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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Randolph County, Georgia, is adjacent to Dougherty County, where that well-publicized (and oft-discussed here) funeral outbreak occurred in February. The cases have largely died down there - it's been holding steady at 19 deaths for many days or even weeks now. That is "old news" - it doesn't represent a rural/semi-rural outbreak that's just developing.

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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

Anyone talking about keeping the lockdown until there's a vaccine should be ignored, or, if they're a politician, voted out of office.

We just had a great four-day weekend in Korea. This son of a gun is all but beat. I think it's been four or five days with ZERO indigenous cases in the country. A few trickle in at the airport each day. The latest: S. Korea reports no new local virus cases ahead of eased social distancing

I took my family to the country's largest amusement park on Thursday, which was Buddha's Birthday. It was crowded, but everyone was wearing masks and we got a complimentary temperature check on the way in. The social distancing wouldn't have passed the Karen test (i.e. it wasn't too good). We spent the night at what they call a "pension" and then went to a nearby folk village the next day, which was also fairly crowded by the time we left. It was great to get out. We met the missus's sister's family, and my wife's sister is also a nurse practitioner. If they're cool with such outings, then I'm cool. The government is still afraid to open public schools, but private ones are good to go if they want. My daughter started pre-school two weeks ago. There are about eight kids in her class and they wear masks.

Here's a Korea recap:

- No lockdowns on private business except a 10-day closure of large nightclubs in Seoul.
- No "essential" business designations: if you want to be open, stay open, and sell whatever you want within your store.
- Public schools closed fairly early, and will probably reopen within 10 days.
- No ban on people coming from other countries; however, you'll be subject to testing (from some countries) and a 14-day quarantine (from everywhere) if you come here.
- People have been enjoying the great outdoors throughout, but people do wear masks.
- Subways have remained open.
- There was a national election on April 15 and people have to cast paper ballots in person here (they don't trust mail-in or electronic ballots, and believe it or not, they require ID to vote). Turnout was higher than the average legislative election and there were zero Covid cases attributed to voting.

Good luck and may your respective lockdowns end sooner rather than later.

Cheers,
CB

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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

Anyone talking about keeping the lockdown until there's a vaccine should be ignored, or, if they're a politician, voted out of office.

We just had a great four-day weekend in Korea. This son of a gun is all but beat. I think it's been four or five days with ZERO indigenous cases in the country. A few trickle in at the airport each day. The latest: S. Korea reports no new local virus cases ahead of eased social distancing

I took my family to the country's largest amusement park on Thursday, which was Buddha's Birthday. It was crowded, but everyone was wearing masks and we got a complimentary temperature check on the way in. The social distancing wouldn't have passed the Karen test (i.e. it wasn't too good). We spent the night at what they call a "pension" and then went to a nearby folk village the next day, which was also fairly crowded by the time we left. It was great to get out. We met the missus's sister's family, and my wife's sister is also a nurse practitioner. If they're cool with such outings, then I'm cool. The government is still afraid to open public schools, but private ones are good to go if they want. My daughter started pre-school two weeks ago. There are about eight kids in her class and they wear masks.

Here's a Korea recap:

- No lockdowns on private business except a 10-day closure of large nightclubs in Seoul.
- No "essential" business designations: if you want to be open, stay open, and sell whatever you want within your store.
- Public schools closed fairly early, and will probably reopen within 10 days.
- No ban on people coming from other countries; however, you'll be subject to testing (from some countries) and a 14-day quarantine (from everywhere) if you come here.
- People have been enjoying the great outdoors throughout, but people do wear masks.
- Subways have remained open.
- There was a national election on April 15 and people have to cast paper ballots in person here (they don't trust mail-in or electronic ballots, and believe it or not, they require ID to vote). Turnout was higher than the average legislative election and there were zero Covid cases attributed to voting.

Good luck and may your respective lockdowns end sooner rather than later.

Cheers,
CB

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The Freedom of the Press is probably universally respected and cherished. At the same time, the Press is uber-powerful and has abused its power for many years. It has therefore made many enemies, who wish to hold it accountable for it's abuses. The Press repeatedly and self-righteously declares itself threatened and under attack, but it brought it on itself. Some of the attacks are not justified or are too extreme, of course, but many are people responding in good faith to the perceived abuses. With great power comes great responsibility.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The Freedom of the Press is probably universally respected and cherished.

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At the same time, the Press is uber-powerful and has abused its power for many years.

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It has therefore made many enemies, who wish to hold it accountable for it's abuses.

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The Press repeatedly and self-righteously declares itself threatened and under attack, but it brought it on itself. Some of the attacks are not justified or are too extreme, of course, but many are people responding in good faith to the perceived abuses. With great power comes great responsibility.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Perception is reality. What is perceived to be real, is real.

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When supposed neutral journalists are crying because of election results, they are not neutral.

When their reports are slanted, when there is not a good investigative side that questions what certain people/organizations state, when records are falsified and reported as fact, when the information that is obtained does not meet their personal beliefs the message and the messengers are attack, there is a problem. When people keep seeing it, they learn to distrust the medium that those things ccme from.

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It is like an engineer doing a science show as an expert. While there s some science background, an engineer is not a scientist.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

We have strongly different views that won't be reconciled here. Rather than clogging the thread, I'll move on (or we can discuss via PM).

