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Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/15/2020 8:02:47 AM   
AtParmentier

 

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I have a question on Device 1467 [Sound detector (J)].
In the 2010 version of scen 1 and 2 this device doesn't link to a radar upgrade like it does in Andy Mac's patches (2012).
I found two threads about this issue, but I would like to have confirmation that the lack of link between device 1467 to 1468 [Ta-chi 13] was intentional or was because of a mistake.

I'm talking about the pre Andy Mac patch. I'm asking this for information on a ongoing PBEM, as the opponent doesn't want to use Andy Mac's 2012 patch as this patch also decreases armour on several allied LCU's.



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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/15/2020 8:41:42 AM   
jdsrae


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Status: offline 		Only a dev would be able to answer for sure, but from reading the reference at this link I take it as intentional as there is no mention of radars in the airfield battalions.
https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japan/IJA/HB/HB-4.html#II

4. SERVICE UNITS IN JAPANESE ARMY AIR FORCES. a. Air sector headquarters (Koku Chiku Shireibu). Presumably this organization is the highest level in the command of the service units in the Japanese Army Air Forces. It is assumed that each air brigade has an air sector headquarters responsible for all administration, fuel supplies, ground stores, and aircraft maintenance. This organization is comparable with the Air Service Command in the United States Army Air Forces.

b. Airfield battalion (Hikojo Daitai). This unit is a component and subsidiary unit of the air sector headquarters. Its function is to perform ground duties for an air regiment. The organization is three-fold; an aircraft maintenance unit, a guards section, and a supply section. The maintenance section's chief function is aircraft maintenance, while the supply section is responsible for maintaining supplies and transporting them from dumps to the airfields. The purpose of the guard section is to relieve the infantry troops from the duty of protecting airfields.

c. Airfield companies (Hikojo Chutai). These units are subordinate to the air sector headquarters and perform the same function as an airfield battalion, but on a smaller scale.

d. Field airfield construction units (Yasen Hikojo Setteitai). It is known that these units do exist, but little is known of their function or organization. It is assumed that as the name implies, their principal function would be airfield construction.

e. Field air repair depots (Yasen Koku Shurisho). It is assumed that these units are organized to do third or fourth echelon aircraft repair work. Information indicates that this organization has several units or branches which make minor aircraft repairs in the forward areas.

f. Air signal regiments or units (Koku Tsushin Rentai or Tai). Signal requirements of the operational units are handled presumably by air signal regiments, air signal units, or air signal companies. Although these units exist, little information relative to their organization is known.

g. Navigational aid regiments (Kosuku Rentai). These are believed to operate control beacons, direction-finding stations, etc., and are believed to be attached to the air sector headquarters.

h. Mobile air repair section (Ido Koku Shurihan). Some of these units are known to exist, and it is assumed that they are equipped with mobile machine shops to make repairs to damaged aircraft.

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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/15/2020 8:50:54 AM   
AtParmentier

 

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Status: offline 		The thing is the equivalent JNAF units do have an upgrade path. If they had a similar set-up, I would expect the radar upgrade to happen in the JAAF units also.
I think the sound detector in the JAAF airfield Bn is part of (f) in your message.

I hope a developer could help me out here.

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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/15/2020 2:04:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 2012 change is a deliberate change.

Alfred

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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/15/2020 2:54:48 PM   
AtParmentier

 

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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/20/2020 12:53:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		It was a deliberate change as Alfred said but it was a compromise which is not ideal.

japanese production basically means as soon as a device is available its produced so on day 1 every Japanese base force that had a SD now has a radar.

I had originally set it so only some base forces had the radar upgrade and the devices didnt auto upgrade to each other but their were too many howls from frustrated Japanese players that radar was sooo limited that we changed it - not ideal either way - either you make radar too available too early or you restrict choice as to where the radar goes.

There is no 'right answer' as we are stuck with the way Japanese production works I would have preferred too have done it differently and did have a solution but it was too late for th epatch so we ended up with this solutuion

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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/20/2020 1:17:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		One possible solution would be to change the date when the unlimited production comes in but have reinforcements come in with only so many devices then disband a few days later. Some radar sets would then be available BUT there would not be an unlimited number. Only so many in a replacement every month or so.

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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/20/2020 1:38:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

One possible solution would be to change the date when the unlimited production comes in but have reinforcements come in with only so many devices then disband a few days later. Some radar sets would then be available BUT there would not be an unlimited number. Only so many in a replacement every month or so.


It isn't that simple.

Unlike Andy Mac, I'm not at liberty to go into the full details of the dev discussion whereas Andy has more freedom to determine where the disclosure boundaries lie.

Suffice to say that TOE structure is intimately involved in the issue. A "better" compromise on "radars" opens up a can of worms elsewhere. Hence the 2012 change was a deliberate change with the least worst overall outcome.

Alfred

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RE: Question on Japanese Radar in scen 2 2010 version - 9/25/2020 11:23:59 AM   
AtParmentier

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks a lot for the information.

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