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Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/9/2021 5:27:36 AM

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Just another heart in need of rescue
Waiting on love's sweet charity
An' I'm gonna hold on for the rest of my days
'Cause I know what it means to walk along the lonely street of dreams

And here I go again on my own
Goin' down the only road I've ever known
Like a drifter I was born to walk alone
An' I've made up my mind, I ain't wasting no more time
But here I go again, here I go again,
Here I go again, here I go

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/9/2021 5:30:34 AM

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OPilot will be again be my opponent, as we switch sides. The game setup is the same as before:

Latest AE Official Patch ver. 1.01.24 25 December 2014
Latest Beta Patch ver 1126b 09/17/2016 (game version will show
1.8.11.26b Sep 17 2016)
Big Babes_B_AEScen28_V15.zip
Babes and Extended Map Art Hexes 05_12_14.zip
Babes Extended Map Data with SL 05_12_14.zip

These are the game settings requested:
Fog of War - ON
Advanced Weather - ON
Allied Damage Control - ON
PDU - OFF
Historical First Turn - OFF
Dec 7 Surprise - ON
Reliable USN Torps - OFF
Realistic R&D - OFF
No Unit Withdrawals - OFF
Reinforcements - +/- 60 days
Combat reports - ON
Auto Sub Ops - OFF
TF Move Radius - OFF
Plane Move Radius - OFF
Set all facilities to expand - OFF
Auto Upgrade ships and air - OFF
Accept Air and Ground replacements - OFF
Turn cycle - 1

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/9/2021 5:43:37 AM

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I've completed the first turn as the Japanese.

My tentative over-all strategy for this game is different from any of my previous games as the Japanese. I plan to be very aggressive early on in the South Pacific, taking whatever islands I can and going as far as I can, while still be supported. I want to push further than is expected, further than is really defensible. I want to draw the US carriers into a battle with KB as early in the war as possible. A big push in the South Pacific should do that. I don't plan on heavily defending these gains. I'll defend minimally on the ground while defending more strongly with air and naval assets. I want the US carriers. I'll take whatever else I can destroy. And delaying a build-up in Australia and action in the Solomons would be nice.

Elsewhere, not too much unusual. I'm landing in the Philippines, initially at Aparri, Laong and Vigan. I'll land somewhere near Legaspi in a bit. For Malaya, I'm doing the normal landings while also landing at Kuantan on day one. It's not a day 1 Mersing landing, but it's more than will be expected. Hopefully OPilot thinks that it is within the realm of possibility. I think it is.

Other than the South Pacific, my pace will be measured. There's no rush elsewhere. If things work out just right, the most adventurous I will get is a Ceylon landing, with the objective to be a roadblock to Burma. That may or may not happen.

The big plan is that I'm going for China. When I'm ready to stop expanding, after taking the usual Malaya, Burma, Sumatra, Java etc etc, I'm sending divisions back into China. I know the pain of the Allies in China. I don't know if I will conquer China, or just completely isolate it from Burma and keep it isolated. We'll see.

All of this is tentative, of course. The enemy might have something to say about things.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/10/2021 1:13:46 AM

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7 Dec 41

Midget subs tried to get into Pearl Harbor. Two succeeded. SSX Ha-22 hit Tennessee with a torpedo, and SSX Ha-18 hit California with a torpedo. That's the best I've ever seen from the tiny subs.

I-157 sank xAKL Dai Tung east of Kota Bharu. That ship starts in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Destroyer Ward left Pearl and headed east. I-3 hit it with a torpedo, sinking the ship that should have been going after the midget subs.

KB moved to a point 6 hexes northwest of Pearl Harbor. This is not a drill.

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 44 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 66
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 135

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 12 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 16 damaged
D3A1 Val: 6 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-1 Dauntless: 27 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 11 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 17 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 95 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 2 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 16 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 10 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 7 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 23 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 damaged
O-47A: 3 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 10 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
C-33: 2 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AE Pyro, Torpedo hits 1
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1
AM Grebe, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
BB California, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 3, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1
AG Aries, Bomb hits 1
DM Tracy, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1
DM Sicard, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT-27, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Case, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1
AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Cassin, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Repair Shipyard hits 3
Airbase hits 18
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 51
Port hits 21
Port fuel hits 2

Magazine explodes on BB Pennsylvania

All Kates went after the ships in port. Some Vals switched to hitting the airfield to make up for the Kates. The flak was rough. 25 or so bombers and highly trained crews lost. Just one battleship sunk outright, with Pennsylvania exploding. Lots of battleship damage, and more than the average of other ships hit.

