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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The virus crisis unfolded at about the least disruptive time for my business. We're a quarterly publication, and the spring issue came out just before things got crazy here in the US. Since then, operations have continued pretty much as usual. Now, with the summer issue in design and due to be printed in a couple of weeks and distributed in about three weeks, things will get interesting. Yesterday, I learned that the company that generates the bar code for each issue is shuttered (I found one in New Zealand that can handle it). The printer is operating, as of the last report. I received confirmation today that the largest distributor is still operating. There's always the question of just how many subscribers may receive their next renewal notice and conclude, "Heck, in this time of uncertainty and economic turmoil, we really don't need a magazine." That's the one question that would keep me awake at night, if I let it. There are many questions, but so far business volume has been about normal. May will tell me a lot more.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Chickenboy, how is your aunt doing?

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: fcooke

All that said...I did recently imply her cat might make a nice stew....

evil, evil, evil....EVIL

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Chickenboy, how is your aunt doing?

Thanks for asking. After her initial fever and positive COVID-19 RT-PCR test results, she was taken to the hospital, along with others from the same floor of her nursing home. Her fever broke after one day and she was transported to a temporary holding facility used to hold others that are virus positive. She can't return to her nursing facility until she is virus negative for obvious infectious disease control reasons.

Two days ago, I heard word through family that her fever had returned-much worse this time. She was taken back to the hospital again. She was delirious and not accepting food or water. She was unresponsive to external stimuli. We have standing medical orders-based upon her wishes-for no heroic measures (no PEG tubes, intubation / forced ventilation) and DNR (Do Not Resuscitate).

There may be two silver linings:

One-that her illness currently is limited to effects of viremia. I've had genuine bona-fide influenza a couple times in my life (and accompanying high fever, lethargy, inappetance) and was knocked out flat for a couple days too. If she gets through this without respiratory complications (she has none as far as I understand), perhaps that augers for her recovery.

Two-that if she does succumb to the infection in the next couple days, it will likely be quick and she won't know what hit her. She may even pass in her delirium-filled 'sleep'. A much better outcome than being on a ventilator for two weeks and dying anyways.

So the next 48 hours for her will be critical. We're hoping for the 'best' outcome, come what may.

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ORIGINAL: fcooke

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: fcooke

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Dog fetus: "I wonder if I am a Golden Retriever or a Labrador? God, please let me not be a Pug! I can't feel my face! It's too damned crowded in here!"

That hurts - my first 4 were Pugs.....

I am pretty sure dogs don't care what they look like. The question is...did YOU love them?

It also depends upon how they taste and that depends upon what, if anything, that you put on them . . .

mine are not chunky enough to make it worth the effort....that said, the reactions I get from my sister regarding eating Bambi (deer to be clear) is priceless. I almost fed her chili based on deer once, and relented at the last moment. Next time we are near cattle I will introduce her to Bessie.

All that said...I did recently imply her cat might make a nice stew....

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

Mind_messing contending that higher education is liberal, two weeks after contending (right here, in this thread) that college professors don't have a liberal bias.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Chickenboy, how is your aunt doing?

Thanks for asking. After her initial fever and positive COVID-19 RT-PCR test results, she was taken to the hospital, along with others from the same floor of her nursing home. Her fever broke after one day and she was transported to a temporary holding facility used to hold others that are virus positive. She can't return to her nursing facility until she is virus negative for obvious infectious disease control reasons.

Two days ago, I heard word through family that her fever had returned-much worse this time. She was taken back to the hospital again. She was delirious and not accepting food or water. She was unresponsive to external stimuli. We have standing medical orders-based upon her wishes-for no heroic measures (no PEG tubes, intubation / forced ventilation) and DNR (Do Not Resuscitate).

There may be two silver linings:

One-that her illness currently is limited to effects of viremia. I've had genuine bona-fide influenza a couple times in my life (and accompanying high fever, lethargy, inappetance) and was knocked out flat for a couple days too. If she gets through this without respiratory complications (she has none as far as I understand), perhaps that augers for her recovery.

