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space bar - 9/1/2020 2:29:26 AM   
goodwoodrw


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Status: offline 		The space bar in most CM games brought up the action menu am I missing something here? Also there are no short cut keys for movement etc

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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 7:41:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is no action menu. Action menu is in Close Combat series.

Short cut keys for movement etc. is listed on the buttons.


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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 8:55:46 AM   
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Short cut keys for movement etc. is listed on the buttons.


About the hotkeys, WASD (under any camera setting : default/RTS/FPS) Do not move my camera around.

When I check the hotkeys in that menu, it's a bit of a mess. Some of it isn't binded or things like Zoom in/out is binded on my ESC & TAB keys but when I press them nothing happens.

When I check the controls in the main menu I just got even more questions. It doesn't list what is binded and what isn't. And by the looks of it inputs are missing under the category Game Camera, RTS Camera and FPS camera. (I can make screenshots when I get back home from work tonight)

Apart from that what does work is my mouse controls, some keys do something like Space bar gives me a top down view from high above like a bird's eye view, the Arrow keys turn my camera around and make it look up and down)

I can work with the Mouse controls but I've always combined moving around with the camera through the keyboard and look up/down & left/right zooming in and out with the mouse so I'm always reaching for my WASD keys when I like to move my camera around in other strategy games.

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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 10:57:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		There seems to be a few things missing from the original CMSF, no short cut keys for movement or combat

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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 12:28:33 PM   
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There seems to be a few things missing from the original CMSF, no short cut keys for movement or combat



I don't really understand. Shortcuts are there. (I for quick movement, N for normal movement, etc.)

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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 12:55:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HunterICX


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Short cut keys for movement etc. is listed on the buttons.


About the hotkeys, WASD (under any camera setting : default/RTS/FPS) Do not move my camera around.

When I check the hotkeys in that menu, it's a bit of a mess. Some of it isn't binded or things like Zoom in/out is binded on my ESC & TAB keys but when I press them nothing happens.

When I check the controls in the main menu I just got even more questions. It doesn't list what is binded and what isn't. And by the looks of it inputs are missing under the category Game Camera, RTS Camera and FPS camera. (I can make screenshots when I get back home from work tonight)

Apart from that what does work is my mouse controls, some keys do something like Space bar gives me a top down view from high above like a bird's eye view, the Arrow keys turn my camera around and make it look up and down)

I can work with the Mouse controls but I've always combined moving around with the camera through the keyboard and look up/down & left/right zooming in and out with the mouse so I'm always reaching for my WASD keys when I like to move my camera around in other strategy games.


I had the same issue initially. There is a file called hotkeys.txt the contains the default bindings for the keyboad in STD/FPS/RTS modes. I found it in the <CMSF2 Folder>\UserData folder. You need to copy it to the <CMSF2 Folder>\Data folder and then your WASD keys should start working again.

HTH

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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 6:42:19 PM   
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The space bar in most CM games brought up the action menu am I missing something here? Also there are no short cut keys for movement etc



You need to have a unit/s selected first. Also, I've run into a graphic bug when deploying units in the editor where the menu only shows up when I mouse directly over it. Never had it happen outside of editor deployment.

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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 7:47:18 PM   
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I had the same issue initially. There is a file called hotkeys.txt the contains the default bindings for the keyboad in STD/FPS/RTS modes. I found it in the <CMSF2 Folder>\UserData folder. You need to copy it to the <CMSF2 Folder>\Data folder and then your WASD keys should start working again.

HTH


That did the trick! Thanks a lot mate!



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RE: space bar - 9/1/2020 11:08:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm glad that you were able to get it working!

I'm not sure why it isn't picking up the file in 'User Data'. I tried to put the HQS mod into the User Data\Mod folder and it didn't load it. I eventually had to setup JSGME for CMSF2 and have it manage a Z folder below Data for that and future mods. That works, but I'd like to find out why it isn't finding the mods in the User Data folder.

It is most likely a broken path, now just to find out what the correct path is....

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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 2:37:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Varangy, I don't have the letters coming on my action buttons.
Old Sarge, no Userdata folder appears in my route directory




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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 9:23:42 AM   
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Varangy, I don't have the letters coming on my action buttons.


Wow, I think this is a bug.

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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 9:25:09 AM   
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Old Sarge, no Userdata folder appears in my route directory



Might we worth trying to search for it using windows search 'userdata' or 'hotkeys.txt' , I've red whilst looking to troubleshoot my hotkeys problem that some had crazy installation issues where parts of the game where installed in the documents folder.







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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 10:17:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just wonder if Matrix Battlefront people are monitoring the board. new release for Matrix would have thought there would be.

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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 10:25:56 AM   
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Just wonder if Matrix Battlefront people are monitoring the board. new release for Matrix would have thought there would be.


They don't even monitor their own forum.

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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 12:07:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OldSarge

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ORIGINAL: HunterICX


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Short cut keys for movement etc. is listed on the buttons.


About the hotkeys, WASD (under any camera setting : default/RTS/FPS) Do not move my camera around.

