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ORIGINAL: Pocus

What do you guys think of tanks in the game, more specifically their power and how they alter the game balance, compared to Artillery?
As they strong enough, or would they if Artillery was not the game changer? Or are they innately too weak, even if Artillery was rebalanced?

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Very strong enough. I am facing my first one against Old Crow in 1917 and I have nothing to stop it...

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ORIGINAL: Bavre

While tanks here have quite good stats the situation in the game itself kind of nerves them. They are vulnerable to arty and pretty much everyone maxes out arty asap, since it is just so all around powerful. Tanks usually debut during the lategame on the western front with little room to manoeuvre and all the cannons in the world already on the field, ready to turn them into swiss cheese.

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ORIGINAL: stockwellpete

I would say they are OK but artillery is way overpowered at the moment (too many shells basically). So to adjust artillery would be to make tanks stronger without changing them at all.

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

I'm wondering whether it might not be just better to cap artillery experience at 1, as there is a limit to how good the gunners can get, while leaving industry capable of being able to ramp up production if it is invested in.

I also worry that the tempo might change too much if Gas/Shell Production research is allowed less chits in it, as once everyone starts getting higher Trench tech, there is an element of sitting and waiting for tech to counter the Trenches, which of course there should be, but too much waiting is less fun.

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ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

I'm wondering whether it might not be just better to cap artillery experience at 1, as there is a limit to how good the gunners can get, while leaving industry capable of being able to ramp up production if it is invested in.

I also worry that the tempo might change too much if Gas/Shell Production research is allowed less chits in it, as once everyone starts getting higher Trench tech, there is an element of sitting and waiting for tech to counter the Trenches, which of course there should be, but too much waiting is less fun.

You know...that would probably do the trick actually...and the tempo might be changed adversely now that you mentioned that. I personally don't mind the shells as they are..and I at least don't waste them when I got them. The problem all along as been the uber lethality of the artillery its self..especially when its in the 12 to 13 pt range with that experience that's easy to gain.

One thing for sure, the artillery research nerf by taking one chit away seems to have helped. Tanaka and I waited for months till the latest patch came on line to do a match, and while artillery played an important part for both sides...it didn't dominate the game or the outcome...like they have done in a lot of matches I have been in, in the past.

I know this is a thread about tanks, but it segued to artillery..and what they can do to those new beasts of mayhem, especially in conjunction with ground attack aircraft and elite infantry. :)

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ORIGINAL: Espejo

Are there any plans to still update the game. I would like to see as well a change in power of the artillery. It could be as easy to reduce max number of shells

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Er I would not say artillery did not dominate haha. I would agree with a shell change. Someone help me out here though. Why is artillery in this game so different than in WIE/WAW?

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ORIGINAL: Pocus
*: and if Hubert can de-hardcode how many units are provided per tech level also, can be useful for scenarios

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ORIGINAL: Espejo

Are there any plans to still update the game. I would like to see as well a change in power of the artillery. It could be as easy to reduce max number of shells

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ORIGINAL: Hubert Cater

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ORIGINAL: Pocus
*: and if Hubert can de-hardcode how many units are provided per tech level also, can be useful for scenarios

Yes, for the per unit upgrade levels this is not an option, but for doctrinal research categories like Armored Warfare, you can set a build limit increase there via the 'Automatic Increments' screen in the Editor.

Maybe this helps?

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ORIGINAL: The Land

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka

Er I would not say artillery did not dominate haha. I would agree with a shell change. Someone help me out here though. Why is artillery in this game so different than in WIE/WAW?

Do you mean... what is different, or why is it different?

2nd World War artillery have max 3 shells but can do 2 de-entrenchment per shell. Entrenchment levels are much lower, most open hexes have max entrenchment 2. Artillery is also less important compared to air units in ww2 as air units can also do de-entrenchment (especially when teched up).

All of this is the difference between a game based on static and semi-open warfare with occasional maneuver, and a game based on mobile warfare with the occasional siege.

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ORIGINAL: Tanaka


I'd also like to know historically were there more whole corps wipe outs in WW1 over WW2? Because that is how the WW1 game works. You shell a unit 5-10 times, wipe it out, next turn rinse and repeat. Because history does not reflect that:

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Oddly, MaxEntrench does not progress for infantry corps with the Trench Warfare doctrine?