

Why does the MiG-29 and Su-27 in this game have a much lower climb speed than the f-16, if, according to technical data, the climb speed of these aircraft is higher than that of the f-16? (also the wrong climb speed f-16, su-27 and mig-29 are in the game database)

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RE: Tacview mesh association for French subs - 4/25/2020 11:32:23 AM

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No armor Ka-50 (CMO and CMANO)

I noticed that in the database of CMO and CMANO games
missing armor KA-50. In fact, this helicopter has good armor (similar to booking a Su-25). In addition, the Ka-52 has armor in the game, although in reality it is inferior to the Ka-50 in protecting armor (due to the addition of a second crew member).
The armor of some elements of the helicopter Ka-50 (for example, a cabin capsule made of titanium alloy armor) during the tests withstood the dense fire of large-caliber machine guns of 12.7 mm caliber or several hits from high-speed air guns of a caliber of up to 23 mm.

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Possible Errors in MIM-104 Patriot missile - 4/25/2020 8:16:16 PM

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The MIM-104A (DB3000 Weapon_1835 and Weapon_1152) is listed as having a range of 2-55 nm. However, Jane's Land Warfare Platforms: Artillery & Air Defence, "MIM-104 Patriot, 17 October 2016; "Raytheon MIM-104 patriot." states the range of the PAC-1 is 1.6-86 nm. The PAC-1 used the MIM-104A with only software changes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot#MIM-104B_(PAC-1). See also Janes at page 4 (citation above). One note: Jane's states that the MIM-104 must fly for approximately 8 seconds for the warhead to arm. This would alter the above engagement range to 7-86 nm.

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RE: Possible Errors in MIM-104 Patriot missile - 4/25/2020 11:53:11 PM

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OMFG!

#3174 - SKR Admiral Flota Kasatonov [Pr.2235.0] (Russia [1992-] - 2019) using its 5P-42 Filin laser-dazzler as a hard-kill laser weapon, against Harpoon ASM's!

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/26/2020 4:41:40 PM

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The most significant thing is that the battery appears to include a passive ESM targeting system.
Just can't find any data beyond that yet, but it's mast mounted and not unlike existing Vyuga-M (?) systems. K
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ORIGINAL: KLAB

https://rg.ru/2020/04/19/reg-szfo/sekrety-s-350-vitiaz-pokazali-na-video.html

Video gives an idea of battery composition of the S-350 system with component parts FCR, aqusition radar, C3I vehicle etc.
Again the reference is to 60km engagement range for the Russian version of the 9M96.
I'll extract more from the images once I can watch the video more closely on a full screen.
K

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/26/2020 7:04:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

The most significant thing is that the battery appears to include a passive ESM targeting system.
Just can't find any data beyond that yet, but it's mast mounted and not unlike existing Vyuga-M (?) systems. K
(?)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

https://rg.ru/2020/04/19/reg-szfo/sekrety-s-350-vitiaz-pokazali-na-video.html

Video gives an idea of battery composition of the S-350 system with component parts FCR, aqusition radar, C3I vehicle etc.
Again the reference is to 60km engagement range for the Russian version of the 9M96.
I'll extract more from the images once I can watch the video more closely on a full screen.
K

9M96D missile used in domestic version of S-350 has a range of 120km.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/26/2020 10:21:50 PM

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Although it's been reported this month that the Lider Russian destroyer Project 23560 and Admiral Gorshkov class frigate Project 22350M programs have been suspended, any chance of adding these to the DB
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lider-class_destroyer
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33099/russia-has-abandoned-its-massive-nuclear-destroyer-and-supersized-frigate-programs

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/26/2020 10:28:27 PM

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FYI, the thread header on page 193 of this thread has changed from "RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues" to "Tacview mesh association for French subs."

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 6:32:07 AM

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In the DB3K the S-350 battery is already using the 9M96D 120Km ranged weapon which would make sense if it is a replacement for early versions of the S-300PS.
In the images the missile tubes do appear to be long enough to be the 9M96D.