Japanese bombers hit Iba, Clark Field and Manila. Some enemy planes destroyed but mostly damaged planes. Iba's field is moderately damaged, but Clark and Manila are barely damaged. Aparri, Laong and Vigan are invaded.

Kates from a CVL hit Davao's port, badly damaging AVD William B. Preston and xAKL Montanes. Davao is invaded.

Sallys and Lilys hit 4 cargo ships in Hong Kong's port and damaged some Walrus aircraft on the ground. Pakhoi and Kwangchowan were invaded. I decided to take out the Allied bases on the Chinese coast right away. Pakhoi is defended by more than planned for.

Alor Star and Georgetown bombed. Buffalos got a few Sallys over Georgetown. Kota Bharu bombed. Kota Bharu and Kuantan are invaded. Allied bombers went after shipping at Kuantan. Zeros on very long LRCAP provided some protection. Bombers got through but mostly targeted the battleships. Kongo was hit by 2 bombs dropped by Swordfish. Haruna was hit by a bomb. None of the bombs did much damage at all.

Miri was invaded.

I went into the war planning on a 2 day attack of Pearl Harbor. I'm going ahead with that plan. Flak losses were high on day 1, and that was with surprise. Flak will be very rough on day 2. Flak is more effective in DBB than in a stock game. It may not be worth all the pilots that I'm going to lose, but I want to sink more battleships. I figure, if it were 6 months from now, and I knew that the enemy battleships were in some port location, and KB could attack it, I would. I'm already right there, so they are going in again.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 5:21:18 AM

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The game may need a restart.

I'm getting the old Mukden bug, where the required garrison is showing 2000 instead of 200. This is a bug in version 14 of DBB which was fixed in version 15.

OPilot and I just finished a game and we're using the same directories for this game. Everything was fine last game, but OPilot was Japanese last game, and I am Japanese this game. It appears that I have the old version of DBB, and it's just showing up now because I'm the Japanese player. My last 2 games were as the Americans, with whatever version of DBB that I have now. I didn't know that my version was old, and apparently it didn't matter.

I'm trying to verify that I indeed am running the old version. Early indications are it is the old version. I'll make sure that his version is 15. I'm fairly sure it has to be, considering that he didn't have this problem in our last game and we are using the same files.

I've read that it may be possible to edit the Mukden garrison in the scenario file and have it update an existing game. But I know that there are other fixes in version 15. I just don't know what they are, and if it's much of a problem to not worry about them.

I suspect that the right answer is to install version 15 and restart the game. I'm discussing this with OPilot and we should come to a conclusion tomorrow. I don't want to do that first turn over again, and I'm sure he doesn't either, but that may be best for the long run.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 6:04:26 AM

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Garrison requirement can be changed with the editor on a started game, i can help you if needed. I dont see a need for you both to re-do entire turn 1 again

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 6:22:31 AM

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I am the Japanese player. I'm assuming that I edit the 028 file, the DBB scenario file. Does my opponent need to edit his also?

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 6:25:21 AM

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I did a test, copying over the whole game install to a new directory so I could test. I reinstalled the DBB scenario 28 files and started a new game, so that I could check Mukden and see if it looked ok. It did not. Still showed 2000 garrison. I had reinstalled version 15 of DBB-B, downloading BigBabes_B_AEScen028_v15.zip. Didn't seem to help. I don't understand something.

Editing would be easier, assuming that other fixes in version 15 aren't as important as Mukden.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 6:42:02 AM

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I downloaded version 15 of DBB scenario 028, which was file BigBabes_B_AEScen028_v15.zip at: DBB Scenario 28 version 15

I started up a new game and it still had Mukden's 2000 garrison error. I checked the database, and it is still wrong. Is the latest version 15 download still wrong?

In my test install, I then edited scenario 028 and changed Mukden's Japanese garrison requirement to 200 instead of 2000. I started a new game and it worked.

Now I need to test moving over the saved game in progress to the testing install and see if it will update the Mukden garrison in the existing game.