Two-that if she does succumb to the infection in the next couple days, it will likely be quick and she won't know what hit her. She may even pass in her delirium-filled 'sleep'. A much better outcome than being on a ventilator for two weeks and dying anyways.

So the next 48 hours for her will be critical. We're hoping for the 'best' outcome, come what may.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

Mind_messing contending that higher education is liberal, two weeks after contending (right here, in this thread) that college professors don't have a liberal bias.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

I take every effort on the parts of others to 'throw their education levels in my face' with the huge grain of salt they deserve.

It's time for me to come clean and admit that I have been lying to you all about being an Architect. I have neither a degree, nor a professional license to practice. I am self taught, having worked my way up through the ranks from Junior Draftsman to Project Manager. I am not legally allowed to use the title Architect professionally, but for the past twenty years of my forty five year tenure in the profession I have worked in the same capacity as any other staff architect who doesn't use his seal.

I walked away from the University experience with a very sour taste in my mouth. It was NOT the institution of higher learning that I had been led to believe. Instead I found a processing house for societal legatmization, providing meal tickets to anyone who had the financial resources and instestinal fortitude to stay the course and recieve their meal ticket. I was disgusted by it.

Over the course of my 45 year tenure in the profession of architecture, I have had the distinct displeasure of having to work along side of one degreed and professionally licensed incompetent buffoon after another and would never make the naive mistake of assuming possession of a degree and a license to practice are in any way adequate indicators of intelligence and competence. I am highly respected by other architects, engineers, contractors and municipal administrators as one of the best 'architects' in the Bay Area and I have only a high school education.

My best friend from high school decided to become a pharmacist. he did his pre-pharmacy at FSU. FSU didn't have a pharmacy school so he applied to UF. UF was giving preference to those who did pre-pharmacy at UF so he didn't get accepted. He decided to go to FAMU, a historically black school that was in a position of having to provide 'racial incentive bonuses' to non-person-of-color in order to balance their racial quotas. He got a portion of his education paid for because he is white. Just prior to graduation, his class was provided with what was portrayed as a 'sample' licensing exam to use for study and practice for the real exam. They were told it was not the actual exam, but similar. When he took his licensing board exam, he told me that he burst out laughing as soon as he opened it. It was the exact same exam that had been provided to his class.

Some politician decided that the poor, socially challenged black students needed a helping hand to be able to pass their licensing exam. What a racist! Those people were denied their opportunity to prove their worth. This is an example of what one finds going on in so called 'institutions of higher learning'.

Higher education does NOT equate to intelligence, competence or wisdom.

It's the greatest irony of the age that the so called highly educated liberal intelligencia have become the modern day equivalent of the village idiot.

Go ahead flout your education level....see where it gets you with me.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I hope IHME is not using Chinese data.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

The contention here, two weeks ago, was that college professors don't have a liberal bias. So which is it?

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

Mind_messing contending that higher education is liberal, two weeks after contending (right here, in this thread) that college professors don't have a liberal bias.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

Higher education does NOT equate to intelligence, competence or wisdom.

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

I don't think the problem is education , it's educators. I went to college from 1979 to 1985 (no , I wasn't trying to do a "Bluto", nor was I particularly stupid , just a series of recall from the US Navy Reserve). After a disastrous 1st year trying to major in political science, I switched my major to history. I'd heard that the purpose of higher education wasn't to teach you information , but to teach you to think, to in effect , learn to use that knowledge. Traditionally that meant studying the classics. (Sorry , I do badly with languages , so no Latin or Greek for me). Once I had my BA , then I would go on to get a technical degree MA.

The other thing I did was to pick the oldest , stodgiest professors I could find. I referred to them behind their backs as the "bow tie brigade". What I found was that they generally taught in the "Classic way". I would learn "historiography", the "scientific method" and the most damning and hated (but most effective) of all, "The Socratic method". When these old geezers taught me , I really felt that I learned to THINK. (My high school chemistry teacher used to say every morning "I don't mean to swear at you so early in the morning people , BUT THINK!!!!").

Some of my younger professors didn't get this technique. Or approve of it. I secretly think they were more interested in indoctrination than teaching you to think for yourself , then effectively debate your point of view.