But REF S350 in service dates and range�I was quoting:
Dmitry Fediushko article in same JDW Vol.57. Issue 10 pp12. Dated 26 FEB 2020.�

Of the two versions of the missile there is a consistent reference to the medium range 9M96 having a 60km not 40km range. In the DB3K the 9M96 has a 40km range.
So it begs the question if both the Naval and land based Redut/Vityaz use the 120km 9M96D (or 9M96DM) what's the 60km 9M96 used in?
So I agree that S-350 almost certainly uses the 120km missile but there are anomalies.
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: Scar79

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

The most significant thing is that the battery appears to include a passive ESM targeting system.
Just can't find any data beyond that yet, but it's mast mounted and not unlike existing Vyuga-M (?) systems. K
(?)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

https://rg.ru/2020/04/19/reg-szfo/sekrety-s-350-vitiaz-pokazali-na-video.html

Video gives an idea of battery composition of the S-350 system with component parts FCR, aqusition radar, C3I vehicle etc.
Again the reference is to 60km engagement range for the Russian version of the 9M96.
I'll extract more from the images once I can watch the video more closely on a full screen.
K

9M96D missile used in domestic version of S-350 has a range of 120km.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 10:34:37 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

In the DB3K the S-350 battery is already using the 9M96D 120Km ranged weapon which would make sense if it is a replacement for early versions of the S-300PS.
In the images the missile tubes do appear to be long enough to be the 9M96D.

But REF S350 in service dates and range�I was quoting:
Dmitry Fediushko article in same JDW Vol.57. Issue 10 pp12. Dated 26 FEB 2020.�

Of the two versions of the missile there is a consistent reference to the medium range 9M96 having a 60km not 40km range. In the DB3K the 9M96 has a 40km range.
So it begs the question if both the Naval and land based Redut/Vityaz use the 120km 9M96D (or 9M96DM) what's the 60km 9M96 used in?
So I agree that S-350 almost certainly uses the 120km missile but there are anomalies.
K

9M96 is used in the naval SAM Redut(on pr.20380 corvettes) and has a range of 40km.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 10:55:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: zclark

FYI, the thread header on page 193 of this thread has changed from "RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues" to "Tacview mesh association for French subs."

LMAO I thought you were joking.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 11:17:09 AM

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Yep when did that header get messed up?
K

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 11:51:22 AM

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I suspect the difference between the quoted 60km and 40km is just dependant upon what performance criteria and target set the media source is choosing to quote from.

This is heavily dependant on what the target is, 40km for a manoeuvring fighter sized target trying to avoid being hit or 60km for a non manoeuvring larger airframe flying in a straight line.

By default the simulation modelling should ensure that its effective range is not the same as its maximum range so the DB3k could afford to be generous and give the 9M96 credit for 60km.

Its only an opinion and the information in open sources isn't consistent on most missiles performance regardless of their origins anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Scar79

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

In the DB3K the S-350 battery is already using the 9M96D 120Km ranged weapon which would make sense if it is a replacement for early versions of the S-300PS.
In the images the missile tubes do appear to be long enough to be the 9M96D.

But REF S350 in service dates and range�I was quoting:
Dmitry Fediushko article in same JDW Vol.57. Issue 10 pp12. Dated 26 FEB 2020.�

Of the two versions of the missile there is a consistent reference to the medium range 9M96 having a 60km not 40km range. In the DB3K the 9M96 has a 40km range.
So it begs the question if both the Naval and land based Redut/Vityaz use the 120km 9M96D (or 9M96DM) what's the 60km 9M96 used in?
So I agree that S-350 almost certainly uses the 120km missile but there are anomalies.
K

9M96 is used in the naval SAM Redut(on pr.20380 corvettes) and has a range of 40km.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 12:29:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

I suspect the difference between the quoted 60km and 40km is just dependant upon what performance criteria and target set the media source is choosing to quote from.