[EDIT: I'm assuming that only the above file is needed for the fix, not the map files]

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 6:52:28 AM

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After you do the changes to scenario , when you are in the turn press P and at the bottom game should ask you if it should integrate changes to the scenario , click on that and it will update your existing game. Just send the updated files to your opponent and you should be set , otherwise it might lead to some extra Allied replay desync (anectodal but seems to be the case)

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 6:55:13 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evoken

After you do the changes to scenario , when you are in the turn press P and at the bottom game should ask you if it should integrate changes to the scenario , click on that and it will update your existing game. Just send the updated files to your opponent and you should be set , otherwise it might lead to some extra Allied replay desync (anectodal but seems to be the case)

I tested it. When I loaded my turn, which I saved right after watching the replay, but before plotting anything, it asked me about updating. I said yes and it said it was successful. I went into the turn and it indeed changed the garrison to 200.

So you are recommending that I send my edited scenario 028 file to my opponent?

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 6:57:45 AM

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I would like someone to look at the latest download for version 15 and see if it fixes the Mukden problem. It didn't for me.

DBB 028 version 15

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 7:08:20 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: apbarog

quote:

ORIGINAL: Evoken

After you do the changes to scenario , when you are in the turn press P and at the bottom game should ask you if it should integrate changes to the scenario , click on that and it will update your existing game. Just send the updated files to your opponent and you should be set , otherwise it might lead to some extra Allied replay desync (anectodal but seems to be the case)

I tested it. When I loaded my turn, which I saved right after watching the replay, but before plotting anything, it asked me about updating. I said yes and it said it was successful. I went into the turn and it indeed changed the garrison to 200.

So you are recommending that I send my edited scenario 028 file to my opponent?

Yes you should , matching files are kinda important

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 7:11:40 AM

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quote:

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I would like someone to look at the latest download for version 15 and see if it fixes the Mukden problem. It didn't for me.

DBB 028 version 15

Same for me Mukden has 2k Garrison requirement

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 7:12:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Evoken

quote:

ORIGINAL: apbarog

quote:

ORIGINAL: Evoken

After you do the changes to scenario , when you are in the turn press P and at the bottom game should ask you if it should integrate changes to the scenario , click on that and it will update your existing game. Just send the updated files to your opponent and you should be set , otherwise it might lead to some extra Allied replay desync (anectodal but seems to be the case)

I tested it. When I loaded my turn, which I saved right after watching the replay, but before plotting anything, it asked me about updating. I said yes and it said it was successful. I went into the turn and it indeed changed the garrison to 200.

So you are recommending that I send my edited scenario 028 file to my opponent?

Yes you should , matching files are kinda important

Will do. I will also post on the tech support about getting someone to check out the download file and see if it is still truly version 15. I asked my opponent to send me his zip file of his version 15 download. We know that his version worked for our last game. It could prove that the current files on the download server aren't what they are supposed to be.

Thank you for your help.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/13/2021 5:08:25 PM

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OPilot said that he had the Mukden issue in our last game. He moved enough Manchurian units to Mukden to cover the high garrison requirement. We could do the database fix, but we've decided just to continue on. I will move units there also.

The replay for December 8th has been watched. Pearl Harbor was struck on day 2. Results? Same bat time. Same bat channel.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/14/2021 3:03:40 AM

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8 Dec 41

Troops continue to land at the invasion spots. Disappointingly, enemy minesweepers fleeing Manila immediately find and sweep mines at Lubang, near Bataan. None of the fleeing ships hit mines. They've left Manila, but nothing is spotted.

Japanese ships at Kuantan are most exposed, being closest to Singapore and furthest from a friendly base. 4 Japanese cruisers bombarded Kuantan to good effect. Multiple enemy strikes went after Japanese ships at Kuantan, mostly the battleships. Just 4 Zeros were on very LRCAP, and the Zeros did well until they had to leave. Swordfish, Vildebeests and Hudsons attacked, using torpedoes and bombs. Some strikes had Buffalo escorts. All torpedoes and most bombs missed. One bomb hit Haruna but left just a scratch. Very fortunate. A battleship could easily have been hit by torpedoes. All troops are unloaded and so is enough supply, so the ships will now leave.

Lilys bombed Victoria Point, hitting some Blens on the ground there. Victoria Point took moderate airfield damage. I want to discourage its use as a transfer point to Rangoon.

