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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves.

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Human behavior is actually SELECTING strains with higher infectivity. As we move apart from each other we give an evolutionary advantage to strains that fly through the air, smell humans and use GPS navigation.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

This is a prepublication paper which will be of most interest to Cap Mandrake and Chickenboy:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf

For the layman probably the chief point of interest from the paper is the view that the initial Wuhan spike protein D614G has mutated largely to G614 which is found in Europe and North America.  The significance of which is that the mutation seems to be more "contagious" but less "severe".  One conclusion which results is that the increased number of European and North American infections is not due to policy responses but simply is the logical outcome of the mutation.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves.

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

My middle boy had KD last year - I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He didn't respond to the IVIG - that was what was so scary.

We're seeing a lot of articles trying to link the two together or tie them together somehow. Not sure, but they could be.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'd never heard of KD before Cap and you mentioned it. Thus prompted, I looked it up. I see that it's treatable; I read your note that your boy didn't respond to the (usual?) treatment. Did he recover fully (that seems likely, else you'd probably have mentioned it)?

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves.

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

My middle boy had KD last year - I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He didn't respond to the IVIG - that was what was so scary.

We're seeing a lot of articles trying to link the two together or tie them together somehow. Not sure, but they could be.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Two months. It seems a long time ago when we were surprised by an increase in cases in Italy. It's interesting to note now that it is being found that the virus was already moving through the population in NY in January, it was in France in December, and it is likely it was in many other places during January.

To see this over time is surprising to me since it hasn't been long at all.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I believe some one asked for examples:

A commentary on the liberal bias of multi-country high tech communications platforms.

Dare we refer to them as 'media'?

Bokhari: Tech Censorship Is Now a Public Health Hazard

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/05/bokhari-tech-censorship-is-now-a-public-health-hazard/

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'd never heard of KD before Cap and you mentioned it. Thus prompted, I looked it up. I see that it's treatable; I read your note that your boy didn't respond to the (usual?) treatment. Did he recover fully (that seems likely, else you'd probably have mentioned it)?

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves.

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

My middle boy had KD last year - I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He didn't respond to the IVIG - that was what was so scary.

We're seeing a lot of articles trying to link the two together or tie them together somehow. Not sure, but they could be.

All the Great Google in the Sky gave me on a KD search was Kevin Durant.

I still don't have a clue what KD is.....

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I believe some one asked for examples:

A commentary on the liberal bias of multi-country high tech communications platforms.

Dare we refer to them as 'media'?

Bokhari: Tech Censorship Is Now a Public Health Hazard

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/05/bokhari-tech-censorship-is-now-a-public-health-hazard/

In a quick skim I noticed this:

The censorship of AYTU is just one example of Silicon Valley’s coronavirus overreach. YouTube has also censored a video of two doctors in Bakersfield, California, who recommended an early end to the nationwide shutdowns.

Interesting there is no context from Breitbart to support a positive or negative context to why this may have been shutdown by youtube.

This had been part of our thread earlier. I don't have time to go through every one of the many assertions in this article, but not offering context on this one is a serious omission and shows a lack of journalistic integrity since many experts and several official medical groups have condemned their approach and findings.

They dressed in scrubs. They sounded scientific. And last week’s message from two Bakersfield doctors was exactly what many stuck-at-home Americans wanted to hear: COVID-19 is no worse than influenza, its death rates are low and we should all go back to work and school.

Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care, which offers Bakersfield’s only private walk-in COVID-19 testing site, held a press conference on April 22 to report their conclusions about COVID-19 test results. During the conference, broadcast on YouTube, the doctors said that 12% of Californians tested so far have been infected. Extrapolating that to the general population, they estimated that as many as 5 million Californians have likely contracted the virus. They then used the total number of COVID-19 deaths statewide (roughly 1,200, as of last week) to calculate a death rate of just 0.03% — similar to the average death rate from seasonal flu.

