Slitherine

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Oh not going to explode at all, nor am I going to abandon the AAR (or this PBEM) as I'm not reading the posts of the two guys anymore anyways. All has been said, oppinions have been settled. On one side it's copy paste that has yet to play the game (never heard any different, so if he has -> great!)

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and one more guy seem to think it's all lousy play of the IJ and even more so of the Allied player while himself not showing all that much brilliancy but applauding other players for doing the exact same as Mundy does (but only when it works).

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People always talk about the unstoppable Death Star and they have been doing so for a decade now. But everyone is always talking about the Allied Death Star. Now what we have seen in this campaign was always an IJN Death Star meeting Allied carrier groups and everytime it was totally one sided. I've kept every damn carrier (including all CVEs and even Hosho) together. EVERY TIME. And every time right from the start the Allied had less carriers, less carrier based aircraft. Every time it was a disaster. His available carriers in 42 met KB, boom. He came with 800 carrier based aircraft for the Marianas (the usual Allied player doesn't even bring that much in 43) and met super KB, boom. Not much left in terms of carriers so he wanted to cut off the whole IJA (way over 10,000 av!) in India by taking Calcutta with an insanely big invasion. What happened? He met super KB! Boom. Three incidents that have lead to bloodbaths. KB not at Truk in 43 and not at Singapore in 44 and the whole game would look different. But of course, Mundy is called unexperienced because playing for over a decade doesn't mean anything and I have no clue either because I don't even know the basics of this game. Good laugh, best laugh, not commenting on that anymore.

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In this game Mundy's operations are belittled while other players doing the exact same are applauded. Examples:

He did a forward defense. Great! People on the forum applaud Allied players for forward defense because literally every time the Japanese player freaks out when a couple of ground troops pop up at some place in 42 that you can simply bypass. I really just don't care about forward Allied defense in 42 because if you can't break it or hinder the enemy from reinforcing or holding areas you actually need then it's usually not brilliancy of the Allied player but flawed Japanese moves. IJ in 42 is like the Allied in late 44, you have everything you need, more and better aircraft, carriers, ships and a hell a lot of ground troops. You lose in 42? Your own fault, when you outnumbered them 5:1. When it comes down to the overall effect on the game I'm a big fan of a Sir Robin, but for the fireworks in the game and the AARs Allied players tended to do a lot of crazy stuff over the years as it just started to become boring I guess. He was feeding troops into Rabaul, I've just thought he can bring as much as he wants, all will be destroyed. He feeded troops into Port Blair, the same. Rinse and repeat. Keep belittling him for doing so, if he had moved everything India to Bombay with 1 mio supplies guess what! If he had moved everything in the South Pacific to Townsville with 1 mio supplies guess what! If I would have operated three IJN carrier groups all over the map (seems standard IJ gameplay) guess what!

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Major invasions. I've yet to see someone else to do an as big invasion as Mundy did at Calcutta. Yes, he made a fault there as his 12,000 av couldn't break the defense of level 9!! forts at Calcutta. Make your bets how many IJ players have level 9 forts at Calcutta or how many players would expect all those Allied troops with superior firepower not wear down the defense in two or three attacks. I wouldn't have bet on my defense when I realized what he has brought. It wasn't like "oh, what an easy victory ahead of us" when that Armada popped up in the Bay of Bengal. Neither was I expecting a landing there. Why? Because it was just too risky as super KB was fully intact and even growing with every carrier that was commissioned the last months! You don't know where Super KB is, you shouldn't invade. Anybody noticed already when I've said that we have built ALL carriers but Shinano already? But then we are going to reach 45 without anymore Allied invasion until he can muster at least 2000 Allied carrier based ac.

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There were a couple of Allied operations I didn't understand (I've never had a game where this wouldn't be true) but like the invasion of Luzon you mentioned in his other ongoing game, he would have succeeded if I had KB at Truk, Japan or wherever else not able to steam into the Bay of Bengal. So blame him for attacking without knowing the whereabouts of Super KB. And blame me for not being the usual IJ player that either loses his carriers early on or keep using them to raid a couple of empty freighters somewhere in the South Pacific just because it is fun.

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The way our brilliant Admirals are rating it it's more like super dork facing mega noob while I have yet to see them doing great or even playing the game. To each his own and like I've said, oppinions have been made and settled. Do I care? Not really, nah, not at all, because there are hundreds of combat reports in this AAR already and many more to follow with all the detail people need to have an oppinion of their own.

The most exciting and amusing to me though is that those guys really think the game has no flaws anymore, everything is working perfectly. But they can't make it work either when they actually show combat reports of their games (if they play the game).

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ORIGINAL: 29000Kevin

Sees the wall of text

Ah this will be good

Reads...


1-6 points...
I've been hooked..
5 years of unpaid work...
"Fake news"...
Anyone with a half brain...
Copy paste summarys...
misrepresentation...