On Luzon, Vigan is more exposed than Laoag, so I moved the supply convoy from Vigan to Laoag to continue unloading. 3 Japanese cruisers and 2 destroyers remained at Vigan, and fought 6 PT boats during the daytime. One PT was sunk. The PT boats did engage a cargo TF, escorted by a single destroyer, at Vigan, but both sides chose to withdraw.

45 Zeros swept Clark, finding a few P-26As and about 18 P-40s. The Zeros did well. I rested my bombers today, leaving it to the Zeros to reduce the enemy CAP. Other Zeros swept Manila, finding about 36 P-40s, and the Zeros did well here also.

Kates from a CVL sunk xAP Elcano at Cebu. A couple of fleeing cargo ships are spotted east of the Leyte area. But none of the miscellaneous US fighting ships are spotted in the Philippines, and none of the ships that were in Manila are seen.

At Pearl Harbor, 18 Zeros swept and found a non-surprised force of 34 P-36As, 65 P-40Bs and 4 F4F-3s. The Zeros did well but a few were lost. More enemy lost. I should have sent more sweepers. Time for a Day 2 strike of Pearl.

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 118 NM, estimated altitude 21,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 39 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 72
B5N2 Kate x 107
D3A1 Val x 116

Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 21
P-40B Warhawk x 54
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 5 destroyed, 7 damaged
D3A1 Val: 8 destroyed, 21 damaged
D3A1 Val: 4 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB California, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
AV Curtiss, Bomb hits 1
DMS Zane, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 10, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1
AV Wright, Bomb hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
DM Gamble, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Repair Shipyard hits 7
Port hits 9
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

No torpedoes dropped. Some big bombs dropped by the Kates. Lots of smaller Val bombs did little to the battleships. Stoked the fires on the battleships but didn't sink anything outright. Losses weren't outrageous. It was acceptable. KB will now head towards Wake to cover a landing there, then on to Truk.

Kuantan is captured, as is Kota Bharu, Miri, Vigan, Aparri and Laoag. On the Chinese coast, Kwangchowan is captured. Pakhoi will be attacked today. It should have been attacked already, but apparently the message didn't get through.

Air losses for the day were:

28 P-40E
22 P-40B
15 P-36A
12 Vildebeest II
5 Blen
4 P-26A
4 Swordfish
4 Buffalo
3 Hudson

for the cost of:

25 Val (9 flak)
12 Kate
7 Zero

I started work on the Japanese economy and production. Need to draw supply to a number of cities in Japan to make the aircraft research changes I want. This is a MUCH more difficult job with PDU-OFF. Anticipating how many airframes are needed at any given time in the future is nearly impossible, with units having their own set of upgrade plans, or none at all. I'll be reacting more to needs as I go. There's no switching everything to Tojos and Helens and streamlining production. Need to keep many less effective aircraft in production. It's a more interesting air war with PDU-OFF, but quite a challenge for the Japanese to plan for.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/14/2021 3:07:25 AM

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8 Dec 41 - Malaya

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/14/2021 4:00:34 AM

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Looking forward to keeping tabs on your progress here apbarog as Large Slow Target and I also reversed roles and just started last month or so.

Do you have any noteworthy house rules?

Also, curious why you chose to land at Kuantan - slow progress inland from there. Good 2nd PH strike - where's KB going after Truk?

In any case Good Luck to the Red Team!

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/14/2021 4:00:44 AM

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/14/2021 4:11:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: IdahoNYer

Looking forward to keeping tabs on your progress here apbarog as Large Slow Target and I also reversed roles and just started last month or so.

Do you have any noteworthy house rules?

Also, curious why you chose to land at Kuantan - slow progress inland from there. Good 2nd PH strike - where's KB going after Truk?

In any case Good Luck to the Red Team!

Nothing noteworthy with the house rules. We don't use 4E bombers below 10k. Most of the other usual stuff.

Kuantan is slow, compared to Mersing, but faster than just coming down from the north. I want to at least apply pressure inland as quickly as possible. I also plan a para drop at Kuala Lumpur very soon, if it remains empty. I didn't do a Day 2 Mersing landing as I'm not using any carriers near Singapore. But honestly, I could have risked that. Not much difference between Mersing and Kuantan as far as what can hit you from Singapore.