Public health experts were quick to point out the major flaws in the doctors’ methodology – namely that only a tiny percentage of Californians have actually been tested, a group that is more likely to test positive and is not representative of the larger population.

But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing.

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

“They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said.

Still, the early media coverage of the doctors’ announcement went viral (digitally, that is) over the weekend. The press conference video garnered more than 5 million views before YouTube removed it on Monday for violating community guidelines.

Youtube's statement on the removal:

“We quickly remove flagged content that violate our Community Guidelines, including content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of local healthy authority recommended guidance on social distancing that may lead others to act against that guidance," said the statement. "However, content that provides sufficient educational, documentary, scientific or artistic (EDSA) context is allowed -- for example, news coverage of this interview with additional context. From the very beginning of the pandemic, we’ve had clear policies against COVID-19 misinformation and are committed to continue providing timely and helpful information at this critical time.”

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'd never heard of KD before Cap and you mentioned it. Thus prompted, I looked it up. I see that it's treatable; I read your note that your boy didn't respond to the (usual?) treatment. Did he recover fully (that seems likely, else you'd probably have mentioned it)?

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert is right! Everyone stop defending themselves.

Cases ramping up in Orange County, Calif. My wife's hospital just doubled their COVID ICU size with the help of FEMA.

My colleague admitted a patient with Kawasaki's Disease two days ago. High fever, conjunctivitis. COVID PCR negative but IGG antibody POSITIVE. The toddler had a bad case of coronary aneurysms (a serious complication of KD). Children's Hospital reporting a surge in KD patients (an uncommon condition).

Perhaps this is a post-infectious complication of COVID?

My middle boy had KD last year - I wouldn't wish it on anyone. He didn't respond to the IVIG - that was what was so scary.

We're seeing a lot of articles trying to link the two together or tie them together somehow. Not sure, but they could be.

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I believe some one asked for examples:

A commentary on the liberal bias of multi-country high tech communications platforms.

Dare we refer to them as 'media'?

Bokhari: Tech Censorship Is Now a Public Health Hazard

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/05/bokhari-tech-censorship-is-now-a-public-health-hazard/

In a quick skim I noticed this:

The censorship of AYTU is just one example of Silicon Valley’s coronavirus overreach. YouTube has also censored a video of two doctors in Bakersfield, California, who recommended an early end to the nationwide shutdowns.

Interesting there is no context from Breitbart to support a positive or negative context to why this may have been shutdown by youtube.

This had been part of our thread earlier. I don't have time to go through every one of the many assertions in this article, but not offering context on this one is a serious omission and shows a lack of journalistic integrity since many experts and several official medical groups have condemned their approach and findings.

They dressed in scrubs. They sounded scientific. And last week’s message from two Bakersfield doctors was exactly what many stuck-at-home Americans wanted to hear: COVID-19 is no worse than influenza, its death rates are low and we should all go back to work and school.

Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care, which offers Bakersfield’s only private walk-in COVID-19 testing site, held a press conference on April 22 to report their conclusions about COVID-19 test results. During the conference, broadcast on YouTube, the doctors said that 12% of Californians tested so far have been infected. Extrapolating that to the general population, they estimated that as many as 5 million Californians have likely contracted the virus. They then used the total number of COVID-19 deaths statewide (roughly 1,200, as of last week) to calculate a death rate of just 0.03% — similar to the average death rate from seasonal flu.

Public health experts were quick to point out the major flaws in the doctors’ methodology – namely that only a tiny percentage of Californians have actually been tested, a group that is more likely to test positive and is not representative of the larger population.

But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing.

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

“They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said.

Still, the early media coverage of the doctors’ announcement went viral (digitally, that is) over the weekend. The press conference video garnered more than 5 million views before YouTube removed it on Monday for violating community guidelines.