Current graduates are as one of my favorite columnist likes to say (Professor Glenn Reynolds of "instapundit" fame) "Today's graduates are CREDENTIALED , not educated".

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

I don't think the problem is education , it's educators. I went to college from 1979 to 1985 (no , I wasn't trying to do a "Bluto", nor was I particularly stupid , just a series of recall from the US Navy Reserve). After a disastrous 1st year trying to major in political science, I switched my major to history. I'd heard that the purpose of higher education wasn't to teach you information , but to teach you to think, to in effect , learn to use that knowledge. Traditionally that meant studying the classics. (Sorry , I do badly with languages , so no Latin or Greek for me). Once I had my BA , then I would go on to get a technical degree MA.

The other thing I did was to pick the oldest , stodgiest professors I could find. I referred to them behind their backs as the "bow tie brigade". What I found was that they generally taught in the "Classic way". I would learn "historiography", the "scientific method" and the most damning and hated (but most effective) of all, "The Socratic method". When these old geezers taught me , I really felt that I learned to THINK. (My high school chemistry teacher used to say every morning "I don't mean to swear at you so early in the morning people , BUT THINK!!!!").

Some of my younger professors didn't get this technique. Or approve of it. I secretly think they were more interested in indoctrination than teaching you to think for yourself , then effectively debate your point of view.

Current graduates are as one of my favorite columnist likes to say (Professor Glenn Reynolds of "instapundit" fame) "Today's graduates are CREDENTIALED , not educated".

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

The contention here, two weeks ago, was that college professors don't have a liberal bias. So which is it?

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

Flawed logic on your part: not all of those who are educated are in academia.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

Mind_messing contending that higher education is liberal, two weeks after contending (right here, in this thread) that college professors don't have a liberal bias.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

Higher education does NOT equate to intelligence, competence or wisdom.

There is published evidence that there is in fact a link between intelligence and educational achievement.

https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/wlsresearch/publications/files/public/Sewell-Shah_Socioeconomic.Status.I.A.H.E.pdf

And if you fancy something a bit more modern (and larger scale), then here you are:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Steve_Strand2/publication/222403422_Intelligence_and_Educational_Achievement/links/59fb3c30458515d070606cf6/Intelligence-and-Educational-Achievement.pdf

Is there an established scientific definition for competence or wisdom separate from Spearman's g?

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

I don't think the problem is education , it's educators. I went to college from 1979 to 1985 (no , I wasn't trying to do a "Bluto", nor was I particularly stupid , just a series of recall from the US Navy Reserve). After a disastrous 1st year trying to major in political science, I switched my major to history. I'd heard that the purpose of higher education wasn't to teach you information , but to teach you to think, to in effect , learn to use that knowledge. Traditionally that meant studying the classics. (Sorry , I do badly with languages , so no Latin or Greek for me). Once I had my BA , then I would go on to get a technical degree MA.

The other thing I did was to pick the oldest , stodgiest professors I could find. I referred to them behind their backs as the "bow tie brigade". What I found was that they generally taught in the "Classic way". I would learn "historiography", the "scientific method" and the most damning and hated (but most effective) of all, "The Socratic method". When these old geezers taught me , I really felt that I learned to THINK. (My high school chemistry teacher used to say every morning "I don't mean to swear at you so early in the morning people , BUT THINK!!!!").

Some of my younger professors didn't get this technique. Or approve of it. I secretly think they were more interested in indoctrination than teaching you to think for yourself , then effectively debate your point of view.

Current graduates are as one of my favorite columnist likes to say (Professor Glenn Reynolds of "instapundit" fame) "Today's graduates are CREDENTIALED , not educated".

Thank you for chiming in.

I consider myself to be somewhat highly educated, having pursued life long studies of astronomy, cosmology, a smattering of quantum physics, military and geopolitical history, art and architecture.

What I don't have and have never found the need to seek is external validation, ie...credentials.

Many years ago I taught myself technical specification writing for my chosen profession. This is the highly technical side of architecture wherein one must specify everything down to the types and sizes of fasteners. Very few of the 'designer' types ever want to learn it, which makes it a rare skill within the profession, making me a valuable asset and a desirable hire for any firm.