I'm not doing anything crazy in the Philippines or Malaya. I plan on being very aggressive in the South Pacific early. I want to push the in the south as much as possible and maybe force an early carrier battle.

Good luck to you also.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/16/2021 2:19:00 AM

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9 Dec 41

US subs become very active near the Luzon landing sites, and towards Formosa. No surprise. Japanese ships do next to nothing attacking the subs, hardly even finding them. A US sub hit an xAK near Laoag but it was a dud. Feels good to be on the other side of the dud torpedo situation! Skipjack did hit and sink xAKL Raizan Maru near Samah. Pickerel hit xAK Okiyu Maru near Calayan.

I-122 hit and sank AG Canopus near Merak. Canopus was loaded with fuel. I-122 dropped mines at Merak, but enemy minesweepers were already patrolling there. They swept every mine during the day. There wasn't a mine to be seen on the map later. I didn't know the mines had been dropped until reading the combat report. I was too predictable with the drop at Merak.

Nells attacked 2 AMc's in the Malacca straits west of Port Swettenham. Sub mines had been dropped there and were found quickly by the enemy. The Nells dropped bombs and all missed, in the morning and again in the afternoon. No success at all with my early mining. My overall mine strategy is to use them very sparingly from now on, saving them for the late-war defense. I think they are more effective used in places that the enemy has to go to. As we saw in the last war, combined with fortress units, mines are effective. OPilot knows me pretty well now. He knows that I like to use mines. So I'm not going to use them much for quite awhile. The threat is already known to him. He is careful and will take countermeasures.

Kates from a CVL sank xAKL Dai Lee east of Batan Island. It was fleeing east, taking the Dewey escape route.

Nells that had been moved to Saipan bombed AM Penguin west of Guam. One bomb hit heavily damaged the ship.

Japanese bombed Chinese bases and troops here and there. That will all go fine until the Flying Tigers show up and catch a raid. Just a matter of time.

Davao was captured. Japanese troops are ones originally prepped for Legaspi. I went for Davao instead. The enemy retreated southwest. OPilot probably wishes they had retreated northeast into the mountains. Japanese forces were enough to defeat the 101st PA Infantry Regiment, but aren't strong enough to push out of Davao. Reinforcements from Babeldaob will arrive with a week.

Japanese forces that had landed at Pakhoi attacked and almost took the base. They'll continue the attack.

Ground combat at Pakhoi (72,58)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 3578 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 132

Defending force 5086 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 140

Japanese adjusted assault: 25

Allied adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: disruption(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
187 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Assaulting units:
15th Naval Guard Unit
16th Naval Guard Unit
8th JNAF Coy

Defending units:
64th Chinese Corps

KB was spotted north of Johnston Island. It is moving to the Wake area.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/17/2021 6:20:21 AM

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Lots of action.

I-123 sank xAKL Lepus just outside of Balikpapan. I-123 laid mines there in the shallows, but was spotted, so there's no surprise with this minefield either. There are lots of ships at Balikpapan, including warships, so the mines are an issue for the Allies.

3 Japanese patrol boats engaged 3 xAKLs east of Leyte. All cargo ships were left burning.

4 Japanese destroyers rushed towards Tarakan. On the way in, they sank 2 xAKLs. Arriving at Tarakan, they found 3 small HDMLs and sank them easily. 3 Dutch bombers tried to hit the destroyers but missed.

Cruiser Nachi and destroyer Oyashio moved to the straits between Borneo and the Celebes. They found valuable shipping fleeing from Manila. They sank AS Holland and AV Langley, then sank 2 AMs, xAP President Madison (a big ship), xAP Don Esteban, and left 2 xAK burning heavily.

Outside of Laoag, S-37 put 2 torpedoes into xAK Ryuun Maru, gravely damaging it. And it is loaded with troops. The ship may not make it the one hex to Laoag to unload.

9 Zeros swept Georgetown, finding 18 Buffalos and shooting down a bunch. The first Japanese fighter ace, PO1 K. Yoshimora, was made over Georgetown. 39 Zeros then swept Singapore finding 27 Buffalos and shooting down a bunch.

9 Nells again went after the 2 AMc's sweeping mines near Port Swettenham. One bomb hit and AMc Klias was sunk.

Bettys from Miri flew to Balikpapan and tried to hit CL Marblehead. 4 B-339Ds were on CAP and bombers were shot down. 3 Bettys missed Marblehead with bombs.

