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correct training mission for air skill? - 9/27/2020 4:28:15 AM   
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Maybe there is a thread somewhere, lots of focus on TrainCom.
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Pilot training; picking the right mission for skills training.
I am not clear on what should be done. Lot of assumptions made.
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1-Exp: A cumulative Experience rating; does altitude matter? or one generic rating?
2-Air: Not sure what this is; perhaps offensive air to air combat?
3-NavB; Naval Bombing; Train for Naval Attack with Using Bombs; does altitude matter?
4-NavT: Naval Torpedo Attack; Train for Naval Attack with Using Torpedoes if capable; does altitude matter?
5-NavS; Naval Search; does altitude matter?
6-Recn: Recon; ; does altitude matter?
7-Tran: Assume Transport? Patrol can transport but there is no appropriate training selection. HB do. Playing Guadalcanal scenario, there are no C47s.
8-GrdB; Ground bombing. Does Airfield Attack, Port Attack, and/or Ground Attack all work to this end?
9-LowN; Low Naval? What is Low? below 5000 or other? Train for Naval Attack at whatever Low is?
10-LowG; Low Ground? What is Low; below 5000 or other? Train for Naval Attack at whatever Low is?
11-Staf; Assume Strafing at 100 feet?; Train for Airfied/Port/Ground at 100 or Sweep at 100?
12-Defn: Assume Defensive air-to air skill for when attacked. Not sure what to train for to improve this other than surviving combat.

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/27/2020 4:41:35 AM   
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I'm fed up with producing answer after answer on questions which are adequately covered in the manual anyway and many, many forum threads. Nor are we talking about prehistoric threads. Plus for someone who regales us with their expertise in classical WITP, on what basis do you believe there is a difference between it and AE.

Show us the parts of the manual which are unclear and guidance will be forthcoming from someone. Completely new players to AE, which you aren't with your regularly stated extensive classical WITP experience, are very lucky that there is no paid game assistance line. Try getting Microsoft, or Norton, or McAfee et al to provide 24/7 free customer support on their software products.

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/27/2020 7:07:17 AM   
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No.
Yes.
Yes.
No.
No.
No.
Question is ?
Yes.
Check the FAQ/Beginners thread.
Same.
Yes.
Continue training.

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/27/2020 1:28:15 PM   
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Whys so many questions? The answer to the title is Air at 100% and 0 range

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/27/2020 3:18:38 PM   
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Answering Alfred 9/28/20
-In WITP, the only training mission is training. There is only one pilot experience, AE introduced subset skills. In WITP you can put a a P36 air group on the west coast on training for a year, 360 turns, and experience will only increase 0, 1 or 2 points from its initial low 50s. However if you bomb an unoccupied island, experience will increase automatically by 1 point every day if below 70. Often a IJN player will want a house rule to prohibit bombing of empty bases. However their Fighters can find a weak enemy base (such as China) to ground attack for experience whereas early Allied fighter lack the range to reach an IJN base.
-AE Replenish TF missions does not work in WITP, to resupply bombardment TFs at sea for USN beginning 1945. This was fixed in AE in an update around year 6 (2015). There are many things 'broken' in WITP. and many weaknesses a player can exploit. Assume many things were addressed in AE, although much more complexity was added as well, such as pilot experience subset, altitude bands, etc. Explanations of the latter are in the forum, not the manual.

Regarding my question
10-LowG; Low Ground? What is Low; below 5000 or other? Train for Naval Attack at whatever Low is?
Doing a search of the pdf manual for the term ' LowG ' or 'LowG' yields nothing
Doing a search of the pdf manual for the term ' Low ' or ' low ' yields:
p85 low maneuverability
p92 low fuel
p93 low 'illegible note'
p96 low fuel
p106 low fuel
p141 TB low on water
p150 low detection
p160 low morale
p174 low durability
p197 low fatique
p209 low 'illegible note'
p215 low supply
p245 regarding AR ship
p251 low supply
p309 low priority
p314 low replacement

so from the manual I cannot answer my opponent's question; I cannot answer what LowG is or what Low altitude is [100, 5000 and less, etc]. I will next spend too much of my free time to look at the forum Beginners guide [instead of working on AE and Vassal pbem turns]. I will not advise him to 'read the manual' or ask the forum. It is not explained in the manual, and finding something in the random thousands of forum posts may prove discouraging his interest. The hobby is small enough as it is.

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/27/2020 3:34:36 PM   
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Get this through your head: WITP is not WITP:AE.

Read the manual, look up what the updates have done, read threads and see what the solutions are.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4726264

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/27/2020 8:48:45 PM   
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I’m not sure someone who can’t be bothered enough to do a simple search on the forum is the kind of player ready to play for a whole game... wga8888, the manual is out of date on certain things, the developers have improved/tweaked the game for years, to fix problems and enhance gameplay, but the manual really is mandatory reading for someone wanting to play the game.

If you do a search on the forum (preferably with google), you’ll get the answer on your « what’s LowG/LowN ceiling » in a couple minutes. Hint : Alfred addressed it not too long ago.

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/28/2020 12:08:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

I’m not sure someone who can’t be bothered enough to do a simple search on the forum is the kind of player ready to play for a whole game... wga8888, the manual is out of date on certain things, the developers have improved/tweaked the game for years, to fix problems and enhance gameplay, but the manual really is mandatory reading for someone wanting to play the game.

If you do a search on the forum (preferably with google), you’ll get the answer on your « what’s LowG/LowN ceiling » in a couple minutes. Hint : Alfred addressed it not too long ago.


Believe me, it is even worse and why I'm fed up with this individual.

