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Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 1/24/2021 10:45:37 AM   
EarlyDoors


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Status: offline 		So i started a single player game with me as Allies on 1.9

In April 1940, Axis had captured Netherlands and Belgium. Italy prepared for War. Next turn I saw the attached message. Italy Mobilizes in Response to Allied Invasion Preparations with a Dutch flag background.

The following turn DEI jumps to 99% mobilization in favour of Japan

There has been no diplomacy

I didn't even have many ships within range of Syracuse (maybe 5?)

looks wrong to me




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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 1/24/2021 11:06:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my single game 1.09 as Axis, DEI has joined Japan, its july 41. No diplomacy.

The message EarlyDoors refers too has been shown serveral times. Weird.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 1/24/2021 3:57:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've just corrected the scripts as they were incorrectly pointing to mobilize the Dutch East Indies rather than Italy.

I can only apologise as I do not know why they were doing so.

However, the conditions for the scripts to fire (see below) require there to either be 2 Allied Amphibious units within 20 hexes of Syracuse Port, or 7 or more Allied naval units (of all types including all types of Transport) within 12 hexes of Syracuse Port. I cannot see how the script could have fired unless one or other of the conditions was met?

; 2 Allied Amphibious units within 20 hexes of Syracuse Port
#CONDITION_POSITION= 104,60 [20,20] [2,2] [2] [0] <47,48>
; 7 or more Allied naval units within 12 hexes of Syracuse Port
#CONDITION_POSITION= 104,60 [12,12] [7,7] [2] [0]

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 1/24/2021 4:59:38 PM   
aquavita

 

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Status: offline 		I dont now but i belive that there were allied naval units present in the mediterranean. Played with hidden units.

Question: Will there be posted a patch with the corrected scripts?

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 1/28/2021 7:33:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hell, leave it. I'd rather have the Dutch East Indies declare war than Italy because some gamey Allied player harasses Italy to make it declare war to avoid penalties.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 1/28/2021 7:51:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BillRunacre

I've just corrected the scripts as they were incorrectly pointing to mobilize the Dutch East Indies rather than Italy.

I can only apologise as I do not know why they were doing so.

However, the conditions for the scripts to fire (see below) require there to either be 2 Allied Amphibious units within 20 hexes of Syracuse Port, or 7 or more Allied naval units (of all types including all types of Transport) within 12 hexes of Syracuse Port. I cannot see how the script could have fired unless one or other of the conditions was met?

; 2 Allied Amphibious units within 20 hexes of Syracuse Port
#CONDITION_POSITION= 104,60 [20,20] [2,2] [2] [0] <47,48>
; 7 or more Allied naval units within 12 hexes of Syracuse Port
#CONDITION_POSITION= 104,60 [12,12] [7,7] [2] [0]

So this will be corrected in the next patch then?

C

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 1/29/2021 11:00:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the script mobilizing the DEI has been corrected and hopefully it will be released in an update very soon.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/3/2021 2:24:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		It seems the script that should trigger Italy early is triggering DEI and it doesn't matter if Italy has declared war or not. I just had it happen. So if Allied units come within so many hexes of Italian ports, it triggers DEI to declare war, even if Italy is already at war.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/5/2021 2:53:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: havoc1371

It seems the script that should trigger Italy early is triggering DEI and it doesn't matter if Italy has declared war or not. I just had it happen. So if Allied units come within so many hexes of Italian ports, it triggers DEI to declare war, even if Italy is already at war.


Yup, I had been at war with Italy for half a year when the Italy mobilization popups started . The problem is more than just pointing at DEI instead of Italy for DOW.

< Message edited by USGrant1962 -- 2/5/2021 2:55:13 PM >

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/5/2021 7:27:36 PM   
BillRunacre

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: USGrant1962

quote:

ORIGINAL: havoc1371

It seems the script that should trigger Italy early is triggering DEI and it doesn't matter if Italy has declared war or not. I just had it happen. So if Allied units come within so many hexes of Italian ports, it triggers DEI to declare war, even if Italy is already at war.


Yup, I had been at war with Italy for half a year when the Italy mobilization popups started . The problem is more than just pointing at DEI instead of Italy for DOW.


The message mentions Italy, but mobilizes the Dutch East Indies instead.

The message is actually correct to mention Italy, and it was just the country it mobilized that needed to be changed.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/6/2021 1:32:33 PM   
USGrant1962

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BillRunacre


quote:

ORIGINAL: USGrant1962

quote:

ORIGINAL: havoc1371

It seems the script that should trigger Italy early is triggering DEI and it doesn't matter if Italy has declared war or not. I just had it happen. So if Allied units come within so many hexes of Italian ports, it triggers DEI to declare war, even if Italy is already at war.