Youtube's statement on the removal:

“We quickly remove flagged content that violate our Community Guidelines, including content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of local healthy authority recommended guidance on social distancing that may lead others to act against that guidance," said the statement. "However, content that provides sufficient educational, documentary, scientific or artistic (EDSA) context is allowed -- for example, news coverage of this interview with additional context. From the very beginning of the pandemic, we’ve had clear policies against COVID-19 misinformation and are committed to continue providing timely and helpful information at this critical time.”

Instead of addressing the manner in which Big Tech are silencing voices of dissent, you micro focus on a health study as a means of avoiding the point.

You sir are an expert at deflection.

My hat is off to you.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
So given the context of ALL the information, should YouTube be criticized or applauded for removing the video? There will likely be supporters on both sides but YouTube is in a no-win situation no matter whether it did something or nothing.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Two months. It seems a long time ago when we were surprised by an increase in cases in Italy. It's interesting to note now that it is being found that the virus was already moving through the population in NY in January, it was in France in December, and it is likely it was in many other places during January.

To see this over time is surprising to me since it hasn't been long at all.

These charts challenge the notions that the US handled the pandemic well.
- it just edges out Italy (60.36 million pop.) in percentage of cases divided by population
- the US cases figure is likely much lower than it should be because testing has been so minimal
- the US had more time to prepare as it saw what was happening in Europe
- the three US states that had their peak of infections are declining in their new ones, but the other states in aggregate are rising in new cases per day (from a news report yesterday), using CDC figures
- the health care system in the US does not seem to have fared any better than other developed countries at handling the outbreak. The patchwork of distancing directives (or not) is part of the health care system when it comes to public health measures.

While I applaud the optimism that we will all beat this thing (with some losses and disablements) eventually, I stand on the cautious side that says lets open the door slowly and see what awaits us as we move out. I am concerned that those states/provinces that move too quickly/confidently do not have good plans to slam the door again and in the meantime, could affect their neighbours.

Just trying to be realistic about the situation as I see it.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Yuck. Very hard to hold a child and not know how serious something is. To talk to the doctor and him tell you, "We just don't know." I was there with my daughter when she was 12, so I think I know how you feel. Glad your boy is doing fine and running around with his friends. Post a photo when he's the mascot at K-State or getting married, one of these days. (My wife was stout too.)

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

I believe some one asked for examples:

A commentary on the liberal bias of multi-country high tech communications platforms.

Dare we refer to them as 'media'?

Bokhari: Tech Censorship Is Now a Public Health Hazard

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/05/bokhari-tech-censorship-is-now-a-public-health-hazard/

In a quick skim I noticed this:

The censorship of AYTU is just one example of Silicon Valley’s coronavirus overreach. YouTube has also censored a video of two doctors in Bakersfield, California, who recommended an early end to the nationwide shutdowns.

Interesting there is no context from Breitbart to support a positive or negative context to why this may have been shutdown by youtube.

This had been part of our thread earlier. I don't have time to go through every one of the many assertions in this article, but not offering context on this one is a serious omission and shows a lack of journalistic integrity since many experts and several official medical groups have condemned their approach and findings.

They dressed in scrubs. They sounded scientific. And last week’s message from two Bakersfield doctors was exactly what many stuck-at-home Americans wanted to hear: COVID-19 is no worse than influenza, its death rates are low and we should all go back to work and school.

Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care, which offers Bakersfield’s only private walk-in COVID-19 testing site, held a press conference on April 22 to report their conclusions about COVID-19 test results. During the conference, broadcast on YouTube, the doctors said that 12% of Californians tested so far have been infected. Extrapolating that to the general population, they estimated that as many as 5 million Californians have likely contracted the virus. They then used the total number of COVID-19 deaths statewide (roughly 1,200, as of last week) to calculate a death rate of just 0.03% — similar to the average death rate from seasonal flu.

Public health experts were quick to point out the major flaws in the doctors’ methodology – namely that only a tiny percentage of Californians have actually been tested, a group that is more likely to test positive and is not representative of the larger population.