On 4 July 2020, in this very same sub-forum ie the War Room, wga8888 opened one of his typical threads whose rambling covered altitudes, torpedoes/bombs et al. After several respondents had posted, on 10 July I posted a definitive answer on the low/non low altitude settings for level bombers which are the aircraft type with the most complicated variations. Other aircraft types follow the rules much more simply. After 3 failed attempts to get the formatting right, but with the data still readable, Shellshock kindly converted successfully on 11 July the data I provided into an easily read chart.

Bottom line. Although I already knew the answer, it took me quite a few hours of work to research the issue so that I did not provide incorrect information, and of course to format it into a chart (which lost it's formatting when transferred to the forum). I don't know how long it took Shellshock to tidy up the format but even if it took him only a couple of minutes his time and effort is also not to be overlooked. It is obvious that even when already answered in his own threads, wga8888 is incapable of understanding answers. I have no intention of participating in his Groundhog Day.

Alfred

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/28/2020 12:20:39 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

I’m not sure someone who can’t be bothered enough to do a simple search on the forum is the kind of player ready to play for a whole game... wga8888, the manual is out of date on certain things, the developers have improved/tweaked the game for years, to fix problems and enhance gameplay, but the manual really is mandatory reading for someone wanting to play the game.

If you do a search on the forum (preferably with google), you’ll get the answer on your « what’s LowG/LowN ceiling » in a couple minutes. Hint : Alfred addressed it not too long ago.


Believe me, it is even worse and why I'm fed up with this individual.

On 4 July 2020, in this very same sub-forum ie the War Room, wga8888 opened one of his typical threads whose rambling covered altitudes, torpedoes/bombs et al. After several respondents had posted, on 10 July I posted a definitive answer on the low/non low altitude settings for level bombers which are the aircraft type with the most complicated variations. Other aircraft types follow the rules much more simply. After 3 failed attempts to get the formatting right, but with the data still readable, Shellshock kindly converted successfully on 11 July the data I provided into an easily read chart.

Bottom line. Although I already knew the answer, it took me quite a few hours of work to research the issue so that I did not provide incorrect information, and of course to format it into a chart (which lost it's formatting when transferred to the forum). I don't know how long it took Shellshock to tidy up the format but even if it took him only a couple of minutes his time and effort is also not to be overlooked. It is obvious that even when already answered in his own threads, wga8888 is incapable of understanding answers. I have no intention of participating in his Groundhog Day.

Alfred


And I appreciate it, I have it copied to my info file.

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/28/2020 12:22:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nomad


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

I’m not sure someone who can’t be bothered enough to do a simple search on the forum is the kind of player ready to play for a whole game... wga8888, the manual is out of date on certain things, the developers have improved/tweaked the game for years, to fix problems and enhance gameplay, but the manual really is mandatory reading for someone wanting to play the game.

If you do a search on the forum (preferably with google), you’ll get the answer on your « what’s LowG/LowN ceiling » in a couple minutes. Hint : Alfred addressed it not too long ago.


Believe me, it is even worse and why I'm fed up with this individual.

On 4 July 2020, in this very same sub-forum ie the War Room, wga8888 opened one of his typical threads whose rambling covered altitudes, torpedoes/bombs et al. After several respondents had posted, on 10 July I posted a definitive answer on the low/non low altitude settings for level bombers which are the aircraft type with the most complicated variations. Other aircraft types follow the rules much more simply. After 3 failed attempts to get the formatting right, but with the data still readable, Shellshock kindly converted successfully on 11 July the data I provided into an easily read chart.

Bottom line. Although I already knew the answer, it took me quite a few hours of work to research the issue so that I did not provide incorrect information, and of course to format it into a chart (which lost it's formatting when transferred to the forum). I don't know how long it took Shellshock to tidy up the format but even if it took him only a couple of minutes his time and effort is also not to be overlooked. It is obvious that even when already answered in his own threads, wga8888 is incapable of understanding answers. I have no intention of participating in his Groundhog Day.

Alfred


And I appreciate it, I have it copied to my info file.


Alfred, I remember that.

Joe.

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RE: correct training mission for air skill? - 9/28/2020 5:45:10 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

I’m not sure someone who can’t be bothered enough to do a simple search on the forum is the kind of player ready to play for a whole game... wga8888, the manual is out of date on certain things, the developers have improved/tweaked the game for years, to fix problems and enhance gameplay, but the manual really is mandatory reading for someone wanting to play the game.

If you do a search on the forum (preferably with google), you’ll get the answer on your « what’s LowG/LowN ceiling » in a couple minutes. Hint : Alfred addressed it not too long ago.


Believe me, it is even worse and why I'm fed up with this individual.

On 4 July 2020, in this very same sub-forum ie the War Room, wga8888 opened one of his typical threads whose rambling covered altitudes, torpedoes/bombs et al. After several respondents had posted, on 10 July I posted a definitive answer on the low/non low altitude settings for level bombers which are the aircraft type with the most complicated variations. Other aircraft types follow the rules much more simply. After 3 failed attempts to get the formatting right, but with the data still readable, Shellshock kindly converted successfully on 11 July the data I provided into an easily read chart.

Bottom line. Although I already knew the answer, it took me quite a few hours of work to research the issue so that I did not provide incorrect information, and of course to format it into a chart (which lost it's formatting when transferred to the forum). I don't know how long it took Shellshock to tidy up the format but even if it took him only a couple of minutes his time and effort is also not to be overlooked. It is obvious that even when already answered in his own threads, wga8888 is incapable of understanding answers. I have no intention of participating in his Groundhog Day.

Alfred

Yep, that’s the thread I remembered, I too copied the table. But I forgot it was the same OP.

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