About a decade ago I was working in a firm where I was one of only two people with this skill. The other one, a licensed Architect, was constantly pushing me to acquire a Construction Specifications Institute (CSI) certification so I could add CSI after my name on my business cards. I thanked him for the repeated suggestions, but neither took him up on it, nor told him just what I think of 'certifications'.

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I consider myself to be somewhat highly educated, having pursued life long studies of astronomy, cosmology, a smattering of quantum physics, military and geopolitical history, art and architecture. What I don't have and have never found the need to seek is external validation, ie...credentials.

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ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

The contention here, two weeks ago, was that college professors don't have a liberal bias. So which is it?

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

Flawed logic on your part: not all of those who are educated are in academia.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

Mind_messing contending that higher education is liberal, two weeks after contending (right here, in this thread) that college professors don't have a liberal bias.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

Higher education does NOT equate to intelligence, competence or wisdom.

There is published evidence that there is in fact a link between intelligence and educational achievement.

https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/wlsresearch/publications/files/public/Sewell-Shah_Socioeconomic.Status.I.A.H.E.pdf

And if you fancy something a bit more modern (and larger scale), then here you are:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Steve_Strand2/publication/222403422_Intelligence_and_Educational_Achievement/links/59fb3c30458515d070606cf6/Intelligence-and-Educational-Achievement.pdf

Is there an established scientific definition for competence or wisdom separate from Spearman's g?

I think there is a slight gap in the reasoning though.

There may be evidence to show that higher intelligence correlates with educational achievement.
There may also be evidence to show that educational achievement correlates with more liberal views.
What doesn't follow as a logical necessity is that higher intelligence correlates with more liberal views.

I know that this example is overused but it always sticks in my head
Ice cream sales increase in hot weather.
Hot weather correlates with increased deaths from drownings
This does not mean that ice cream sales are causing people to drown.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

The contention here, two weeks ago, was that college professors don't have a liberal bias. So which is it?

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

Flawed logic on your part: not all of those who are educated are in academia.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This is just lovely.

Mind_messing contending that higher education is liberal, two weeks after contending (right here, in this thread) that college professors don't have a liberal bias.

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

There is a well-documented association between education levels and liberal views, even if there are a lot of factors at play.

Higher education does NOT equate to intelligence, competence or wisdom.

There is published evidence that there is in fact a link between intelligence and educational achievement.

https://www.ssc.wisc.edu/wlsresearch/publications/files/public/Sewell-Shah_Socioeconomic.Status.I.A.H.E.pdf

And if you fancy something a bit more modern (and larger scale), then here you are:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Steve_Strand2/publication/222403422_Intelligence_and_Educational_Achievement/links/59fb3c30458515d070606cf6/Intelligence-and-Educational-Achievement.pdf

Is there an established scientific definition for competence or wisdom separate from Spearman's g?

I think there is a slight gap in the reasoning though.

There may be evidence to show that higher intelligence correlates with educational achievement.
There may also be evidence to show that educational achievement correlates with more liberal views.
What doesn't follow as a logical necessity is that higher intelligence correlates with more liberal views.

I know that this example is overused but it always sticks in my head
Ice cream sales increase in hot weather.
Hot weather correlates with increased deaths from drownings
This does not mean that ice cream sales are causing people to drown.

The phrase you're looking for is a spurious correlation: https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

I've not claimed that its a logical necessity - just that there is a link.

The association could be driven by many factors:

- more educated people may have been more liberal to begin with
- more conservative people may place less value on education above X level, so not go to college
- etc etc

However, while we don't know the driving factors, there is evidence for the association. If we can't unpick it precisely, we can take a reasonably good guess at what the driving factors are (in your case hot weather as the common driver behind increased swimming and ice cream sales).

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

I am amazed at how many people still seem to have no idea how their personal choices about avoiding social contact can have dire consequences for people a couple of contacts away from them. Think of the six degrees of separation paradigm - you can connect people worldwide with just six "contacts".