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Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 1:15:44 PM

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HMS Queen Elizabeth is ready !

If I am not mistaken she is actually named - dedicated to the first of that title - Her Royal Majesty circa 1550 - 1600.

( as in not the current Monarch - the gracious and seemingly timeless Elizabeth II - Queen of Canada - among her many other less important British titles

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By most accounts an important and significant ship - very capable.

I salute my 'cousins' of the United Kingdom - and especially the Royal Navy.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/europe/uk-aircraft-carrier-strike-group-intl-hnk-mil/index.html

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 1:26:53 PM

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Actually, it is a Royal Navy tradition to christen the first capital ship commenced during a monarch's reign for that monarch.

The new QE is, in fact, the first capital ship christened by the RN since 1953.

The Invincible's could not be named as capital ships, after all the time spent telling Parliament they were aviation cruisers, not carriers.

The previous ship was King George V (named for George Frederick Ernest Albert; 3 June 1865 � 20 January 1936), did not follow that convention - it replaced a previous KG-V from 1911 that did, however.

Perhaps Warspite can weigh in here if needed.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 1:50:14 PM

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My thanks Ian

I think what is impressive is of course the announcement that she intends to sustain up coming operations in the South China Sea and or Pacific ! With a cadre of British Fighters / Helicopters / likely drones and lord know what ever other modern compliment of assets.

(this evidently included a US Marine compliment in testing)

This would make her ( and task group ) an important NATO ally and asset.

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I am unsure - does the French Navy still operate Charles De Gaul ? Is she capable of operations outside the Med and Atlantic ?

I think there is very reasonable doubt based upon the recent Syrian situation -that the Russians are not capable of sustaining carrier operations.

China has announced / proclaimed a 'few carriers' in testing and development but nothing is proven certainly.

India I believe announced a Carrier force intention - but again nothing proven in so far as I am aware.

This is a very significant capability launch that most Nations are incapable of.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 1:56:46 PM

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It is interesting that it had US Marines on board!

A ship well named for a WWII veteran!

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 2:20:01 PM

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I should say, for clarity, that it is official that the new CV is named for the Tudor Queen - and the ship carries the old BB's honours.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 2:31:12 PM

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I should say, for clarity, that it is official that the new CV is named for the Tudor Queen - and the ship carries the old BB's honours.

Yes - I suspect I am right - she is named for that earlier Monarch.

Not the current incumbent. Her August Majesty the Queen of Canada. **

(** Australians New Zealanders and of course Canadians have many divergent political views relative to the Monarchy and the legacy of the old Commonwealth. Notwithstanding that I personally do admire this gracious women as a leader for her integrity and representing the many qualities of her generation. None are perfect but she has been forthright and genuine these many years. Other opinions may differ)

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 2:32:37 PM

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Worth mentioning as well that our other new carrier POW is having some pretty serious flooding issues that won't be sorted till the spring.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 2:34:40 PM

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Worth mentioning as well that our other new carrier POW is having some pretty serious flooding issues that won't be sorted till the spring.

As long as it works out better better than her namesake's flooding turned out.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:03:40 PM

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Did they ever sort out having planes to fly from them?

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:10:36 PM

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Worth mentioning as well that our other new carrier POW is having some pretty serious flooding issues that won't be sorted till the spring.

Don't worry, if they cannot sort her out, Canada will buy it. We are a sucker for buying the clapped out, second rate military goods of other nations.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:28:27 PM

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quote:

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

I should say, for clarity, that it is official that the new CV is named for the Tudor Queen - and the ship carries the old BB's honours.

Yes - I suspect I am right - she is named for that earlier Monarch.

Not the current incumbent. Her August Majesty the Queen of Canada. **

(** Australians New Zealanders and of course Canadians have many divergent political views relative to the Monarchy and the legacy of the old Commonwealth. Notwithstanding that I personally do admire this gracious women as a leader for her integrity and representing the many qualities of her generation. None are perfect but she has been forthright and genuine these many years. Other opinions may differ)

warspite1

No idea what the general mood is in the former dominions and elsewhere within the Commonwealth where QEII is still head of state, but the Queen has probably never been held in such high regard in the UK. Simple fact is, as you allude to Macclan5, Queen Elizabeth II is genuine, honest, hardworking and with an unbreakable sense of duty to the countries for which she is head of state.

The is never a chance of the republicans - who even admits to that nowadays? - getting their way all the while QEII sits on the throne. What happens in future will, I suspect, depend entirely on who comes next and what they do. We live in a different world where Monarchy is seen by many as an anachronism - but so long as the monarchs do their duty and do the right thing, there is no real reason to change - certainly in the UK.

