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Are you able to split up air groups? - 1/15/2021 2:49:06 AM   
Novaliz


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Status: offline 		I am trying to learn managing my aircrafts and I wonder if you are able to split up or create air groups?
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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 1/15/2021 6:37:42 AM   
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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 2/16/2021 5:04:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually - there is a way to split air groups into squadrons - it has to be done in the game editor. Unless you code it would be quite painful to do, but you could manually modify via the csv files.

I wrote a Python script that takes the air group csv from the editor and processes it to turn US Air groups into squadrons. The reason is that I noted a game quirk where it penalizes groups much more than squadrons when calculating morale. Run durable radial engine P-47 in groups on the same mission as Typhoons in squadrons and you can see this effect as the P-47s in groups suffer morale loss faster. I did not do the German groups because I was afraid of grounding them due to a lack of aircraft caused by 'minimum aircraft to fly' restrictions.

BTW: there are many missing naval a/c load outs - another matter - they need to be fixed in the generic data editor.

If you want the Python script, I can post it on github or similar.

Gen. Dad.

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/19/2021 12:38:04 AM   
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This sounds intriguing, but I wouldn't know a Python script from a garden snake. Is this something a layman can do?

I've created some custom scenarios that veer away from the generic dta, so it's not a matter of using a scenario file you send me.

Thanks,

Cary

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/19/2021 2:39:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mmm, the AI seems to be able to do it. That is, come up with a number of aircraft for its allocation that don't seem to be based on the sum of one or more available air groups.

If you look at the thread at https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4982591 you can see that the AI has auto allocated 229 aircraft from Tactical Air Force to a AS mission. The air groups that I can see in Tactical Air Force don't have that exact number (229):




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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/19/2021 2:42:03 AM   
cfulbright

 

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Status: offline 		It appears to have allocated groups containing 455 AC before the start of the air phase. Where do you see the 229 AC figure?

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/19/2021 2:49:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		229 AC auto allocation is shown in the image before the 455 AC (before I deleted the other Tactical Airforce missions...).

I have now added that screen shot above...

Peter

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/19/2021 5:11:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		What's more, if the AI can do this for your own auto allocation, then presumably it is doing it as the enemy.

Is that fair?

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/19/2021 8:11:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		are you mixing up the numbers shown in the AD screen with the numbers in the post-combat report windows and screens?

Sorry, just not sure what is being reported.

For the latter, as per the manual, first an airgroup is broken into sub-formations for the actual mission and then a number of rolls (mostly leadership based) may affect that planned allocation (so some planes don't take part and so on).

In WITW for the allocation you can't split up an airgroup (you can in WiTE2)

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 1:38:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cfulbright

Gen. Dad,

This sounds intriguing, but I wouldn't know a Python script from a garden snake. Is this something a layman can do?

I've created some custom scenarios that veer away from the generic dta, so it's not a matter of using a scenario file you send me.

Thanks,

Cary


Cary (and all),

You probably need to know a little programming to run the squadron maker script. So here is what I have done. I have set up what is hopefully a public GitHub file sharing page where scenario files can be uploaded. The page is at: https://github.com/Vettejeep/WitW. If I set up the page successfully and you can upload a scenario file, then I can run the script on it and repost the file. Please give it a try and see if it works by uploading a scenario file. I have two scripts, one to make squadrons of US air groups and one to add artillery size to US and French battalions. The scripts should work even if generic data is modified as I have some mods in there as well.

If we get lucky, this can work.

Gen. Dad.

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 2:09:58 AM   
cfulbright

 

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Status: offline 		I tried to upload a file and got the following error:

Uploads are disabled.
File uploads require push access to this repository.

Cary

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 3:35:35 AM   
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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 4:14:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cfulbright

I tried to upload a file and got the following error:

Uploads are disabled.
File uploads require push access to this repository.

Cary


Hmmm, did not work as I hoped when I checked a box that seemed to allow you to write to Github. So some choices:
1. Join Github and I can invite you as a collaborator.
2. Upload the file(s) to a file share of your choice where I can download, then I can upload to Github & tell you how to download. Or, maybe I can use the service that you prefer to send the file back.

Gen Dad.


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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 4:41:30 AM   
cfulbright

 

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Status: offline 		I was pleasantly surprised to see I had a Github account already - cfulbright. Please invite me as a collaborator.

Cary

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 5:05:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: cfulbright

I was pleasantly surprised to see I had a Github account already - cfulbright. Please invite me as a collaborator.

Cary


Done, lets see if it worked.

Gen Dad.

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 6:37:45 AM   
cfulbright

 

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I require "push access" to upload a file.

Cary

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 6:40:01 AM   
cfulbright

 

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Plan B. I uploaded my scenario file to the Scenario folder here, in a zip file. You should be able to find it here: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4985197&mpage=1&key=�.

Cary

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RE: Are you able to split up air groups? - 3/22/2021 2:19:02 PM   
cfulbright

 

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I was able to upload the file to GitHub. Please let me know how it goes, and thanks for this!

Cary

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