Okay I've read, thanks for being concerned with me getting misinformed by CT.

Now for your information I've been lurking here for 5 months before officially joining 1 month ago, so I've seen more than just CT's AAR, I've seen you and mind_messing everywhere in the forum.

I've seen your wise comments on the in and outs of the game on every major AAR their ever is and I know your a talented person on the subject of WitP:AE.

Now to address the points highlighted.

---That's a lot of information of real life aviation along with programming, thanks for dragging my brain through that maze of thought.

--- I can say I've been hooked onto the CT thoughts, the only main point I've been connected two was the mysterious uber 3 B-29 that just flew away while the Japs performed air shows over Rangoon, everything else? meh.

--- You thankfully kicked into my brain of the thought of what the programmers dealt with making this monster for 5 years, in the end it didn't satisfy all the people but it did satisfy most of the customers of the game which is why it's not dead in 2020.

--- Okay I will duely note that whenever a unfavourable outcome happens, it doesn't help that their was no active air war at all in the game, so a form of victory diesese has taken hold made worse by the Japanese having the most combat capable aircraft + highly trianed pilots available and then still die like it's the Zero/Oscar.
The only main point I disagree with the combat air system of WitP:AE is the Strato-sweep I don't care about the dive although CT pulled my thoughts in being annoyed by it. But still I do not like a air battle were one side purposely places a airframe type at its maximum service height to gain the upper hand and not suffer for it, if the plane type is flying 1k or 2k below the maximum service ceiling of a plane type then I won't care.

--- I've already commented on the half brain comment above.

--- Now onto the combat summaries, do I admit that they are not heavly detailed? Yes.
But the minimum of putting the red information boxes under said combat reports are enough for me since I get most of the information I need.
Unlike many other AAR's, CT's is one of the rare few to give me the full raw combat details of what's going on.
I will mention that it does get bothersome reading 4 planes bombing this over and over and over again but it gets interesting to read the combat reports during naval attacks or when SCTF meet each other and knowing who sunk USS Essex, (which was IJN Musahi btw).
I've used to this reading style and I don't care if it sucks or not, I've read through it all and made it this far, the most unessary parts of it was the bombing of China Campagin, the daily Combat reports of the bombing near Calcutta is starting to get redundant but it provides a insight on how good or bad the air coordination of the IJAAF or IJNAF is.

--- Well getting called 'form elitists' is misrepresentation I think, but then again you are the all bearing force of knowelege that WitP:AE has so it's not untrue to call you a elitist or something in that makes you sound powerful.
The fact I'm making this post shows that you have the power to force people to respond.
You mentioned that posting raw combat data without being deeply analysed is misrepresention.

Well I guess I've done working on the comment I was going to post something different but this required attention.



Also it seems like no one is backing down on the current conflict going on in this thread, despite my plea for calm.

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--- I can say I've been hooked onto the CT thoughts, the only main point I've been connected two was the mysterious uber 3 B-29 that just flew away while the Japs performed air shows over Rangoon, everything else? meh.

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--- Okay I will duely note that whenever a unfavourable outcome happens, it doesn't help that their was no active air war at all in the game, so a form of victory diesese has taken hold made worse by the Japanese having the most combat capable aircraft + highly trianed pilots available and then still die like it's the Zero/Oscar.
The only main point I disagree with the combat air system of WitP:AE is the Strato-sweep I don't care about the dive although CT pulled my thoughts in being annoyed by it. But still I do not like a air battle were one side purposely places a airframe type at its maximum service height to gain the upper hand and not suffer for it, if the plane type is flying 1k or 2k below the maximum service ceiling of a plane type then I won't care.

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There is a good reason why I post every combat report in detail. Might be more fun to read an essay with abstractions but these abstractions aren't in the code and neither Google search boy nor the one that at least plays the game have yet to realize this. They just keep abstracting things trying to find a rare happening in real life that could happen but pretty much always happens in the game. With 37k hits there must be some interest and it seems to have started before the trolls started posting their text walls.

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Let them post their essays, especially Google search boy is good in doing so. Never started a game yet but he got stuck in TheElf's arse a decade ago when parts of the former air team were doing mods trying their best to enhance what was released as the so called air routines. But that goes only that far... Have a thread about the game, he has an oppinion, tanks, here he comes, Covid, let's go, cat pooh, he will do an essay for you.

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And always remember, I'm the evil here, over all the years most Nay sayers left, only the Yay sayers remained and keep applauding to stuff they haven't even tried yet. But I have yet to hear a reason why there were Nay sayers in the air team. And then I'm sure there weren't!

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

solid defense so far ...

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ORIGINAL: szmike

That's a nice one, I wonder what was prep level of Allied units. And they units didn't unload in single turn, not fully.