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ORIGINAL: obvert

While the threats to global media freedom are real and concerning in their own right, their impact on the state of democracy is what makes them truly dangerous.


https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-and-media/2019/media-freedom-downward-spiral

The fundamental right to seek and disseminate information through an independent press is under attack, and part of the assault has come from an unexpected source. Elected leaders in many democracies, who should be press freedom’s staunchest defenders, have made explicit attempts to silence critical media voices and strengthen outlets that serve up favorable coverage. The trend is linked to a global decline in democracy itself: The erosion of press freedom is both a symptom of and a contributor to the breakdown of other democratic institutions and principles, a fact that makes it especially alarming.

According to Freedom House’s Freedom in the World data, media freedom has been deteriorating around the world over the past decade, with new forms of repression taking hold in open societies and authoritarian states alike. The trend is most acute in Europe, previously a bastion of well-established freedoms, and in Eurasia and the Middle East, where many of the world’s worst dictatorships are concentrated. If democratic powers cease to support media independence at home and impose no consequences for its restriction abroad, the free press corps could be in danger of virtual extinction.

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That problem is that there has ceased to be the one-time division between “church” (the editorial page that is filled with opinion), and “state”, the news pages that are supposed to be filled with facts -- just the facts. Now there is no difference at all between the two, and the wall separating opinion from fact-filled-journalism has been deliberately razed to the ground.

In fact, this has been a problem at the Times that in its own slow-motion fashion has been coming for some time. Now, it is here as a full-blown daily reality.

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ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

Anyone talking about keeping the lockdown until there's a vaccine should be ignored, or, if they're a politician, voted out of office.

We just had a great four-day weekend in Korea. This son of a gun is all but beat. I think it's been four or five days with ZERO indigenous cases in the country. A few trickle in at the airport each day. The latest: S. Korea reports no new local virus cases ahead of eased social distancing

I took my family to the country's largest amusement park on Thursday, which was Buddha's Birthday. It was crowded, but everyone was wearing masks and we got a complimentary temperature check on the way in. The social distancing wouldn't have passed the Karen test (i.e. it wasn't too good). We spent the night at what they call a "pension" and then went to a nearby folk village the next day, which was also fairly crowded by the time we left. It was great to get out. We met the missus's sister's family, and my wife's sister is also a nurse practitioner. If they're cool with such outings, then I'm cool. The government is still afraid to open public schools, but private ones are good to go if they want. My daughter started pre-school two weeks ago. There are about eight kids in her class and they wear masks.

Here's a Korea recap:

- No lockdowns on private business except a 10-day closure of large nightclubs in Seoul.
- No "essential" business designations: if you want to be open, stay open, and sell whatever you want within your store.
- Public schools closed fairly early, and will probably reopen within 10 days.
- No ban on people coming from other countries; however, you'll be subject to testing (from some countries) and a 14-day quarantine (from everywhere) if you come here.
- People have been enjoying the great outdoors throughout, but people do wear masks.
- Subways have remained open.
- There was a national election on April 15 and people have to cast paper ballots in person here (they don't trust mail-in or electronic ballots, and believe it or not, they require ID to vote). Turnout was higher than the average legislative election and there were zero Covid cases attributed to voting.

Good luck and may your respective lockdowns end sooner rather than later.

Cheers,
CB

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Isn't the fact that you know about that due to journalism reporting it? You're making the case yourself.

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NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

DAN BLATHER, editor-in-chief of CBS News was FIRED for making up a story on Bush 43 because he had a grudge against Bush 41 (among other things).

He was undone because the fake document used a print font not even invented when the letter was supposed to be written. Then, when he is ordered to retract he goes on air and says "CBS News is unable to confirm the accuracy of this letter"

NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

NBC shelved stories on Weinstein because he was a Clinton donor.

CNN anchors literally cried on air when Trump won.

CNN literally conspired with the Obama DNI to give a briefing to Trump on the Pee Dossier so they could run with the story (which everyone knew was Russian gossip)

MSNBC??? What can you say?

The Editor of the NYT wrote an opinion piece to HIS OWN STAFF after 2106 asking them to be more "balanced". Like he asleep the whole time?

BTW, the Washington Press Corps KNEW that JFK had a full-time procurer of young females

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Perception is reality. What is perceived to be real, is real.

Really? Whose perception?

Is there no objectivity at all? Are you discounting the scientific method as well as journalism?

"Perceived to be real" by who? Everyone? Or you? Or a scientist? Or a priest? Or a politician?

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When supposed neutral journalists are crying because of election results, they are not neutral.

When their reports are slanted, when there is not a good investigative side that questions what certain people/organizations state, when records are falsified and reported as fact, when the information that is obtained does not meet their personal beliefs the message and the messengers are attack, there is a problem. When people keep seeing it, they learn to distrust the medium that those things ccme from.

I would argue some of your statements are correct, but you supply no individual evidence and this could apply to journalism that is from any end of the opinion or political spectrum.

So what you're saying is that we need more objective information, evidence and transparency? Is that right?

This seems to contradict your initial statement about perception.

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It is like an engineer doing a science show as an expert. While there s some science background, an engineer is not a scientist.

Interesting that you bring in science here. An engineer does need to know some science, actually. But what kind of engineer? Electrical, software, industrial physical?

Any of those could qualify as an expert for different aspects of science related to their fields. Physics comes to mind immediately. Electromagnetism. Geology. I could go on ...

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

As a non-American, sources would be helpful for context.

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NBC TIMED the release of a 10 year old audio tape that EVERYBODY at NBC News knew about to harm Trump. The story was true but the timing was purely political.

That's an issue...how exactly? Content is timed for maximum traction and relevance all across the world. Doesn't seem in the same league as the others.