This is heavily dependant on what the target is, 40km for a manoeuvring fighter sized target trying to avoid being hit or 60km for a non manoeuvring larger airframe flying in a straight line.

By default the simulation modelling should ensure that its effective range is not the same as its maximum range so the DB3k could afford to be generous and give the 9M96 credit for 60km.

Its only an opinion and the information in open sources isn't consistent on most missiles performance regardless of their origins anyway.

Regards
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: Scar79

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

In the DB3K the S-350 battery is already using the 9M96D 120Km ranged weapon which would make sense if it is a replacement for early versions of the S-300PS.
In the images the missile tubes do appear to be long enough to be the 9M96D.

But REF S350 in service dates and range�I was quoting:
Dmitry Fediushko article in same JDW Vol.57. Issue 10 pp12. Dated 26 FEB 2020.�

Of the two versions of the missile there is a consistent reference to the medium range 9M96 having a 60km not 40km range. In the DB3K the 9M96 has a 40km range.
So it begs the question if both the Naval and land based Redut/Vityaz use the 120km 9M96D (or 9M96DM) what's the 60km 9M96 used in?
So I agree that S-350 almost certainly uses the 120km missile but there are anomalies.
K

9M96 is used in the naval SAM Redut(on pr.20380 corvettes) and has a range of 40km.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html

Range of missiles is always reflecting the max.distance they can fly by the optimal(by energy) trajectory. And 9M96 had 40km in every document and specs.table, since its first presentation at MAKS-1999.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 12:45:03 PM

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This is the brochure for the system from the manufacturer from MAKS-2013.

I will let you read it and draw your own conclusions.

Regards

K

quote:

ORIGINAL: Scar79

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

I suspect the difference between the quoted 60km and 40km is just dependant upon what performance criteria and target set the media source is choosing to quote from.

This is heavily dependant on what the target is, 40km for a manoeuvring fighter sized target trying to avoid being hit or 60km for a non manoeuvring larger airframe flying in a straight line.

By default the simulation modelling should ensure that its effective range is not the same as its maximum range so the DB3k could afford to be generous and give the 9M96 credit for 60km.

Its only an opinion and the information in open sources isn't consistent on most missiles performance regardless of their origins anyway.

Regards
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: Scar79

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

In the DB3K the S-350 battery is already using the 9M96D 120Km ranged weapon which would make sense if it is a replacement for early versions of the S-300PS.
In the images the missile tubes do appear to be long enough to be the 9M96D.

But REF S350 in service dates and range�I was quoting:
Dmitry Fediushko article in same JDW Vol.57. Issue 10 pp12. Dated 26 FEB 2020.�

Of the two versions of the missile there is a consistent reference to the medium range 9M96 having a 60km not 40km range. In the DB3K the 9M96 has a 40km range.
So it begs the question if both the Naval and land based Redut/Vityaz use the 120km 9M96D (or 9M96DM) what's the 60km 9M96 used in?
So I agree that S-350 almost certainly uses the 120km missile but there are anomalies.
K

9M96 is used in the naval SAM Redut(on pr.20380 corvettes) and has a range of 40km.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html

Range of missiles is always reflecting the max.distance they can fly by the optimal(by energy) trajectory. And 9M96 had 40km in every document and specs.table, since its first presentation at MAKS-1999.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/27/2020 1:06:01 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

This is the brochure for the system from the manufacturer from MAKS-2013.

I will let you read it and draw your own conclusions.

Regards

K

quote:

ORIGINAL: Scar79

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

I suspect the difference between the quoted 60km and 40km is just dependant upon what performance criteria and target set the media source is choosing to quote from.

This is heavily dependant on what the target is, 40km for a manoeuvring fighter sized target trying to avoid being hit or 60km for a non manoeuvring larger airframe flying in a straight line.

By default the simulation modelling should ensure that its effective range is not the same as its maximum range so the DB3k could afford to be generous and give the 9M96 credit for 60km.

Its only an opinion and the information in open sources isn't consistent on most missiles performance regardless of their origins anyway.