I suspect that poor Charles will have but a short reign (think Edward VII and Queen Victoria) and there is unlikely to be too much time for any anti-Royal sentiment to build up (if at all). But I have faith in William. Hopefully Harry will decide to stay across the pond forever, while his brother shows every indication he takes after his grandmother and will do what is required in the service of his country.

Comparing Queen Elizabeth to many heads of state around the globe, I know who I would rather have

Sorry I digress.....

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:33:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

I should say, for clarity, that it is official that the new CV is named for the Tudor Queen - and the ship carries the old BB's honours.

Yes - I suspect I am right - she is named for that earlier Monarch.

Not the current incumbent. Her August Majesty the Queen of Canada. **

(** Australians New Zealanders and of course Canadians have many divergent political views relative to the Monarchy and the legacy of the old Commonwealth. Notwithstanding that I personally do admire this gracious women as a leader for her integrity and representing the many qualities of her generation. None are perfect but she has been forthright and genuine these many years. Other opinions may differ)

warspite1

No idea what the general mood is in the former dominions and elsewhere within the Commonwealth where QEII is still head of state, but the Queen has probably never been held in such high regard in the UK. Simple fact is, as you allude to Macclan5, Queen Elizabeth II is genuine, honest, hardworking and with an unbreakable sense of duty to the countries for which she is head of state.

The is never a chance of the republicans - who even admits to that nowadays? - getting their way all the while QEII sits on the throne. What happens in future will, I suspect, depend entirely on who comes next and what they do. We live in a different world where Monarchy is seen by many as an anachronism - but so long as the monarchs do their duty and do the right thing, there is no real reason to change - certainly in the UK.

I suspect that poor Charles will have but a short reign (think Edward VII and Queen Victoria) and there is unlikely to be too much time for any anti-Royal sentiment to build up (if at all). But I have faith in William. Hopefully Harry will decide to stay across the pond forever, while his brother shows every indication he takes after his grandmother and will do what is required in the service of his country.

Comparing Queen Elizabeth to many heads of state around the globe, I know who I would rather have

Sorry I digress.....

So you want to keep inflicting Harry's wife on the Americans?

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:38:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Macclan5

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

I should say, for clarity, that it is official that the new CV is named for the Tudor Queen - and the ship carries the old BB's honours.

Yes - I suspect I am right - she is named for that earlier Monarch.

Not the current incumbent. Her August Majesty the Queen of Canada. **

(** Australians New Zealanders and of course Canadians have many divergent political views relative to the Monarchy and the legacy of the old Commonwealth. Notwithstanding that I personally do admire this gracious women as a leader for her integrity and representing the many qualities of her generation. None are perfect but she has been forthright and genuine these many years. Other opinions may differ)

warspite1

No idea what the general mood is in the former dominions and elsewhere within the Commonwealth where QEII is still head of state, but the Queen has probably never been held in such high regard in the UK. Simple fact is, as you allude to Macclan5, Queen Elizabeth II is genuine, honest, hardworking and with an unbreakable sense of duty to the countries for which she is head of state.

The is never a chance of the republicans - who even admits to that nowadays? - getting their way all the while QEII sits on the throne. What happens in future will, I suspect, depend entirely on who comes next and what they do. We live in a different world where Monarchy is seen by many as an anachronism - but so long as the monarchs do their duty and do the right thing, there is no real reason to change - certainly in the UK.

I suspect that poor Charles will have but a short reign (think Edward VII and Queen Victoria) and there is unlikely to be too much time for any anti-Royal sentiment to build up (if at all). But I have faith in William. Hopefully Harry will decide to stay across the pond forever, while his brother shows every indication he takes after his grandmother and will do what is required in the service of his country.

Comparing Queen Elizabeth to many heads of state around the globe, I know who I would rather have

Sorry I digress.....

So you want to keep inflicting Harry's wife on the Americans?

warspite1

Well frankly, yes - rather you than us

I mean in fairness she is American after all.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:42:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Macclan5

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ORIGINAL: Ian R

I should say, for clarity, that it is official that the new CV is named for the Tudor Queen - and the ship carries the old BB's honours.

Yes - I suspect I am right - she is named for that earlier Monarch.

