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Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/15/2020 3:59:54 AM   
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Is this a record for rebuilds & role-changes, both in peace and war?

1941 - Laid down as SS Steel Artisan, a C3SA1 cargo vessel, at Western Pipe & Steel, launched 27 September 41...

Requisitioned, to be converted to Bogue class AVG-7 USS Barnes, The hull was towed to the Mare Island Naval Shipyard on October 10th 1941 for conversion.

AVG 7 was reallocated to the United Kingdom on 1 March 1942 (per DANFS - wikipedia is wrong).

Redesignated BACV 7 on 20 August 1942, then on 30 September 1942, commissioned HMS Attacker, then ...

Yarded for conversion, carried out at Burrards (BC), and modified for RN convoy escort role, which she carries out until October 1943

Yarded for further conversion work at Caledon Shipbuilding, Dundee, involving the installation of communications and combat operational facilities, together with increased crew facilities, an emerges in assault carrier configuration - meaning she carries only one type of aircraft (in this case #879 Sqn FAA Seafires) and dispenses with search/ASW activities.

Serves in the Mediterranean and Pacific theatres 1943-1945

January 1946, returned to the USN (query ever recommissioned/renamed?) struck from service February 1946.

1947 - sold to National Bulk Carriers, war service fittings stripped off (including flight deck} at Newport News, ... work suspended...

1950 - purchased by Navcot, intended use as a cargo ship, renamed Castel Forte

1957 - transferred to Sitmar Line, and taken back to the yard at Bethlehem Steel, and later Genoa, for conversion to a passenger liner, after which she operated mainly as a migrant transport from the UK to the antipodes until 1974, named Fairsky.

1974-77 operates as a cruise ship

1977 holed in an "operational" accident, to use AE terminolgy (hit a wreck) and beached; not economically repairable

1978 sold to ???? and converted to a floating hotel/casino (static role) and re-named Philippine Tourist;

1979 - damaged by fire, and subsequently scrapped.

I count at least 6 role changes requiring yard conversions, or total rebuilding, and some 6 name changes*.

(*although for the brief period she was back in USN hands in early 1946 - not sure about the naming, because CVE-20 used the name Barnes, DANFS does not have anything, but the RN archive page says she reverted from her RN pennant D02 to CVE-7 on hand-back. Navsource states the re-designation from D02 to CVE-7 was on 15 July 1943- I suspect that was for the purpose of USN records, and accorded with the general AVG -> CVE change at that time.)

Interesting trivia points:

- Australia's first female PM, Julia Gillard, traveled to Australia on the Fairsky when her family emigrated from Wales in 1966.

- in stock scen 1, #879 Sqn FAA is a Canadian nationality unit (database slot 1900). I am not sure why - it appears to have formed in the UK, with British & some Commonwealth personnel - RNZNVR pilots.
Someone must have better info on this than me. Attacker also carried aircraft from 809 & 886 squadrons, for periods in 1944. #809 is in AE, on HMS Stalker; #886 is not.

- As HMS Attacker in the Mediterranean theatre, she was commanded by Captain Harold Farncomb, RAN, who more lately had a Collins class submarine named in his honour.
After that posting, he returned to the Pacific as a Commodore, and later Rear Admiral, commanding HMA fleet.
Farncomb, H.B., appears in leader slot 9632 in stock scen 1. Perhaps he ought to be given an air rating greater than 30, so you can use the merger work around to put him in charge of a CVE group.

The best history on line is here:

RN Archive Link

I hope forumites will find this discussion interesting, and that it has been a productive use of covid lockdown time.

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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 4:03:12 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 4:04:10 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 4:04:47 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 4:23:35 AM   
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The first not-Australian reader to correctly identify the building on the point off Fairsky's port side will be deserving of a prize.

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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 4:34:36 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 4:36:12 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 4:58:54 AM   
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TSS Fairsky




I cheated by doing this and I can see the name of the building. However, about the only building that I can immediately identify in Australia is this one. How often does this happeng?




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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 6:20:31 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 6:31:39 AM   
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Very interesting informations about that ship, Ian R. I would never have expected a CVE to have such a long and varied life post-war.

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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 7:44:04 AM   
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PM me a paypal email to receive your prize, being some beer money!

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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 7:51:25 AM   
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Looks like the photo was taken during a bushfirey summer


Looking at the sunlight coming in low from the nor-east, the other possibility is a foggy winter morning.

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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 10:27:39 AM   
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Well done Ambassador.

PM me a paypal email to receive your prize, being some beer money!

Well, an obviously massive building under construction at the latest in the early 70’s, at the end of a peninsular body in Sydney, it wasn’t hard.

No paypal account, I’ll consider you sent it and drink a beer to your health.

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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 12:26:53 PM   
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Well done Ambassador.

PM me a paypal email to receive your prize, being some beer money!

Well, an obviously massive building under construction at the latest in the early 70’s, at the end of a peninsular body in Sydney, it wasn’t hard.

No paypal account, I’ll consider you sent it and drink a beer to your health.


You are indeed honourable, I shall do likewise. Q'plah!

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/15/2020 1:10:26 PM   
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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/15/2020 1:40:09 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.


