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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/14/2020 3:14:28 PM

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I am struggling mightily to keep my Carriers fully equipped with planes. Perhaps I am better off saying I am failing here. Most of the squadrons are very small and or permanently restricted.

The Ryujo has finished repairs at Hiroshima and will re-enter the fray.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/14/2020 3:23:49 PM

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Now that it is February, I got curious on how I would handle ship upgrades with no tracker.

It seems upgrades have to be turned on, for them to show up on the "show ships due upgrade" button. Guess I will be allowing upgrades for ships on this list from now on. Hope I don't inadvertently upgrade needed ships because of this. Will make port selection a little more important going forward.

You can see how unlike a JFB this game is, with lots of warships in port, sailors idling with the local attractions no doubt.

Nevermind, doing this doesn't actually show ships due upgrades, it shows ships due upgrades at anytime...say in 1943 for example.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 2:22:05 PM

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2nd Week of Feb, 1942

5th Carrier Division in action again...going after the Pemberton to the south east today.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 2:25:32 PM

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American deep raiders...

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 2:46:33 PM

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2nd Week of February

Hunt for the Pemberton...Fifth Carrier Division strikes again.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 6:29:39 PM

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 8:23:56 PM

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Dateline: Feb 13, 1942

A scant forty five miles from Howland Island, the piratical Pemberton, a Qship, was finally sunk by Vals. Only 1 Seacat (of her original compliment of 24) was identified in the wreckage.

IJN High Command is contemplating a quick raid and invasion to destroy the remaining planes, which might have sought refuge at Howland Island, which is north of Baker Island.

The Fifth Carrier Division has gone radio silent and its location is currently unknown.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Howland Island at 149,134

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
D3A1 Val x 9

Allied aircraft
SO3C-3 Seacat x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 4 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AMC J.C. Pemberton, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Although some intelligence officers think she might have escaped in a plume of heavy smoke...

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AMC J.C. Pemberton

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 8:28:28 PM

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In other news, the forward defense of Johore Bahru has been decisively smashed in two engagements:

Ground combat at 50,82 (near Johore Bahru)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 120621 troops, 1285 guns, 566 vehicles, Assault Value = 3355

Defending force 22237 troops, 153 guns, 104 vehicles, Assault Value = 252

Japanese adjusted assault: 1681

Allied adjusted defense: 215

Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1849 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 124 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
9529 casualties reported
Squads: 348 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 452 destroyed, 41 disabled
Engineers: 20 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 53 (38 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Vehicles lost 37 (21 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Units retreated 11

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
33rd Division
56th Division
Imperial Guards Division
14th Division
5th Division
4th Division
38th Division
18th Division
2nd Division
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
20th AA Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
32nd Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
15th Indian Brigade
11th Indian Division
9th Indian Division
1st ISF Brigade
6th Indian Brigade
2nd Argylls Battalion
28th Gurkha Brigade
5/14th Punjab Battalion
3/16th Punjab Battalion
3rd HK&S Light AA Regiment
109th RN Base Force
III Indian Corps
112th RAF Base Force
137/155th Field Regiment

And the following day, the rear guard surrenders:
Ground combat at 50,82 (near Johore Bahru)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 96614 troops, 1064 guns, 498 vehicles, Assault Value = 3288

Defending force 916 troops, 16 guns, 15 vehicles, Assault Value = 7

Japanese adjusted assault: 1496

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 1496 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
791 casualties reported
Squads: 22 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 98 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 17 (17 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 18 (18 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 3

Assaulting units:
14th Division
56th Division
38th Division
4th Division
5th Division
33rd Division
18th Division
Imperial Guards Division
2nd Division
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
25th Army
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th AA Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
32nd Field AA Battalion

Defending units:
5/14th Punjab Battalion
112th RAF Base Force
137/155th Field Regiment

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 8:31:17 PM

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Balikpapen's first wave landed in great shape, the coastal guns and mines inflicting widespread but light damage, while the 2nd Wave approaches. This invasion is shepherded by the KB and a powerful Battleship SAG.

Ground combat at Balikpapan (64,97)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5568 troops, 37 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 94

Defending force 1979 troops, 26 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Japanese adjusted assault: 56

Allied adjusted defense: 21

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
177 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
79 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 8:43:05 PM

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And from around the fronts:

Brunei Despite a 2-1 attack, and forts at 0, the stubborn oversized Royal Navy bases refuse to retreat into the jungle.