Not the current incumbent. Her August Majesty the Queen of Canada. **

(** Australians New Zealanders and of course Canadians have many divergent political views relative to the Monarchy and the legacy of the old Commonwealth. Notwithstanding that I personally do admire this gracious women as a leader for her integrity and representing the many qualities of her generation. None are perfect but she has been forthright and genuine these many years. Other opinions may differ)

warspite1

No idea what the general mood is in the former dominions and elsewhere within the Commonwealth where QEII is still head of state, but the Queen has probably never been held in such high regard in the UK. Simple fact is, as you allude to Macclan5, Queen Elizabeth II is genuine, honest, hardworking and with an unbreakable sense of duty to the countries for which she is head of state.

The is never a chance of the republicans - who even admits to that nowadays? - getting their way all the while QEII sits on the throne. What happens in future will, I suspect, depend entirely on who comes next and what they do. We live in a different world where Monarchy is seen by many as an anachronism - but so long as the monarchs do their duty and do the right thing, there is no real reason to change - certainly in the UK.

I suspect that poor Charles will have but a short reign (think Edward VII and Queen Victoria) and there is unlikely to be too much time for any anti-Royal sentiment to build up (if at all). But I have faith in William. Hopefully Harry will decide to stay across the pond forever, while his brother shows every indication he takes after his grandmother and will do what is required in the service of his country.

Comparing Queen Elizabeth to many heads of state around the globe, I know who I would rather have

Sorry I digress.....

So you want to keep inflicting Harry's wife on the Americans?

I agree.

And I was under the impression they were tired of the attention of the media�s. Why do I still hear them so much ?

And I can attest the Queen is loved even outside of the former dominions.

About the Charles de Gaulle, they had some problems last Spring with Covid. They had to endure a quarantine in the ship, too many infected.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:42:37 PM

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I think here in the Dominions there would be less anti-Royal sentiment if the way things worked were less connected to the personage of the Monarch. I don't as much dislike the person as what is done in their name. It chaps me that here in Canada we don't really enjoy true private property rights. The Crown owns virtually everything: Find oil under your land? Belongs to the Crown. Paid off your mortgage? Too bad, miss tax payments and you lose it. Then the "royalties" on just about everything.

Who Owns the Land in Canada?

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The land of Canada is solely owned by Queen Elizabeth II who is also the head of state. Only 9.7% of the total land is privately owned while the rest is Crown Land. The land is administered on behalf of the Crown by various agencies or departments of the government of Canada. The Canadian Act has no provision for any Canadian to own physical land in Canada. Canadians can only own an interest in an estate.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:46:03 PM

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I think here in the Dominions there would be less anti-Royal sentiment if the way things worked were less connected to the personage of the Monarch. I don't as much dislike the person as what is done in their name. It chaps me that here in Canada we don't really enjoy true private property rights. The Crown owns virtually everything: Find oil under your land? Belongs to the Crown. Paid off your mortgage? Too bad, miss tax payments and you lose it. Then the "royalties" on just about everything.

Who Owns the Land in Canada?

Excerpt:

The land of Canada is solely owned by Queen Elizabeth II who is also the head of state. Only 9.7% of the total land is privately owned while the rest is Crown Land. The land is administered on behalf of the Crown by various agencies or departments of the government of Canada. The Canadian Act has no provision for any Canadian to own physical land in Canada. Canadians can only own an interest in an estate.

In the US you can also lose land due to missed tax payments. Probably many other countries/nations as well.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:50:53 PM

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P.S. Why do Americans [primarily] so often employ "the" in front of the name of a British/Commonwealth vessel? She [the ship] is properly referred to as "HMS Queen Elizabeth" not "the HMS Queen Elizabeth."

The media are collectively butchering the language. When someone of significance dies, we fly the flag at half staff, not half mast. It is generally a flag staff on land, a flag mast on a vessel or naval shore installation, I believe. I once had it out with a newsman about this. In the end the lame argument boiled down to "We are the media and we do as we please with the language."

These days I would not cross the street to urinate on a presstitute if they were on fire.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 3:53:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Randy Stead

I think here in the Dominions there would be less anti-Royal sentiment if the way things worked were less connected to the personage of the Monarch. I don't as much dislike the person as what is done in their name. It chaps me that here in Canada we don't really enjoy true private property rights. The Crown owns virtually everything: Find oil under your land? Belongs to the Crown. Paid off your mortgage? Too bad, miss tax payments and you lose it. Then the "royalties" on just about everything.

Who Owns the Land in Canada?

Excerpt:

The land of Canada is solely owned by Queen Elizabeth II who is also the head of state. Only 9.7% of the total land is privately owned while the rest is Crown Land. The land is administered on behalf of the Crown by various agencies or departments of the government of Canada. The Canadian Act has no provision for any Canadian to own physical land in Canada. Canadians can only own an interest in an estate.

warspite1

Eh? So there is no such thing as freehold land? Is all land (apart from the 9.7%) leasehold with the Crown as the freeholder? So if I have a house in Canada, how long is my lease likely to be?

