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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/26/2020 4:56:51 PM

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May 14, 1942

Another skirmish at Kalitjati...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Kalidjati at 50,99, Range 7,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami, Shell hits 4
DD Hatsushima, Shell hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
CA Devonshire, Shell hits 10, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Djampea
CL Argonaute, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Sophie, Shell hits 1

Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 3% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 17,000 yards...

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/27/2020 12:55:25 PM

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Naval operations quieting down around Java...

Some good leadership at Batavia today, and we need to drop paratroopers onto the mountain stronghold to funnel the defenders to retreat to the north and clear terrain before our next attack.

Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 96266 troops, 1094 guns, 770 vehicles, Assault Value = 2603

Defending force 28114 troops, 419 guns, 71 vehicles, Assault Value = 663

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 2435

Allied adjusted defense: 4091

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2148 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 124 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 82 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 18 (2 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1449 casualties reported
Squads: 181 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 108 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 14 (3 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/27/2020 1:00:48 PM

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A sweet cargo ship sunk...Allied subs are quite good especially with 21inch Mk VIII torpedoes that dud very rarely.

Sub attack near Hengchun at 80,67

Japanese Ships
xAK Toba Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PB Yodozo Maru

Allied Ships
SS Quester

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/27/2020 2:18:16 PM

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At Merak, a French squadron is engaged...Takao moderately damaged.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 48,97, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1
CA Mikuma
DD Arashio
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 1
DD Ushio
DD Tsuga
DD Karii
TB Otori
TB Kamo

Allied Ships
DD Welles
CL Montcalm, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Basque
DD Forbin, Shell hits 2
CL Artemis, Shell hits 2

Poor visibility due to Rain with 10% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Rain and 10% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 20,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 14,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
Lavoie E. crosses the 'T'

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/27/2020 4:14:08 PM

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More in the Java sea...the BB will need repairs, this will be my third in drydock.

Yamato arrived today.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Merak at 48,97, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 3
BB Kirishima, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1
DD Oshio
DD Yamagumo
DD Murakumo, Shell hits 1
DD Uranami, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Namikaze

Allied Ships
DD Welles, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Basque
DD Forbin, Shell hits 3, on fire
CL Artemis

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/27/2020 5:34:54 PM

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Batavia finally falls (undamaged) after a series of bloody assaults.

Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 93021 troops, 1096 guns, 772 vehicles, Assault Value = 2327

Defending force 22750 troops, 385 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 334

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 1769

Allied adjusted defense: 273

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Batavia !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed
Vengeance I: 2 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
970 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 93 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 30 disabled
Guns lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units pursuing 3

Allied ground losses:
7272 casualties reported
Squads: 194 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 357 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 129 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 223 (201 destroyed, 22 disabled)
Vehicles lost 56 (55 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 13

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/27/2020 9:46:39 PM

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Are you on H difficulty? VH? I can seem to remember �

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/28/2020 2:21:11 AM

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Every day has been on very hard.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/28/2020 7:20:39 AM

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I thought so, but I couldn't find it in the thread �

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/28/2020 2:16:20 PM

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May 30, 1942

Java clean up!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/28/2020 2:27:29 PM

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Almost June, 1942

Will be getting the A6M3 in June at a rate of one per day. Not much, but will help. I can't keep my fighter squadrons filled out.

Nicks finally making it to the front lines, one squadron to Rabaul area, a Chutai to Ambon area.

Djambi taken, but 50 oil facilities damaged.

A6M8 r&d going strong with now 8 repaired size 30s, but still don't have engine bonus yet. Only one Tojo IIa factory repaired and researching. Everything else is still repairing.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/28/2020 2:33:42 PM

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Yes, it is very difficult to keep up with fighter losses � the air war is far more aggressive than PBEM simply because Andy AI has far more AC and will use them. Watch your economy. Easy to over extend. Control your usage by your pace of advance �

almost 500K sorties already, that's a lot of supply. as you have the chance, post your industry

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/28/2020 2:40:12 PM

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Economy.

I have expanded my naval builds a bit.

I have kept my vehicle product on the lowish side.

I have not really been running around all over with the IJN.

I am building all ships (even merchants). Accelerating some CVs as points allow.

I have had to spend a lot on rebuilding oil and some shipyards. Not rebuilding anything else generally speaking.

My Manchuko garrison is strong really only pulled some engineers out.

