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beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/5/2020 7:38:19 PM   
willgamer


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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/5/2020 8:28:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jungle map are the worst as youtuber said and it's not a real outnumber as minor nation usually has the same amount of unit than you and use militia like you.(very bad on attack)

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/6/2020 12:08:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just explore a little bit. If you find a laser-tank or so you can fight them off. Some minor factions also have very strong units compared to militia from start. So it seems the start has to be lucky, but as it is a lost planet this is the setting, and really better than always the same start situation. The minor regimes dont attack if you block them (at least on beginner). But you have to close the way or they take the land.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/6/2020 3:10:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Same thing happened to me. I actually lost my capital on round 4. I just savescummed back to turn 1 and tried again. I'm now on round 30+ and doing fairly well.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/6/2020 4:47:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The worst part about having enemies start that close to you isn't the actual units themselves, as you will be able to clear them out eventually. It's the amount of danger that your city will build up with that many units close to you, which can easily lead to a death spiral with mounting unrest.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/6/2020 6:43:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks guys for all the helpful replies...

still...

isn't it a bit much to expect a beginner to mitigate this in their first game...

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/6/2020 7:47:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willgamer

Thanks guys for all the helpful replies...

still...

isn't it a bit much to expect a beginner to mitigate this in their first game...


Yeah, it is harsh. Started four games until now, in two I wrecked my economy, in the other two I was overrun after a couple of turns. All on beginner.

I don't mind so much, because I am learning, but it is a pity that all the energy in studying your characters and the lay of the land is wasted so fast.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/6/2020 9:43:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I keep encountering this. I'm on my 6th start now and four of those games were lost due to being absurdly outnumbered within the first 10 turns.

I just ran into it now, in fact, just a few minutes ago. In this case, on turn 3 or 4, a force 2x my size ran all through my territory, cutting off my supply lines and entirely surrounding some of my units. I've had no combat, no losses, no disasters, nothing like that. All I've been doing is exploring. This screenshot is from turn 5 or 6. (I really wish it would just say what turn number we're on in the top right.)

This is on the easiest difficulty.
How am I supposed to contest this? What am I missing, what am I supposed to be doing?

I've uploaded it here to imgur because we have this anemic 200kb upload limit. But it's within seven days since my tenth post, apparently, so the system still thinks I'm a bot. I've uploaded a cropped image here too.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/6/2020 11:15:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you start with 2 Armies? Doesn't look like it tbh..

In any case, if so, know that other Major Regimes also start with 2 armies so they could rush you I guess.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 6:46:22 AM   
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Did you start with 2 Armies? Doesn't look like it tbh..

In any case, if so, know that other Major Regimes also start with 2 armies so they could rush you I guess.



From the look of the screenshot above that is not a major regime that has attacked him but either Raiders or a slaver minor faction.

Secondly Major factions are not given extra armies at start. They operate to the same constraints military wise than the player.

I had the same experience as the OP in one game. Key was I refused to deal with the slavers who promptly swept in.

In my current game I have made peace with three minor factions through stratagem cards and concentrated my military to form a secure front line rather than over expanding with insufficient forces. Big difference.

This is a game that rewards a patient build up and use of diplomatic options to buy time.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 8:20:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Welcome to random generation, if your luck sucks you are in for some trouble. You can have such bad luck that you spawn surrounded by slaver minors each of whom will outnumber your militia forces (if you chose that start) and have DIY tanks and plenty of buggies and an unquenchable desire to surround your forces.

Sadly that's what that is, bad luck. There is no shame in restarting if you don't wanna struggle that early.

When restarting keep an eye on the surviving population, if you see lots of raiders maybe reconsider that planet, chances are high there will be plenty of slavers regimes on that planet.



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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 9:41:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Afaik the Major Factions are given extra armies, just like you, if you choose to start with armies (1 or 2).

Also had some, ah.., interesting starts.

I sure hope Vic keeps this in. I do not mind restarting if I do not like it but I would really dislike losing some very interesting starting situations!

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 12:34:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well usually once you see slavers with tank you try to delay them + it's early so stop exploring turtle game + you got 1200 credit you could recruit at least a regular brigade.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 2:27:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tester28

I keep encountering this. I'm on my 6th start now and four of those games were lost due to being absurdly outnumbered within the first 10 turns.

I just ran into it now, in fact, just a few minutes ago. In this case, on turn 3 or 4, a force 2x my size ran all through my territory, cutting off my supply lines and entirely surrounding some of my units. I've had no combat, no losses, no disasters, nothing like that. All I've been doing is exploring. This screenshot is from turn 5 or 6. (I really wish it would just say what turn number we're on in the top right.)

This is on the easiest difficulty.
How am I supposed to contest this? What am I missing, what am I supposed to be doing?

I've uploaded it here to imgur because we have this anemic 200kb upload limit. But it's within seven days since my tenth post, apparently, so the system still thinks I'm a bot. I've uploaded a cropped image here too.

J2wwiMJ



Don't expand too quickly. Most times you have a metal and water hex directly next to your city. Place troops on your city and this two hexes, the npcs stop in front of them. As soon as you mine the hexes you can build troops that are strong enough to deal with the minor regimes and secure longer borders.
You also get a strategem card with something like "make peace". This works not only if you are at war but also on minor regimes with "unclear" relations (white borders). As soon as you have peace the borders are fixed and they don't wander through your territory anymore.


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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 6:20:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Now that I've had a successful start, I encountered those same slaver raiders at a point where I actually had armies to defend against them. I was able to defeat them. I think the main thing holding me back was that I didn't realize there was a Recruit cap of 2,000 in place at start. I thought you got 2,000 Recruits a turn, and you just had to make due with that. Once I realized I could call my Zone governor and alter that, I realized I could have staved off those earlier game losses by doing this too.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 6:41:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had a similar situation, but I didn't quit. I just reloaded my save from turn 1 and changed my strategy.

I built a defensive line against the raiders, which bought me time to build up my industry. The farmers on the other side also wanted to walk into my territory and take my assets, so I kept my militias parked on top of all my assets like water and mines. Eventually they backed away long enough for me to start pushing the raiders back toward their capital. 50 turns have passed now and I've finally killed the raiders.

These starts are hard but wow are they intense and epic.

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RE: beginner- Outnumbered on turn 2... - 6/7/2020 6:42:13 PM   
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