Yup, I had been at war with Italy for half a year when the Italy mobilization popups started . The problem is more than just pointing at DEI instead of Italy for DOW.


The message mentions Italy, but mobilizes the Dutch East Indies instead.

The message is actually correct to mention Italy, and it was just the country it mobilized that needed to be changed.


What havoc and I are saying is there appears to be two issues - pointing at the wrong country is one. But it is firing after Italy is already at war as well. Might be the same glitch

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/6/2021 7:40:39 PM   
BillRunacre

 

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Status: offline 		It's the same glitch, because it is mobilizing the DEI due to the triggers that should have been mobilizing Italy.

The text is correct, it's just the country mobilized that is wrong, and in its corrected format it only fires when Italy isn't yet in the war.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/6/2021 8:08:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to add that the script fires if there are either 2 Allied Amphibious units within 20 hexes of Syracuse Port or 7 or more Allied naval units (including any type of transport) within 12 hexes of Syracuse Port.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/12/2021 4:43:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		This happened to me too- today. Might have ruined a game but we'll see. As allied player, I deliberately kept the Allied naval away from Italy until it was at war- then they moved in to blockade N Africa but DEI came in the war the following turn.
Please fix soon.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/12/2021 8:00:16 PM   
EarlyDoors


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Status: offline 		I'm keeping the Uk & French Navy out of the central mediterranean until after Japanese invade the DEI - that should stop it triggering ( i hope)

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/12/2021 8:44:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the event should be left as it is. It's proving far more effective as a deterrent to triggering early Italian entry and defeat by the Allies than the intended event. :D

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/13/2021 10:34:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Apologies for the delay everyone, good news is the patch is now ready on our end and will be submitted for processing next week.

Ideally it will be released shortly thereafter if all goes well.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/17/2021 1:10:38 PM   
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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/17/2021 1:48:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Boudi,

Unfortunately no, you'll have to start a new game with the new patch for this particular fix... but the good news is it is in the processing queue so hopefully not too long now before it is released.

Hubert

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/17/2021 1:50:41 PM   
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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/18/2021 3:39:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		In my current games, we just agreed to leave the DEI unused by the Axis unless attacked by the Allies.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/19/2021 1:32:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		A slight tangent on this subject, but the trigger range of 12 hexes for regular naval units feels a bit too far and risks inadvertent triggering by inexpert Allied players. In addition to Malta and Tunis (unavoidable), 12 hexes incorporates Corsica, Algiers and French and Egyptian coastal waters. 11 hexes would at least not extend into French and Egyptian coastal waters, and 10 hexes would probably still serve the purpose and not include the French ports at Corsica and Algiers.

20 hexes for Amphibious (basically the whole Med) makes sense.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/19/2021 7:14:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the meantime, this issue is very easily moddable by the player.
In the Scripts folder, in the Mobilization #2 script, search for these activation parameters regarding Italy’s Axis mobilisation:

; 2 Allied Amphibious units within 20 hexes of Syracuse Port
#CONDITION_POSITION= 104,60 [20,20] [2,2] [2] [0] <47,48>
; 7 or more Allied naval units within 12 hexes of Syracuse Port
#CONDITION_POSITION= 104,60 [12,12] [7,7] [2] [0]

In a few lines above these parameters, change the #Country ID= 33 which incorrectly activates Dutch East Indies mobilisation,
to #Country ID= 59, which is Italy’s number code. Seemingly, this should set things aright.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/24/2021 12:10:31 PM   
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In my current games, we just agreed to leave the DEI unused by the Axis unless attacked by the Allies.


I offered to go one further which was to sail the naval units away and leave the land & air in place. Unfortunately it makes the DEI an easy target for the Allies.

On balance I think this glitch hurts the Axis more. There is no material difference in income. The oil embargo still fires. The upside is that you don't need to allocate anything to take it but equally you don't get the plunder - which as I recall is quite tasty. The worst thing is that if the Allies take Bataan the DEI surrenders. And the Japanese lose the lot.

If I were to play again with the glitch I would allow the Axis to have full use of the DEI forces and accept that you are more vulnerable to an Allied counter attack.

Hopefully the fix will be out soon so we don't have to make these compromised choices.

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/25/2021 4:16:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Curious why Italy war entry is not an issue in WIE but is in WAW. Is it the difference in map size?

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RE: Italy mobiliization and the DEI - 2/27/2021 5:45:59 PM   
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