China is much quieter than normal.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/28/2020 5:25:42 PM

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Ahh, that explains a lot � (China). Interesting so far how it is playing out � not being involved in China is helping with your supply issues and certainly helping to ease your AC requirements. Of course, not taking down China early also has costs �

really interesting. When do you plan to have George and Frank?

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 1:48:20 AM

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Ahh, that explains a lot � (China). Interesting so far how it is playing out � not being involved in China is helping with your supply issues and certainly helping to ease your AC requirements. Of course, not taking down China early also has costs �

really interesting. When do you plan to have George and Frank?

Won't be getting them super early.

Only 5 on Frank A, 3 on George, 2 on Jack.

But halfway thru June I will get the engine bonus for A6M8 (which is already at 4/45) so I will be getting them early 1943 and they will do typical George work albeit at shorter ranges. Since the AI doesn't sweep, I should be ok.

I also have 5 on Tony for the armored Army interceptor...should come in late 1942. Once I get the 61-Ia, I will move most of the r&d facilities to Frank A or Ki94.

Plus four on Tojo IIa, once they arrive in July (guessing), I will move most of those r&d facilities over to Frank or Ki94 or perhaps a Kamikaze.

My r&d is definitely not pbem optimized, and the AI might very well really destroy me come 1943, but I think I should be okay if just barely.

Other than Sam, I have not decided upon late war fighter. To be honest, I am thinking rockets for giggles.

I have gone kind of heavy Peggy, Frances. I want to see if you can actually bomb Allied forces in 1944. Would like Patsy too...I also want to go heavy Grace.

Plus I will have a semi strong FB base, not up to pbem madness levels, but strong...with 5 factories on Randy.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 1:56:34 AM

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those rockets aren't much giggles � the short range is a real downside, even in the HI they are hard to use effectively. And the DUR, well you lose about 30% per mission. The climb rate though is insane, so they make interceptions, just that you lose so many pilots and aircraft in every encounter �

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 1:59:19 AM

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those rockets aren't much giggles � the short range is a real downside, even in the HI they are hard to use effectively. And the DUR, well you lose about 30% per mission. The climb rate though is insane, so they make interceptions, just that you lose so many pilots and aircraft in every encounter �

As part of a low layered cap, I bet they will play their part very well. We will see if we get that far.

Your experience mirrors Mr. Kanes, but I will be using them differently I think.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 2:17:11 AM

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they will, just that the losses will be really high, I mean we're talking single digit DUR. I tested them way back, the results were depressing. you know how you can lose 10% of your pilots to auto-kami attacks? Well with these rockets are like losing more like +30% per mission. The losses are hard to sustain � just my experience. If the rockets would actually down the aircraft they hit, it would be less painful. But just like the other auto-kami attacks, rarely does the fighter hitting the bomber cause the bomber to be lost � anyway, just my experience. looking forward to '45 when you get them!

PS: If you've already sandboxed them and figured out how to use them and avoid the losses, please share. It wasn't that I couldn't get them to be useful, its just their losses were always too high �

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 2:45:43 PM

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May 31, 1942

Northern tip of Java secured.

BB spotted steaming north, north west in Java sea...I would like to get the Yamato into this group, but she is at Balikpapen. Fast BB Hei is at Batavia and would be savaged by the Prince of Wales if the fight turned into a slugfest.

No troop convoys to protect around Batavia...

Tjilatjap is a very strong Allied air base...Japanese fighters really need some rest at Kalidjati and Batavia.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 2:58:48 PM

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PS: If you've already sandboxed them and figured out how to use them and avoid the losses, please share. It wasn't that I couldn't get them to be useful, its just their losses were always too high �

It has been so long since I actually played with them, but you are certainly doing a good job of talking me out of them.

The other area I want to play with for giggles is the big gun planes.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 2:59:43 PM

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I have a question that might sound stupid or strange, presuming that the Japanese had good intelligence, why would they attack against such odds? Yes, you are occupying the territory but it is neither quick nor easy. Think if you had a human opponent!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 4:38:45 PM

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June 1, 1942

Allies flexing their air muscles on Java...no way can I fight these kind of attacks.

In other news, A6M3 starts production, I am mulling increasing it to size 60 from 30. That would be able to keep 1-2 squadrons active per month until the A6M8 arrives.

Next fighter to look forward to is the Tojo IIa in August maybe sometime in July.