When I check the hotkeys in that menu, it's a bit of a mess. Some of it isn't binded or things like Zoom in/out is binded on my ESC & TAB keys but when I press them nothing happens.

When I check the controls in the main menu I just got even more questions. It doesn't list what is binded and what isn't. And by the looks of it inputs are missing under the category Game Camera, RTS Camera and FPS camera. (I can make screenshots when I get back home from work tonight)

Apart from that what does work is my mouse controls, some keys do something like Space bar gives me a top down view from high above like a bird's eye view, the Arrow keys turn my camera around and make it look up and down)

I can work with the Mouse controls but I've always combined moving around with the camera through the keyboard and look up/down & left/right zooming in and out with the mouse so I'm always reaching for my WASD keys when I like to move my camera around in other strategy games.


I had the same issue initially. There is a file called hotkeys.txt the contains the default bindings for the keyboad in STD/FPS/RTS modes. I found it in the <CMSF2 Folder>\UserData folder. You need to copy it to the <CMSF2 Folder>\Data folder and then your WASD keys should start working again.

HTH

Dummy me got this working now, when said I couldn't find the above mentioned files, because I was looking at the route directory of the original game I still have install on my HD. Still a bit perplexed why there is a need to do this though.

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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 2:06:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: goodwoodrw


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ORIGINAL: OldSarge

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ORIGINAL: HunterICX


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Short cut keys for movement etc. is listed on the buttons.


About the hotkeys, WASD (under any camera setting : default/RTS/FPS) Do not move my camera around.

When I check the hotkeys in that menu, it's a bit of a mess. Some of it isn't binded or things like Zoom in/out is binded on my ESC & TAB keys but when I press them nothing happens.

When I check the controls in the main menu I just got even more questions. It doesn't list what is binded and what isn't. And by the looks of it inputs are missing under the category Game Camera, RTS Camera and FPS camera. (I can make screenshots when I get back home from work tonight)

Apart from that what does work is my mouse controls, some keys do something like Space bar gives me a top down view from high above like a bird's eye view, the Arrow keys turn my camera around and make it look up and down)

I can work with the Mouse controls but I've always combined moving around with the camera through the keyboard and look up/down & left/right zooming in and out with the mouse so I'm always reaching for my WASD keys when I like to move my camera around in other strategy games.


I had the same issue initially. There is a file called hotkeys.txt the contains the default bindings for the keyboad in STD/FPS/RTS modes. I found it in the <CMSF2 Folder>\UserData folder. You need to copy it to the <CMSF2 Folder>\Data folder and then your WASD keys should start working again.

HTH

Dummy me got this working now, when said I couldn't find the above mentioned files, because I was looking at the route directory of the original game I still have install on my HD. Still a bit perplexed why there is a need to do this though.


Glad to hear that you're back in business!

I haven't found the reason it is ignoring <CMSF2 Install>\User Data\Mods' yet either. I'm using the download version rather than Steam so my file paths may be different than it was expecting.

For the moment though, using '<CMSF2 Install>\Data\Z' does work I was able to get the HQS sound mod to work there.


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RE: space bar - 9/2/2020 11:48:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Me to, I using the Matrix DL version as well. Might register my steam key and see if happens there. It would be nice to get some official acknowledgement on this.

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RE: space bar - 9/3/2020 12:27:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just installed the Steam version no problems with menus and other keys. There must be installer problem with the Matrix version.

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RE: space bar - 9/3/2020 12:28:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Varangy once the files are copied over the space bar does bring up the menus. I have played most CM games since 1999 and I am sure all versions used the space bar to bring up the menu, might be wrong, over 20 years and many games.

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RE: space bar - 9/3/2020 6:28:17 AM   
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RE: space bar - 9/3/2020 6:35:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yer it's funny everyone uses the interface differently I have always used the space bar, for me it was like having my fingers cut off without it

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RE: space bar - 9/3/2020 8:44:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		^That's the same for me not able to use the WASD keys to move the camera around because pretty my whole library of strategy games I use the keyboard to move around on the maps and the mouse to look around (if it's 3D)it felt like my left arm was just useless meat I could chop off

Anyway glad I ran into that fix, it was driving me up the wall and now can finally start learning this game which I like so far.


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RE: space bar - 9/5/2020 1:38:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Steam version is exactly the same as the Bfc version, I have both.

Hitting the space bar while you have a unit selected will bring up a menu on the screen. I use it all the time when dealing with many units.

If you are not seeing actions in the UI, there are two explanations: 1) you do not have a unit selected; or 2) you are in the WEGO replay phase.

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RE: space bar - 9/6/2020 12:07:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		No not 100% correct, yes steam version works as intended. Matrix at least for me and one or two others, Space bar,WSAD and letters on command buttons don't work until above mentioned file is copied into the data folder file.

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RE: space bar - 9/6/2020 12:16:12 PM   
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RE: space bar - 9/6/2020 2:43:34 PM   
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RE: space bar - 9/6/2020 2:59:51 PM   
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RE: space bar - 9/6/2020 6:07:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Strange, I just did a Steam install of CMSF2, and the hotkeys.txt file is present under both Data and UserData and hotkeys / spacebar functioning normally.

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