I own my freehold, but if I don't pay my taxes I'm pretty sure the government can bankrupt me and take my land.

Am I missing something here?

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 4:25:15 PM

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I don't think you're missing anything, Warspite. I guess it's the same everywhere. There's no owning anything, it seems, that some gov't somewhere can't grab. Eminent domain, taxes, there's no getting away from it.

I think the 9.7% that is "privately owned" is farms, residences, industrial and commercial property. The rest is Crown land. But I think the gist of it is that even what you "own" you don't own, you "lease" it by paying taxes, but the Queen still owns it.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 6:07:53 PM

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Actually, never mind.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 6:13:52 PM

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Actually, never mind.

I�m disregarding your ��never mind��.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 6:20:28 PM

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I trump that with an "I ignore your disregarding your never mind." And someone will snub my ignoring of...

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 6:23:48 PM

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Back to HMS QE... I've read a lot of negative press about the F-35 and its problems. If it turns out to be a flop, is there another fighter in the West that could replace it for carrier duty? I'm not all that informed about modern equipment; what's the best navy fighter afloat these days, the Super Hornet? Could it even operate from QE?

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 6:26:53 PM

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Back to HMS QE... I've read a lot of negative press about the F-35 and its problems. If it turns out to be a flop, is there another fighter in the West that could replace it for carrier duty? I'm not all that informed about modern equipment; what's the best navy fighter afloat these days, the Super Hornet? Could it even operate from QE?

No arresting gear on HMS QE. This limits to SVTOL, so... the Harrier ?

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 6:31:39 PM

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I thought the Harrier is done.

Yeah, F-35 is having lots of problems. Even 400B dollars in.

They did use it in trials on the CV. Don't know what the outcome was.

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 7:12:17 PM

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Back to HMS QE... I've read a lot of negative press about the F-35 and its problems. If it turns out to be a flop, is there another fighter in the West that could replace it for carrier duty? I'm not all that informed about modern equipment; what's the best navy fighter afloat these days, the Super Hornet? Could it even operate from QE?

No arresting gear on HMS QE. This limits to SVTOL, so... the Harrier ?

That is news to me - I did not know that - thanks for the informative post (s)

I assumed the F35 squadron ( and the Marine F35 squadron from tests ) that is 'deployed' upon her are the carrier-based F-35 (CV/CATOBAR) type variant ???

In fairness it does mention the US Marines airframes at F35B. I assume the F35B variant must = (STOVL) ??

Not really that well informed on the F35 or the QE at that level of detail ??

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 7:16:27 PM

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So, in other words, no "hookers" on the Queen Elizabeth at all?

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 7:59:04 PM

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Back to HMS QE... I've read a lot of negative press about the F-35 and its problems. If it turns out to be a flop, is there another fighter in the West that could replace it for carrier duty? I'm not all that informed about modern equipment; what's the best navy fighter afloat these days, the Super Hornet? Could it even operate from QE?

No arresting gear on HMS QE. This limits to SVTOL, so... the Harrier ?

That is news to me - I did not know that - thanks for the informative post (s)

I assumed the F35 squadron ( and the Marine F35 squadron from tests ) that is 'deployed' upon her are the carrier-based F-35 (CV/CATOBAR) type variant ???

In fairness it does mention the US Marines airframes at F35B. I assume the F35B variant must = (STOVL) ??

Not really that well informed on the F35 or the QE at that level of detail ??

It is the F-35B indeed. There were talks of building PoW with catapult and an arresting barrier, and using F-35C, but the idea was dropped.

Given her size, I�m not all that impressed by her complement. Standard ��peacetime�� will only see 12-15 fighters and as many choppers (at best), and ��wartime�� operations will be conducted by 24 F-35B and a few helicopters, despite a tonnage multiplied by three compared to the previous Invincible-class. And a theoretical capability for 36 F-35B.

During the Falklands War, HMS Invincible fielded 12 Harriers and 10 Sea Kings, while�old HMS Herm�s, at slightly greater tonnage, fielded 24 Harriers and 20-22 Sea Kings...

And with the rate of delivery of the Lightnings, it�ll be some time before they can field that many...

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 8:08:38 PM

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USMC, Spanish and Italian Navies still operate the Harrier II, though they might not be willing to part with them if the F-35 does not work out....

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RE: Semi OT : All Hail the Royal Navy - 1/5/2021 10:53:04 PM

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