Luzon:
The Battleship Texas has been spotted by Iboats, but so far they have been unable to launch a spread of torpedoes at her. She is heavily escorted by destroyers and fast minesweepers.

The Swayback is missing, but the dreaded Boise has been frequently seen with the Texas. A four ship enemy SAG, reportedly with heavy cruisers, was allowed to escape to the south and if it heads along the northeast coast of New Guinea will probably be in trouble. If it heads to Darwin, there is nothing to stop it.

Manila is besieged and only lightly held by the joint American Philippino forces. Mauben to the southeast was taken by parachutists, and the IJA is now redoubling efforts to take the City. The bulk of the enemy forces are between Clark AFB and Bataan.

China

Pengpu saw the first Chinese Corp totally destroyed. The 48th Chinese Corp was surrounded and eventually surrendered, when it launched it offensive at Pengpu the Corp seemed very close to full strength. The final battle report is listed below:

Japanese assault odds: 590 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(+), disruption(-), morale(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
5426 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 643 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (14 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Assaulting units:
56th Infantry Brigade
12th RGC Ind. Brigade
13th Ind.Mixed Brigade
17th Division
58th Infantry Brigade
Nanking Naval Guard Unit

Defending units:
48th Chinese Corps

Kuriles

There are quite a few lurking American fleets in the area. 2 American cruisers suffered several SAP bomb hits, and the Ryujo with a small contingent of Dive Bombers is looking to finish them, but so far has only encountered enemy destroyers although land based torpedo bombers did sortie against an American Oiler very close to Soviet territory a day or two ago.

Paramushiro finally has a small squadron of Jakes to supplement the seaplane tender's Jakes at Onnekotan-jima.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ketoi-jima at 134,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 42 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Thracian, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Electra

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Rabaul

Sufficient troops have assembled at Truk, Kavieng and Manus to attempt a landing here. Awaiting sufficient naval forces and better search.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/15/2020 9:02:53 PM

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Interesting I cannot really remember what I did in this particular variant !!!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 12:39:09 PM

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Who should command Southern Army?

The battle of Singapore is being treated as past conquests of Chungking, except that there are 180 enemy fighters and 90 bombers at Singapore, complicating the battle.

Johore Bahru, at combined level 6 base, will function as a support base for the rotation of troops. 9 Divisions will storm across the river into Singapore, with the Tiger of Malaya in local charge.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 12:54:29 PM

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One of my best led shallow water ASW task forces. I like to assign a TF commander, hand pick the Captains, and get the ASW weapon total over 12.

I don't see the problem in mixing ship types for this kind of work.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 1:12:20 PM

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My new thinking is to use 2 ship ASW task forces, allowing for a greater number of ASW task forces to be out patrolling. In addition, I am debating the use of an Rboat to each area. The manual suggests this is counterproductive in friendly waters, but my experience in unsure.

I have set patrol points to focus on shallow water, with a reaction range of 2, and coastal routing selected.

Hopefully, I have enough planes to achieve day time naval search, ASW search, and when I can get it night time naval search from land based air units. Floatplanes stay on their AV support ship and do not operate from land facilities.

The last tactic in this defense, is the use of small oilers and tankers to act as bait, drawing the subs into shallow water with a high concentration of patrolling ASW TFs and aerially search. The black line hex is absolutely perfect, surrounded by 3 runways at 1 hex range.

It might perhaps be a tactic too strong for use against the AI.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 1:15:43 PM

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Reported sub losses to date:

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 1:39:04 PM

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The 3rd Week of February

Orphan Ann announces the fall of Balikpapen, and only lightly damaged too!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 1:53:14 PM

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Note to self add more nasty stuff to Balikpapan

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 3:35:22 PM

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I like to use the Sub Chasers between Formosa and China. A 1 hex only patrol, react range of 1, Coastal only, set on High Threat tolerance. I have killed USN subs there or they became damaged enough to head to a local part - where they got bombed.

Don't forget to bomb Wenchow's port to destroy Chinese fuel.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 4:36:40 PM

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I have killed USN subs there or they became damaged enough to head to a local part - where they got bombed.

Don't forget to bomb Wenchow's port to destroy Chinese fuel.

Not doing either so far (bombing ports for damaged ships or for fuel). My goal is not to crush the AI, but rather prolong it and pursue some less than optimal choices to have fun.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 5:05:59 PM

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I swapped out the horrible Captains in a couple of faster AMCs' and I am using them to patrol inner lines...never used them like this before. Probably not a tactic for long, as they are very vulnerable to submarines.

