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The US in on fire literally :( - 9/11/2020 6:49:53 PM   
MrsWargamer


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Status: offline 		This is not political, I'm posting to say, my thoughts are with all the schmucks dealing with this.

If not the hurricanes on the east coast and Gulf trashing everything, it's the fires on the west coast trashing everything.

Seeing entire towns burned down is beyond words to describe.

2020 has not been any friend to the US. Covid is salt in the wound.

I know of a great many friends who live in the US. I worry for you people south of the border. Hurricane season doesn't end until late November, and the fires are likely going to rage for some time as well.

I'd post an image I saw on the news, but you can find it easy enough. Half the US seems on fire.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/11/2020 7:26:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just saw a news report that said in California the majority of fires were set by a group of people on PURPOSE. Just saw the head line didnt't read the article.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/11/2020 8:09:58 PM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/11/2020 11:12:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I live near Eugene, Oregon and the fires are all around the state. The smoke is very dense here and visibility is less than a mile. It has been raining ash for the last few days. Check out this link of the fires and smoke coverage

https://data.statesmanjournal.com/fires/?fbclid=IwAR0BsXVbTqa9vKVOo9jHvLV_q62IIg88d10AiGPf2fSRmYxR4BVKTeJV66M


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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/11/2020 11:12:31 PM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/11/2020 11:26:27 PM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/11/2020 11:59:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lousy forest control over the past 50 years or more. It has to do with the way they manage the forest system with controlled burns and not allowing build up. Plus, maintenance on electrical wires according to what I heard has been deficient. Plus, increased population growth makes things even more treacherous. You have to control the forests.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 12:46:08 AM   
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Largest fire in SoCal started with a gender-reveal party pyrotechnic gone wrong;


Seriously, has anyone ever heard of a gender reveal party going well? In the best case scenario, you're stuck at an awkward event, forced to look at pictures of fetal genitalia and eat sticky sweet cake with sticky sweet buttercream frosting.

Worst case, you and the other guests are forced to endure some amateurish stunt and then flee for your lives from an out of control wildfire. This madness from attention craving parents-to-be needs to stop.


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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 1:01:12 AM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 2:01:42 AM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 4:15:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: demyansk

Lousy forest control over the past 50 years or more. It has to do with the way they manage the forest system with controlled burns and not allowing build up. Plus, maintenance on electrical wires according to what I heard has been deficient. Plus, increased population growth makes things even more treacherous. You have to control the forests.


So much this.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 4:37:27 AM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 7:44:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

I just saw a news report that said in California the majority of fires were set by a group of people on PURPOSE. Just saw the head line didnt't read the article.

Please use your brain. It's 2020 and so little of what you "read" is 100% true. Fake News
It started on Fakebook, no suprise and the FBI and local police are asking people to stop spreading rumours.Fake News


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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 8:32:03 AM   
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FBI Portland and local law enforcement agencies have been receiving reports that extremists are responsible for setting wildfires in Oregon. With our state and local partners, the FBI has investigated several such reports and found them to be untrue. Conspiracy theories and misinformation take valuable resources away local fire and police agencies working around the clock to bring these fires under control. Please help our entire community by only sharing validated information from official sources.


However, I'm sure in certain mindsets this means that it's the FBI starting the fires.

Personally, I've been dealing with stinging eyes and a scratchy throat, but at least I haven't had to evacuate yet.


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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 10:06:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pvt_Grunt


quote:

ORIGINAL: Twotribes

I just saw a news report that said in California the majority of fires were set by a group of people on PURPOSE. Just saw the head line didnt't read the article.

Please use your brain. It's 2020 and so little of what you "read" is 100% true. Fake News
It started on Fakebook, no suprise and the FBI and local police are asking people to stop spreading rumours.Fake News



Here in Portugal we also have a lot of wildfires every year.
People always tell that most are set by people. I hear this story for 40 years. It's a common belief, a myth.
There's a fire, then someone must have set it up. (sigh)

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 9:59:21 PM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 10:32:15 PM   
Nami Koshino


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Status: offline 		Pretty dramatic photo Aurelian . Spooky how it resembles a mushroom-shaped cloud laid on its side.