But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing.

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

“They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said.

Still, the early media coverage of the doctors’ announcement went viral (digitally, that is) over the weekend. The press conference video garnered more than 5 million views before YouTube removed it on Monday for violating community guidelines.

Youtube's statement on the removal:

“We quickly remove flagged content that violate our Community Guidelines, including content that explicitly disputes the efficacy of local healthy authority recommended guidance on social distancing that may lead others to act against that guidance," said the statement. "However, content that provides sufficient educational, documentary, scientific or artistic (EDSA) context is allowed -- for example, news coverage of this interview with additional context. From the very beginning of the pandemic, we’ve had clear policies against COVID-19 misinformation and are committed to continue providing timely and helpful information at this critical time.”

Instead of addressing the manner in which Big Tech are silencing voices of dissent, you micro focus on a health study as a means of avoiding the point.

You sir are an expert at deflection.

My hat is off to you.

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

I've witnessed cancer, parkinsons, failed surgeries.. etc etc.. but man anything that involves children - sucks. Pure and simple and it's just not fair. There isn't any other way to put it.

Cap can probably tell you more about it than I can - I just know it was awful to go through it, but looking back he was probably going to make it the entire time, but we did dodge a bullet with the blood pressure drop, because my wife told them to stop just to let his body rest and take a breather, or he probably wouldn't of made it.

Sorry for the long rambling post

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

You couldn't make it up part 3,507

So, as I mentioned yesterday, there is concern that people are still not taking this thing seriously and are flouting the guidance from the Government about social distancing.

And what do we hear? The bloody Chief Medical Officer of Scotland - who has been hammering home that guidance - feels she is SO damn important that advice to the plebs doesn't need to be heeded by her.

And what happens? At a time when trying to get people to realise the seriousness of this is falling on deaf ears for too many people? Her boss decides its okay, she can simply carry on getting her juicy fat pay check. Oh but the police have been around to her gaff to make sure she understands the error of her ways .

So next time a minister or a medical officer implores people to do the right thing, what is their example? One law for those in power - who can do what they want, and one for the plebs.

Seriously you can't make this rubbish up.


HEED MY WORDS! DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

HEED MY WORDS! DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO

Seems that it's a nation wide problem in that regard...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/05/uk-coronavirus-adviser-prof-neil-ferguson-resigns-after-breaking-lockdown-rules

"Prof Neil Ferguson, the epidemiologist whose modelling helped shape Britain’s coronavirus lockdown strategy, has quit as a government adviser after flouting the rules by receiving visits from his lover at his home."

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

You couldn't make it up part 3,507

So, as I mentioned yesterday, there is concern that people are still not taking this thing seriously and are flouting the guidance from the Government about social distancing.

And what do we hear? The bloody Chief Medical Officer of Scotland - who has been hammering home that guidance - feels she is SO damn important that advice to the plebs doesn't need to be heeded by her.

And what happens? At a time when trying to get people to realise the seriousness of this is falling on deaf ears for too many people? Her boss decides its okay, she can simply carry on getting her juicy fat pay check. Oh but the police have been around to her gaff to make sure she understands the error of her ways .

So next time a minister or a medical officer implores people to do the right thing, what is their example? One law for those in power - who can do what they want, and one for the plebs.

Seriously you can't make this rubbish up.


HEED MY WORDS! DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO

Seems that it's a nation wide problem in that regard...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/05/uk-coronavirus-adviser-prof-neil-ferguson-resigns-after-breaking-lockdown-rules

"Prof Neil Ferguson, the epidemiologist whose modelling helped shape Britain’s coronavirus lockdown strategy, has quit as a government adviser after flouting the rules by receiving visits from his lover at his home."

I find this one a bit ridiculous. Neil Ferguson already had Covid and recovered quite some time ago. Even based on studies that show people shed the virus up to eight days after symptoms stop he is weeks beyond that.

Let him do his work.