Heron has nine lives it seems.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Iwo-jima at 111,81, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Akagi Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
AVP Heron, Shell hits 5, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Chiba, N. crosses the 'T'
Range closes to 17,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 18,000 yards
Range increases to 22,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Iwo-jima at 111,81, Range 21,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Kiyosumi Maru

Allied Ships
AVP Heron, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 21,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 21,000 yards...
Allied Support TF evades combat

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Iwo-jima at 111,81, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hasu
TB Hato

Allied Ships
AVP Heron, on fire

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 25,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Allied TF attempts to evade combat
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Allied Support TF evades combat

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Chichi-jima at 114,81, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
AMC Akagi Maru, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
AVP Heron, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
AMC Akagi Maru engages AVP Heron at 18,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 5:18:36 PM

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Third week of February

Brunei: Still trying to take it. 5 Naval Guard units versus those stubborn Royal Navy base forces that simply refuse to retreat.

Balikpapen: Landed a tank regiment on the beaches southwest of Balikpapen by mistake. Dorniers peppered the fleets, 10 were shot down, but an empty xak worth 8 vp was sunk by three bomb hits. I guess they have run out of torpedoes. I wonder how Andy gave them torpedoes in the first place. Perhaps in a support ship?

Rabaul invasion set for tomorrow. Heavy air attacks on the fleets today, but Carrier Division 5 beats them off.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 5:33:34 PM

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quote:

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Note to self add more nasty stuff to Balikpapan

Oh boy. More Good News!!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 5:35:05 PM

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Third week of February

Brunei: Still trying to take it. 5 Naval Guard units versus those stubborn Royal Navy base forces that simply refuse to retreat.

Balikpapen: Landed a tank regiment on the beaches southwest of Balikpapen by mistake. Dorniers peppered the fleets, 10 were shot down, but an empty xak worth 8 vp was sunk by three bomb hits. I guess they have run out of torpedoes. I wonder how Andy gave them torpedoes in the first place. Perhaps in a support ship?

Rabaul invasion set for tomorrow. Heavy air attacks on the fleets today, but Carrier Division 5 beats them off.

Remember, loadouts depend upon the DL of the target. Low value targets would get bombs over Torps ...

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 5:41:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Third week of February

Brunei: Still trying to take it. 5 Naval Guard units versus those stubborn Royal Navy base forces that simply refuse to retreat.

Balikpapen: Landed a tank regiment on the beaches southwest of Balikpapen by mistake. Dorniers peppered the fleets, 10 were shot down, but an empty xak worth 8 vp was sunk by three bomb hits. I guess they have run out of torpedoes. I wonder how Andy gave them torpedoes in the first place. Perhaps in a support ship?

Rabaul invasion set for tomorrow. Heavy air attacks on the fleets today, but Carrier Division 5 beats them off.

Remember, loadouts depend upon the DL of the target. Low value targets would get bombs over Torps ...

They have been consistently dropping bombs for a while (even at a bb -- could be range though). 53 reported shot down, only 2 flak and 2 op losses. Rest air to air.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/16/2020 9:28:58 PM

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53 down is really good for end of Feb. That's gotta be a big dent in the their numbers.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 12:42:29 PM

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4th week of February

Johore Bahru falls, and now it is down to Fortress Singapore. 115K troops, 37 units, 784 guns, 505 vehicles, 176 fighters, 88 bombers.

Brunei falls. Troop transport will arrive and those 5 Naval Guard units will now start performing a mad dash and grabbing bases before the invasion bonus runs out.

Samarinda falls next to Balikpapen.

Rabaul has 450 AV of IJA troopers there, but forts are 4...it will be a slow grind.

Manila should fall in the next attack. The Allies keep trying to sneak ships to Philippines north of the Marshalls. Sank two nice ships, an AE and a big AO. The AI has done a good job with their warships, but less so with merchant/support shipping.

Dorniers have been replaced pretty much by Beaufighters and their low strafing attacks as a primary threat to IJN shipping, and of course the ever present submarine threat.

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Viper Force!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 2:27:21 PM

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Fourth week of February

Manila Falls! But, boy is it trashed.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 2:53:26 PM

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ouch!
I think shipyard needs to be repaired, at least to allow DDs (so to around 3K).. I don't know if more is advisable; as you have HK nearby

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 5/17/2020 4:03:13 PM

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It loos like it would be easy to break the AI as Allies!

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