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Refuelling a sub stranded at sea - 11/13/2020 11:12:05 AM   
porpoisehead


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Hi folks,

I done did a doo-doo. I have a sub that is out of fuel four hexes from a major port. I was loading an oiler to go save her, and was rather dismayed when I saw "Meet then Refuel" grayed out in the routing options.

I began planning a sub-to-sub rescue, thinking I could use the "Refuel TF at Sea" option by combining a second sub into the Patrol TF, but I decided to consult the oracular wisdom of the forum and discovered a thread that concludes refuelling subs at sea is impossible. (Link not included because I'm too new and the forum won't let me post links!)

Said thread, however, is ten years old, and I'm loath to consign this boat to an ignominious scuttling. Is there any way to refuel this stranded sub? I am using the latest unofficial public beta patch (1126b if I'm not mistaken).

If she's doomed, please raise a glass of sake with me before I consign her to her fate. (If anyone has a better suggestion than scuttling, please let me know, but I figure it's better reduce the VPs my opponent will likely eventually get by finding this dead duck.)

As a final point of discussion, I'm pretty sure this only occurred because I sprinted a handful of subs at a juicy target and failed to take into account the fuel impact. Some subs (this one included) still had home ports in Japan; I think she would have survived if I'd already adjusted it to a more local port, but by the time I'd found her, she'd travelled a fair distance back to Hiroshima or wherever. I also neglected to load a couple turns in Tracker (still learning the nuances of... well, everything to do with this game) so I didn't get the warning there until it was too late. Nonetheless, it bears asking: my mode of operation for almost all my subs is Patrol Zones, Remain on Station. From what I've seen, TFs commanded in this way will automatically return to their home ports when they lack sufficient fuel or when they need to rearm (and according 6.2.9 in the manual, it seems that this is the case, as it should be triggered to turn home when low on fuel and not accompanied by a replenishment TF). But it would be great to get confirmation now before I lend a hand to the dishonourable Allies by sinking yet another of my own boats.

Thanks all!
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RE: Refuelling a sub stranded at sea - 11/13/2020 11:16:11 AM   
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Short answer is no, subs cannot refuel at sea they can only refuel at a base with fuel.

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RE: Refuelling a sub stranded at sea - 11/13/2020 11:55:45 AM   
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It will very slowly make it back to port. Set the destination to the closest port, have it disband, have fuel ready for it, then you will have some system damage. The only thing is, sailing a sub is slow since the only thing that you can put a sail on is the raised periscope and it can't carry too much sail. No actual sails either so they will have to use sheets or loincloths!

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RE: Refuelling a sub stranded at sea - 11/13/2020 12:00:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

It will very slowly make it back to port. Set the destination to the closest port, have it disband, have fuel ready for it, then you will have some system damage. The only thing is, sailing a sub is slow since the only thing that you can put a sail on is the raised periscope and it can't carry too much sail. No actual sails either so they will have to use sheets or loincloths!


Oh, sick! Put the sail on boys, we're going home to [REDACTED]! Thanks RangerJoe!

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RE: Refuelling a sub stranded at sea - 11/13/2020 12:12:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porpoisehead

quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

It will very slowly make it back to port. Set the destination to the closest port, have it disband, have fuel ready for it, then you will have some system damage. The only thing is, sailing a sub is slow since the only thing that you can put a sail on is the raised periscope and it can't carry too much sail. No actual sails either so they will have to use sheets or loincloths!


Oh, sick! Put the sail on boys, we're going home to [REDACTED]! Thanks RangerJoe!


You are welcome!

There as an instance in the US Navy where an officer used to them to act as sails to get a ship out of a harbor Let me try to find it . . .

Joe

Richard Harrison Jackson

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Jackson graduated from the Academy in 1887 and was immediately sent to sea as a passed cadet, first aboard the protected cruiser Boston, then aboard the wooden-hulled screw steamer Trenton.[2] In those days, Academy graduates were required to complete two years of satisfactory sea duty before being awarded an ensign's commission. However, due to an 1882 statute limiting the number of available naval commissions, there were not enough vacancies in the service to retain all of the Academy's graduates. Jackson's poor grades placed him near the bottom of his graduating class, so he was to be cashiered from the Navy upon completing his sea duty.[3]

While awaiting his discharge, Jackson was serving aboard Trenton in Samoa when it was wrecked by the 1889 Apia cyclone on March 16, 1889. As the ship had been caught with no steam in its boilers, crewmen were ordered to form a line along the deck and spread their coats to form a makeshift sail.[4] Jackson led a group of sailors into the rigging where they spread their coats to increase the sail area, at significant hazard to their lives. This desperate measure successfully propelled Trenton out of danger long enough to help rescue the ship's company of the similarly wrecked Vandalia, before both crews were compelled to abandon ship.[5]

On returning to the Naval Academy, Jackson passed his final examinations but fell just below the grade cutoff and was second on the list of cadets denied a commission and honorably discharged.[6] In the hopes of becoming a naval surgeon, he and several of his Academy classmates studied medicine at the University of Virginia, where Jackson was a member of Beta Theta Pi and graduated fourth in the medical class of 1890.[7] Meanwhile, word of Jackson's heroics at Apia had reached Congress, which was spurred to act by testimonials from Trenton's commanding officer, Captain Norman von Heldreich Farquhar, and Secretary of the Navy Benjamin F. Tracy.[8]

On September 26, 1890, Congress passed special legislation authorizing the President to appoint one additional ensign in the United States Navy. The final statute noted that Jackson had behaved "with conspicuous gallantry by leading the men into the mizzen rigging to form a sail, when this position in the rigging was one of great danger, as the mast was liable to be carried away and fall overboard when the ship struck, and did thereby contribute largely to the success of the maneuver which the captain of the Trenton, in his official report to the admiral, says saved the lives of four hundred men from certain destruction."[3] Congressman Wheeler, Jackson's original Academy sponsor, declared more extravagantly, "England would have knighted this young man."[6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_H._Jackson

Hie niece as the only female Marine officer to remain on active duty after WWII, possibly because of the actions of her husband during the war:

Henry Talmage "Hammerin' Hank" Elrod MOH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_T._Elrod

Read about him.



< Message edited by RangerJoe -- 11/13/2020 12:35:08 PM >


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