A squadron of Nicks arriving in Rabaul have caused the Allies to stop attacks there -- without any combats. AI is pretty good at this.

5th Carrier Division headed for radar upgrades, will be out of action for a month.

Morning Air attack on Kalidjati , at 50,99

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIa Trop x 24
Hurricane IIb Trop x 22
P-40E Warhawk x 17
Beaufighter VIc x 6
B-25C Mitchell x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 3 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 2 damaged
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground
G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
B-25C Mitchell: 7 damaged

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 4:41:03 PM

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I have a question that might sound stupid or strange, presuming that the Japanese had good intelligence, why would they attack against such odds? Yes, you are occupying the territory but it is neither quick nor easy. Think if you had a human opponent!

Why climb Mount Everest?

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 6:41:05 PM

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June 2, 1942

Allied combat ships getting better, but we still manage to sink two Leander class light cruisers, but it costs us a decent destroyer and many damaged:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Batavia at 50,98, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 1
DD Arashio, Shell hits 1
DD Ushio, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
DD Namikaze
DD Karii
TB Otori, Shell hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Karachi, Shell hits 1
DD Basque
CL Artemis, Shell hits 3
CL Aurora, Shell hi
Night Time Surface Combat, near Kalidjati at 50,99, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 4
CA Kumano
CL Jintsu, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
CL Yura
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 1, on fire
CL Tatsuta
DD Wakaba
DD Asakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Sawakaze
TB Hiyodori
TB Kari

Allied Ships
DD Karachi, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Basque
CL Artemis, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
CL Aurora, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

Night Time Surface Combat, near Kalidjati at 51,99, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma
CA Kumano, Shell hits 1
CL Jintsu, heavy fires
CL Yura
CL Abukuma, on fire
CL Tatsuta, Shell hits 1
DD Wakaba
DD Asakaze
DD Matsukaze
DD Sawakaze
TB Hiyodori
TB Kari

Allied Ships
DD Karachi, on fire
DD Basque, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
CL Artemis, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 7:33:14 PM

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June 6th, 1942

Well, the chances of Japan picking up more territory is starting to look decidedly bleak.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 7:35:31 PM

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Near Batavia, Yamato swings into action:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Batavia at 49,97, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Shell hits 1
DD Oboro
DD Yukaze
DD Namikaze, Shell hits 1
TB Sagi, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CA Vincennes, Shell hits 2
DD Walke
DD Shaw
DD Preston, Shell hits 2
DD Baroda
CL Antigone, Shell hits 1

And at Padang, west coast of Malaya..those destroyers are pretty heavily damaged.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Padang at 44,85, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 3
CL Yura
DD Wakaba, Shell hits 2
DD Asakaze, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
TB Hiyodori, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
TB Kari

Allied Ships
DD Merapi
PG Yarra, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD La Triomphant, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
AKA Edinburgh Victory, Shell hits 3, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Japanese Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Allied TF begins to get underway

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/29/2020 10:50:32 PM

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I have a question that might sound stupid or strange, presuming that the Japanese had good intelligence, why would they attack against such odds? Yes, you are occupying the territory but it is neither quick nor easy. Think if you had a human opponent!

Why climb Mount Everest?

Because it is THERE!

That said, I have yet to try a human opponent. Playing the Allies in this scenario just might give me a chance.

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/30/2020 11:43:13 AM

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June 10, 1942

Forced two stacks of 5 units each of Dutch defenders into the mountains, and are now moving southeast...

TF Mogami looked to bombard all the air strength at Tjilatjap, but runs into three enemy task forces...

Carrier Division 1&2 moves closer to Batavia and finds heavy cruisers and light cruisers...

Japanese fighter strength has recovered at Batavia, and for some strange reason there was only one moderate attack on the carriers, task force Mogami wasn't attacked in any strength and Zeroes from Batavia easily protected it while the damaged destroyers were neglected totally.

PS: Tjilatjap is only size 2 runway, seriously over stacked with 350 planes there.

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PS: Tjilatjap is only size 2 runway, seriously over stacked with 350 planes there.

That's not over stacked; that's a skyscraper!

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RE: Beware the Dorniers! Scen 17 Tier 3 (Lowpe vs AI (... - 6/30/2020 3:31:36 PM

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The airfields must be using a parking garage. Time for night bombing . . .

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