9 Bettys from Babeldaob hit 2 xAKLs north of the island, setting both on fire. 5 Bettys, I think from Davao, hit xAK Si Kiang near Tawi Tawi. There are a few enemy ships in this area reported to be dead in the water. Out of fuel. Not a good situation for them, with enemy destroyers at nearby Tarakan and the straits to Balikpapan blocked. Just for today. But the enemy doesn't know that.

Kates from the CVL torpedoed 3 xAKLs near Tawi Tawi. Too bad they went after small ships. More Bettys arrived near Tawi Tawi. xAP Candesa was sunk by a bomb, and AS Canopus was hit by a bomb.

Another attack from Bettys from Babeldaob. 2 more xAKLs to the north hit by bombs and heavily damaged and burning.

Then the surprise. Enemy carriers near Kwajalein. Just 3 hexes to the southeast. They either sprinted to the position or were hidden in bad weather yesterday. There's good search coverage here, but it failed today.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kwajalein Island at 132,115

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 14

Allied aircraft
F2A-3 Buffalo x 21
SBD-2 Dauntless x 54
SBD-3 Dauntless x 18
TBD-1 Devastator x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
A5M4 Claude: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 9 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBD-1 Devastator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Tenryu, Bomb hits 1, on fire (SYS 12/FLOT 22-11/ENG 6-0/FIRE 0)
CL Yubari, Bomb hits 1, on fire (SYS 33/FLOT 20-15/FLOT 2-0/FIRE 0)
AMC Kongo Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage (SYS 67/FLOT 35-12/FLOT 11-0/FIRE 54)
DD Yayoi
CL Tatsuta, Bomb hits 1, on fire (SYS 34/FLOT 18-9/ENG 9-1/FIRE 2)
xAK Aratama Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage (SYS 88/FLOT 38-21/ENG 7-4/FIRE 71)
AMC Kinryu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage (SYS 80/fLOT 35-18/ENG 13-2/FIRE 86)
DD Hayate
DD Kisaragi
DD Mutsuki
xAKL Katsura Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage (SYS 28/FLOT 57-40/ENG 1-0/FIRE 22)
xAKL Toyotsu Maru, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk

Japanese ground losses:
519 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

The Claudes were useless, shooting down nothing and losing one of their own.

The ships are all loaded with troops for the Wake invasion. They start the war that way, at Kwajalein. I thought that OPilot might send the US carriers to Wake to disrupt a predictable and unprotected invasion, so I kept the transports back at Kwajalein. And he hit Kwajalein. I should have sent the invasion shipping to Truk, when I sent the excess valuable shipping that was at Kwajalein. Bravo to my opponent for a nice strike. 3 of the big ships will most certainly sink immediately, drowning many more men. I split some of the ships into another TF, to move to Roi Namur to unload, trying to save a fragment of each unit. The enemy could send cruisers into Kwajalein to finish off the shipping. He could also stay within range for another strike. Or he could move away at normal speed, or sprint away at full speed. If he sprints, he escapes. If he doesn't, then there may be revenge.

2 Betty units are moved to Roi Namur. Torpedoes are available from a HQ on Kwajalein. KB is too far to the east to chase the enemy down, being about 2 days from Kwajalein at full speed. KB is too far to transfer any bombers to the islands, but the Zeros can carry drop tanks. 3 of the carrier's Zero squadrons are flown to Roi Namur. One will provide ranged CAP over Roi Namur and Kwajalein. The other 2 Zero squadrons will be on escort duty for the Bettys, set up for range 14.

It's a long way to a refueling point for the US carriers. If they sprinted to Kwajalein, they may not have the fuel to sprint away. I'd really like to get the Bettys and Zeros to the US carriers. It could turn a very bad day into a very good 2 days. We'll see tomorrow.

Guam was invaded. The first Japanese attack at Hong Kong went off at 1 to 1 odds and reduced the forts to 2. Fairly even casualties, around 500 each. They'll attack again. Pakhoi was captured, wrecking a Chinese corps. 2064 Chinese casualties and 72 Japanese.

The enemy pushed hard right away at Ichang and attacked. 2 weak Japanese divisions reinforced, in movement mode, just in time. It was bloody but the Japanese held. More reinforcements are on the way, but more Chinese are still coming out of the woods to the north.