I'm so hoping for rain on Monday. I've had enough of living in the Mordor Corridor to last me a while.



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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 10:37:45 PM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 11:12:36 PM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/12/2020 11:27:34 PM   
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Pretty dramatic photo Aurelian . Spooky how it resembles a mushroom-shaped cloud laid on its side.

I'm so hoping for rain on Monday. I've had enough of living in the Mordor Corridor to last me a while.




Looks like the gateway to Hell.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/13/2020 12:26:57 AM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/13/2020 12:37:05 AM   
RangerJoe


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Status: offline 		It should seed clouds. Now to get moisture into the smoke.

Think if a Hurricane or a tropical storm met that smoke.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/13/2020 1:58:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Pvt_Grunt


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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

I just saw a news report that said in California the majority of fires were set by a group of people on PURPOSE. Just saw the head line didnt't read the article.

Please use your brain. It's 2020 and so little of what you "read" is 100% true. Fake News
It started on Fakebook, no suprise and the FBI and local police are asking people to stop spreading rumours.Fake News



So true Pvt Grunt, in January this year during our Southern Hemisphere bushfire season I was was a part of an online 3 day discussion group, on bushfire, global warming etc etc, going into this discussion I was at the belief that 80% of the fires burning in Victoria and NSW were deliberately lit. Oh how wrong I was. The moderator of the group pointed out several facts supported by many reliable sources of information to disprove my beliefs. Interestingly about 93% of all fires were started naturally and the other 7% by fire bugs and carelessness(stupidity and clumsiness), and most of those fires deliberately lit were extinguished in the 30 to 60 minutes after being lit. Newspapers and TV news are very quick to report on deliberate fires, they do report on natural fires too, but gloss over the true but uninteresting facts. I suspect that most the fires in California are naturally lit fires. Fire Services in California and other like places in the USA, like the Australian Eastern Seaboard have been fighting fires caused by lightening strikes for well over 100 years, well before Global Warming appeared on the scene, but I'm sure the manner that News Services have reported fires hasn't changed much in that time. About 17 years ago I left city life for a country life style, 2 floods, 3 major bushfires and a half a dozen less threatening fires later, I aint going to leave this beautiful area of Australia, I feel deeply for those people in the fire areas in The U.S. and wish them well. For the truth forget the News Services, the most reliable info comes from the Fire and Forestry Services web and information bulletins. Stay safe all.


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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/17/2020 2:44:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Smoke is bad enough in BC, that Canada post took a day off from mail delivery because of it.
I'm sure it is a major health problem in the relevant US states.
Smoke is managing to get all the way to Norther Ontario.

Meanwhile mother nature has several storms/hurricanes headed towards the US coast. The current one was nasty.

The human cost is high enough already. The economic cost would be very high even without covid.
It just seems like each year for the last few has been trying to outdo the previous.
Is there anywhere in the US that isn't getting beaten up my nature?

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/17/2020 2:57:17 AM   
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Is there anywhere in the US that isn't getting beaten up my nature?


Come up to the peaceful Brooks Range of Alaska where social distancing has always been in vogue. (just don't do it in the dead of winter)



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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/17/2020 4:35:47 AM   
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Is there anywhere in the US that isn't getting beaten up my nature?


Come up to the peaceful Brooks Range of Alaska where social distancing has always been in vogue. (just don't do it in the dead of winter)





A nice rack there. Are you allowed to harvest that? If so, take them off and mount them to hold a board for a shelf.

Yes, there are other places where the weather has not been too bad.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/17/2020 6:24:02 AM   
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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/17/2020 9:46:09 AM   
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Please avoid political discussion and misinformation on our forums. Our thoughts go out to those affected by the wildfires, and I hope you are staying safe during these trying times.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/17/2020 12:13:08 PM   
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Hello All,

Please avoid political discussion and misinformation on our forums. Our thoughts go out to those affected by the wildfires, and I hope you are staying safe during these trying times.


Thank you.

Yes, I am staying safe. Take care yourself.

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RE: The US in on fire literally :( - 9/17/2020 1:04:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Technically only 12 states out of 50 have fires burning. So its not like 50% of the USA is on fire, I know we also had the double hurricane, but where I live the only issue we have is the same old issue with the algae in Lake Erie.

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