Well, Q'plah to you too. If offered (legal) drugs, I suggest acceptance.



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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/15/2020 4:15:56 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

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RE: Is this a record? - 9/15/2020 5:52:52 PM   
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Well done Ambassador.

PM me a paypal email to receive your prize, being some beer money!

Well, an obviously massive building under construction at the latest in the early 70’s, at the end of a peninsular body in Sydney, it wasn’t hard.

No paypal account, I’ll consider you sent it and drink a beer to your health.


You are indeed honourable, I shall do likewise. Q'plah!

We will meet and share drinks in the halls of Sto-vo-kor... one day.

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/15/2020 5:59:29 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

Even to Belgium : two Flower-class corvettes (HMS Godetia and HMS Buttercup) and three minesweepers (HMS Phrontis, HMS Kernot, and HMS Elektra II).

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/16/2020 12:51:42 AM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.


The "Rs" thread had some more detail on that - agree that crews were one contributor, but also the four old ladies, which had not received a late 1930s/early 40s reconstruction because... war... were worn out and it was not worth refittng them. 0ne was loaned to the Soviets, and two were decommissioned although they canabalised those to get Ramilles operational as a gunfire support ship for Overlord. They also brought the Warspite back into service for the same task, although not fully repaired (Y turret was inoperable).

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/16/2020 2:38:09 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/16/2020 2:32:32 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

Even to Belgium : two Flower-class corvettes (HMS Godetia and HMS Buttercup) and three minesweepers (HMS Phrontis, HMS Kernot, and HMS Elektra II).

One must wonder how the crew felt about serving on 'Buttercup', not exactly a fighting name.....

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/16/2020 3:28:01 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

Even to Belgium : two Flower-class corvettes (HMS Godetia and HMS Buttercup) and three minesweepers (HMS Phrontis, HMS Kernot, and HMS Elektra II).

One must wonder how the crew felt about serving on 'Buttercup', not exactly a fighting name.....



Except for stress relief.* I mean, think of how many bar fights started when someone insulted the ship.

*Stress => the inability to choke the shyte out of someone who so desperately needs it.

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/16/2020 4:57:24 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

Even to Belgium : two Flower-class corvettes (HMS Godetia and HMS Buttercup) and three minesweepers (HMS Phrontis, HMS Kernot, and HMS Elektra II).

One must wonder how the crew felt about serving on 'Buttercup', not exactly a fighting name.....



Except for stress relief.* I mean, think of how many bar fights started when someone insulted the ship.

*Stress => the inability to choke the shyte out of someone who so desperately needs it.

Julius Caesar said we were the bravest of all the Gauls (maybe because we were the wildest and least civilized). Our ferocity makes up for the names !

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/16/2020 5:05:57 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

Even to Belgium : two Flower-class corvettes (HMS Godetia and HMS Buttercup) and three minesweepers (HMS Phrontis, HMS Kernot, and HMS Elektra II).

One must wonder how the crew felt about serving on 'Buttercup', not exactly a fighting name.....



Except for stress relief.* I mean, think of how many bar fights started when someone insulted the ship.

*Stress => the inability to choke the shyte out of someone who so desperately needs it.

Julius Caesar said we were the bravest of all the Gauls (maybe because we were the wildest and least civilized). Our ferocity makes up for the names !


maybe your ancestors caused more casualties so he needed an excuse.

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/16/2020 5:15:19 PM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

Even to Belgium : two Flower-class corvettes (HMS Godetia and HMS Buttercup) and three minesweepers (HMS Phrontis, HMS Kernot, and HMS Elektra II).

One must wonder how the crew felt about serving on 'Buttercup', not exactly a fighting name.....


But it would fit in with the "Princess Line" ships.

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/17/2020 3:47:44 AM   
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The RN was building more ships than it could man. Canada took over CVEs Puncher and Nabob, fully Canadian crews and I believe the captains were Canadian too. No time to check that out now - leaving for a dental appointment.

The RN also gave ships to the Polish navy, and put their older BBs into reserve to free up crews.

Even to Belgium : two Flower-class corvettes (HMS Godetia and HMS Buttercup) and three minesweepers (HMS Phrontis, HMS Kernot, and HMS Elektra II).

One must wonder how the crew felt about serving on 'Buttercup', not exactly a fighting name.....



Whenever the HMS Nigella pops up in AE I think of rich meat dishes & creamy pudding.

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I particularly laughed at HMS Spanker.

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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/17/2020 9:54:20 AM   
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RE: Is this a record? And a trivia question. - 9/17/2020 12:07:05 PM   
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I found this some times ago.

I particularly laughed at HMS Spanker.


I thought that the slave trade was over by the dates listed here:

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HMS Black Joke

No subtlety lost on this Anti-Slave trade vessel, captured by the Royal Navy from Brazil. After commissioning into the Royal Navy, she went on to capture 13 slave carrying vessels and free over 4080 slaves. Having been launched in 1924, she was sadly ordered burnt by the Admiralty in 1932 as her timbers had become so rotten she was no longer fit for purpose. A rather unfitting end for a ship with such a successful history.


If those are errors, then it is difficult for me to trust that site.

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