The enemy lost 18 Buffalos. The Japanese lost 8 Bettys, 3 Zeros and a Claude.

3 things to learn from Kwajalein. First, I guessed wrong on holding back the Wake invasion force. If they had gone to Wake, the US carriers would have found nothing at Kwajalein. (Of course, the Wake landing would be taking place, and the invasion shipping would be out there unprotected.) Second, I had Nells on Roi Namur, but I had them on training. They could have attacked the US carriers, albeit without fighter escorts. Third, the air HQ on Kwajalein was not set up with torpedoes for the Nells that could have attacked.

I assumed that the multiple units set up searching the Marshalls would spot the carriers. That was wrong. That assumption made me complacent about leaving the shipping at Kwajalein.

Now let's see if the enemy is still within range today.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/17/2021 12:36:50 PM

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I like the agression i am seeing from Opilot , althought i think you might be able to punish him. You just need 1 torpedo hit

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/17/2021 2:59:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Evoken

I like the agression i am seeing from Opilot , althought i think you might be able to punish him. You just need 1 torpedo hit

I applaud his aggressiveness. OPilot is more experienced on the Allied side than the Japanese. I think he's going to give me a tough match. And he knows my tendencies now. Not to mention, I document most of them.

Now let's see if his raid turns out to be brilliant or foolish. All in the results.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/18/2021 5:34:42 AM

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11 Dec 41

US destroyers ran through the newly laid mines near Balikpapan. They cleared a few but didn't hit any. Lots of US sub activity between Luzon and Formosa. Predictable, but little can be done. Sub chasers are out there but ineffective.

Tulagi is invaded by the 51st Naval Guard. It is undefended.

I-155 sank small xAP Ipoh near Palembang. I-26 missed tanker Pat Doheny with 2 torpedoes southwest of Los Angeles. I-155 then engaged xAKL Pahang at the same location, hitting it with 7 shells and probably sinking the ship. I-155 then engaged xAKL Circe, fired one round, and broke off from the engagement due to low gun ammo.

S-40 hit xAK Ryuxin Maru between Luzon and Formosa. It is loaded with men and it will sink.

I-165 spotted xAP Stagen and destroyer Van Nes near Pontianak. Don't know if troops are coming or going here.

30 Zeros swept Singapore but found no CAP. Sallys bombed Singapore's airfield, hitting some Blens, Buffalos and Hudsons. Oscars swept Rangoon and found Buffaloes. Sallys bombed Rangoon's airfield but were engaged by 8 Buffalos. Some Sallys lost.

Bettys from Davao hit AO Pecos and xAKL Palawan with bombs near Tawi Tawi. Lilys bombed Manila's airfield. No CAP.

Kates from a CVL sank xAKL Mauban at Manado. Kates from another CVL east of Luzon sank xAKL Cetus and xAKL Magallanes. Claudes from the same task force strafed xAKL Luzon, and hit it with 8 bombs. Hey, Claudes are good for something! 8 bomb hits with no bombing training. Tiny bombs but a tiny ship. It will sink.

Near Nanchang, a Chinese corps is decimated in a 2 to 1 attack. Hong Kong is attacked again. Another 1 to 1 attack, and forts are lowered to 1. More Allied losses than Japanese. Another attack is ordered.

Guam is captured.

Part of the Yokosuka 1st SNLF is dropped on an empty Port Dickson. This cuts the western rail line on Malaya, potentially keeping some Allied units from making it back to Singapore. They can maneuver around Port Dickson, but it would be on a poor road. I won't drop the rest of the paras today, figuring on some enemy fighters patrolling there looking for such a thing. The tired Tinas move to Laoag on Luzon to start ferrying an air HQ (with torpedoes) to Davao to support the Bettys there.

And nothing seen around Kwajalein. It's most likely that the US carriers sprinted out of the area. With long range search at Kwajalein, Jaluit and another base in the eastern Marshalls, nothing was seen. Could be hidden by weather, but no, they cashed in their winnings and ran. Truk is put on alert. It's highly unlikely that the US carriers would sprint towards Truk, but if they had enough fuel to do so and get to Australia, they might. Some of the KB Zeros are moved to Truk. Bombers are there also. I won't get burned again. That would be some aggressive move though. Kudos to OPilot for a successful raid on Kwajalein. I'll have to find out after the war if he sprinted into range or was covered by weather.