Regards
K

quote:

ORIGINAL: Scar79

quote:

ORIGINAL: KLAB

In the DB3K the S-350 battery is already using the 9M96D 120Km ranged weapon which would make sense if it is a replacement for early versions of the S-300PS.
In the images the missile tubes do appear to be long enough to be the 9M96D.

But REF S350 in service dates and range�I was quoting:
Dmitry Fediushko article in same JDW Vol.57. Issue 10 pp12. Dated 26 FEB 2020.�

Of the two versions of the missile there is a consistent reference to the medium range 9M96 having a 60km not 40km range. In the DB3K the 9M96 has a 40km range.
So it begs the question if both the Naval and land based Redut/Vityaz use the 120km 9M96D (or 9M96DM) what's the 60km 9M96 used in?
So I agree that S-350 almost certainly uses the 120km missile but there are anomalies.
K

9M96 is used in the naval SAM Redut(on pr.20380 corvettes) and has a range of 40km.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html

Range of missiles is always reflecting the max.distance they can fly by the optimal(by energy) trajectory. And 9M96 had 40km in every document and specs.table, since its first presentation at MAKS-1999.

This is export version of Vityaz, while we're talking about the version for VKS. As you can see, this poster mentions 9M96E2 missile, which is an export version of 9M96D missile.

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This is the brochure for the system from the manufacturer from MAKS-2013.

I will let you read it and draw your own conclusions.

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I suspect the difference between the quoted 60km and 40km is just dependant upon what performance criteria and target set the media source is choosing to quote from.

This is heavily dependant on what the target is, 40km for a manoeuvring fighter sized target trying to avoid being hit or 60km for a non manoeuvring larger airframe flying in a straight line.

By default the simulation modelling should ensure that its effective range is not the same as its maximum range so the DB3k could afford to be generous and give the 9M96 credit for 60km.

Its only an opinion and the information in open sources isn't consistent on most missiles performance regardless of their origins anyway.

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In the DB3K the S-350 battery is already using the 9M96D 120Km ranged weapon which would make sense if it is a replacement for early versions of the S-300PS.
In the images the missile tubes do appear to be long enough to be the 9M96D.

But REF S350 in service dates and range�I was quoting:
Dmitry Fediushko article in same JDW Vol.57. Issue 10 pp12. Dated 26 FEB 2020.�

Of the two versions of the missile there is a consistent reference to the medium range 9M96 having a 60km not 40km range. In the DB3K the 9M96 has a 40km range.
So it begs the question if both the Naval and land based Redut/Vityaz use the 120km 9M96D (or 9M96DM) what's the 60km 9M96 used in?
So I agree that S-350 almost certainly uses the 120km missile but there are anomalies.
K

9M96 is used in the naval SAM Redut(on pr.20380 corvettes) and has a range of 40km.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html

Range of missiles is always reflecting the max.distance they can fly by the optimal(by energy) trajectory. And 9M96 had 40km in every document and specs.table, since its first presentation at MAKS-1999.

This is export version of Vityaz, while we're talking about the version for VKS. As you can see, this poster mentions 9M96E2 missile, which is an export version of 9M96D missile.

Almaz Antey product data page for the 9M96E2 with.... 120km range.
I give up in a state of total bafflement.... K😏

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CWDB Facility_557 (AN/FPS-30 radar) is listed as operating in the "D" band. This is incorrect. According to

https://www.radartutorial.eu/19.kartei/11.ancient/karte095.en.html

it operated at 570-630 MHz, which translates into the NATO B/C-Band or IEEE UHF-Band

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Almaz Antey product data page for the 9M96E2 with.... 120km range.
I give up in a state of total bafflement.... K😏

Maybe because it's a missile's specs, not the complex'? 9M96 is a family of missiles common for many SAMs, land or naval, domestic and export. It can be used with land systems S-400(E) and S-350(E), as well as with naval systems Redut and Polyment-Redut.

But, of course, this is just a guess.

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