KB will continue to move at normal speed towards Kwajalein, and then continue on to Truk. Truk is still a size 6 port. An AKE is moving from Japan to Truk to support. KB needs airframes and pilots. Truk has plenty of fuel. I moved the big AO teleporting task force to Truk on 7 Dec, and they unloaded there.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/19/2021 5:32:17 PM

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The gaggle of enemy ships that had fled Manila and were spotted at Tawi Tawi, some out of fuel, were at Tarakan. Bettys from Davao hit AM Lark there. Enemy cruisers and destroyers that were in the straits near Balikpapan weren't seen.

Brunei was invaded.

3 Japanese patrol boats found 4 xAKs well to the east of Leyte, and eastbound. xAK Tantalus and xAK Ethel Edwards were hit multiple times and set on fire. Nearby, xAK Capillo and xAK Yu Sang were hit by bombs from Bettys from Saipan.

Oscars from Bangkok swept Rangoon, and the Flying Tigers finally showed up in H81s. Planes were lost on both sides. Sallys and more Lilys bombed and the H81s didn't get to them.

Lilys went to Manila unescorted, and got massacred by 17 P-40Es. Then 40 Zeros went to Manila and massacred the same Warhawks.

Sallys bombed Singapore's airfield, hitting some planes. No CAP.

Major enemy bombing effort to hit the Japanese paras dropped at Port Dickson. Clear terrain, and the paras were almost wiped out. Just 4 disrupted para squads left, and 1 disrupted support. But as long as something is there, the rail line is blocked. With the enemy air effort, there was probably enemy fighters overhead, so I didn't try to drop more paras in. We'll sweep the hex for enemy planes and see. The Tinas that are needed for more paras to come in were moved to Laoag to ferry an air HQ to Davao. That work is ongoing.

Atimonan on Luzon is invaded. It is undefended.

A Chinese corps is routed near Kiukiang. Another is forced to retreat near Chengting. Another Japanese attack at Hong Kong doesn't do as well this time. 1095 Japanese to 400 Allied casualties. Still 1 to 1 and forts are reduced to 0. The many Japanese artillery units will bombard for a bit while the infantry recovers.

The big Japanese push in China is currently towards Sian from the south, and an advance from the southeast. I'm not using the trail to the east of Sian.

No sign of US carriers that hit Kwajalein 2 days ago. Since I just invaded Tulagi, they could be in that area any time. Fast Japanese ships sprinted east of Rabaul to return to Truk. Japanese destroyers were spotted near Kavieng. This may look like another inbound invasion, but it is not. A fast CM took this route also. The slow transports would be doomed with a predictable route back to Truk. I sent them southeast, towards Luganville, then east, in the hope of going east far enough, then turning north to Kwajalein. We'll see if the indirect route saves the few ships.

Total air losses were 13 P-40Es and 4 H81s for the cost of 12 Lilys and 5 Oscars.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/19/2021 5:35:06 PM

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Lilys went to Manila unescorted, and got massacred by 17 P-40Es. Then 40 Zeros went to Manila and massacred the same Warhawks.

Check that box on your Japanase to do list.

Send those Lillys to ASW or training or China.

Still to come the surprise B17 raid on a port sinking tons of harbor shipping.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/19/2021 5:53:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: apbarog

12 Dec 41

Lilys went to Manila unescorted, and got massacred by 17 P-40Es. Then 40 Zeros went to Manila and massacred the same Warhawks.

Check that box on your Japanase to do list. Send those Lillys to ASW or training or China.

Still to come the surprise B17 raid on a port sinking tons of harbor shipping.

I do have ASW training taking place. This is another PDU-OFF game, so right now, I'm using everything I can. I want to prevent fort building at Clark and Manila. Successful at Clark so far, not at Manila.

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RE: Deja Vu All Over Again - apbarog(J) vs OPilot(A) - 1/20/2021 10:24:36 PM

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Mines are a terrible thing to waste. I agree with you he may have used flank speed once or twice and may be short fuel so you might e able to catch him if you sprint as well knowing your are sprinting towards fuel in the Marshalls. I move my Wake amphibious TF to Eniwetok to gage what the Allied player is going to do with his carriers, to get them out of the way of an carrier strike in the Marshalls. You don't have to move them all the way to Truk to keep them out of harm's way.

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